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Scientific Evidence of a Global Flood

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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:02 PM
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According to Bible Chronology the Great Flood happened on October 31st/November 1st 2370 B.C. ( The 17th Day of the second month, or Cheshvan 17.) This date corresponds to ancient and modern day celebrations such as Halloween. This date is more recent than many conclude.

Is such a recent date plausible? If there was such an event, and before it the earth was temperate to the extremities rendering even the poles habitable, such a catastrophic climate change would render our current scientific dating systems as inaccurate.* Why? because the rate of decay would be greater under a warmer global climate. Our dating methods are derived based on current decay from our climate as we know it. There are debates of why many Mammoths have been found frozen in Ice in Siberia etc., as if they were frozen very suddenly. This article counters the flood idea by addressing Mastodons found well preserved on the top of peat bogs in North America:

answersingenesis.org...

It is interesting to note, the article says of one Mastodon, "seeds in the material indicated an early autumn death", which would place the time of death near to the date above. Animals in more temperate areas would not be frozen suddenly as those in the extremities, but would be preserved in warmer mud and bogs.

One of the most interesting geological examples I have seen that could shed light on the flood is a small cave near Georgetown, Texas. There were 3 natural entrances in the past, but they were plugged up by a mass catastrophic mud flow. When you tour this cave, they call these former cave entrances "Bone Sinks" because in the fossilized mud have been found Mastodon bones, Saber Tooth Tiger bones, and other animals. Whatever caused this phenomena, happened suddenly, trapping animals, and closing the cave until it was discovered by construction workers building Interstate 35.

innerspacecavern.com...

There are many links about the Mammoth stories, here is one:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

* The bible indicates that there was a separate water layer that was part of the atmosphere, similar to say the Ozone. Genesis 1:7 "God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it." This layer logically created a greenhouse effect that made even the extremities of the earth habitable. It probably could be said it also blocked UV rays to a greater degree etc. The collapse of this layer resulted in the flood, and our current climate situation.
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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

In my experience its the absolute void of evidence for a singular, world wide flood event. This isn't a disputable scenario its a basic fact of geology that there were and have been many large scale flood events but never one singular worldwide flood during the course of human history or prehistory.


It should be mentioned that even if a global flood HAD occurred there are STILL scientific (and engineering) impossibilities that make the story untrue. Like the account of two of every animal or the fact that Noah's Ark would be too big to float from the VERY dimensions listed in the bible. If Noah built the ark in the bible, his fate would have been the same as every other species on the planet if a global flood occurred.


Oh absolutely. The implausibility of Noah's ark from an engineering stand point, the inability to feed the animals and the distribution of animals worldwide alone is enough to discredit the entire story. Add in the fact that the biblical narrative is simply plagiarized from earlier Mesopotamian Mythos and its really a no brainer.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: peter vlar

How can you be sure the biblical account was plagiarized from the Mesopotamians? Can you be certain the Epic of Gilgamesh wasn't plagiarized from other writings? Your assuming Sumerian is the oldest written language, because it has been found etched in stone, but Noah and his family were nomadic, and may have written on papyrus which would not be found today.

Even the Sumerian writings acknowledge a language change as mentioned in the bible:

From “The Spell of Nudimmud”:

In those days...the people entrusted [to him] could address Enlil, verily, in but a single tongue. In those days...did Enki...estrange the tongues in their mouths as many as were put there. The tongues of men which were one



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: TheChrome
a reply to: peter vlar
How can you be sure the biblical account was plagiarized from the Mesopotamians?


Because they(The Sumerians) had written it down 100 years before the date you yourself are giving the flood event


Can you be certain the Epic of Gilgamesh wasn't plagiarized from other writings?
considering that the oldest written account of the flood myth is a full 900 years AFTER the earliest known examples of Sumerian I think its a pretty safe bet. Otherwise they would have written it down even earlier. It's possible it was derived from older oral traditions but still, they had a written language for nearly a millennium with no mention of it that anyone knows of.


Your assuming Sumerian is the oldest written language, because it has been found etched in stone, but Noah and his family were nomadic, and may have written on papyrus which would not be found today.

I'm not assuming. It is the oldest written language discovered on Earth. In science we don't deal in maybe's and what if's, we deal in facts. Unless you know of or find an older written language, you're out of luck. Additionally, the Egyptians have papyrus scrolls that are older than the date YOU ascribe to the flood event and we've found, translated and read them so it's a pretty huge leap to say that there might've been something older that was written and lost.


Even the Sumerian writings acknowledge a language change as mentioned in the bible:

From “The Spell of Nudimmud”:

In those days...the people entrusted [to him] could address Enlil, verily, in but a single tongue. In those days...did Enki...estrange the tongues in their mouths as many as were put there. The tongues of men which were one


All that means is that Sumerian was one spoken language at that time. To them that was their entire world. It was several hundred years before additional cognates came into play.

Now lets address some of your earlier claims... the Mammoth found in Siberia with food still in its mouth... it was buried in a landslide and preserved long before the ice covered it up. The Ice essentially freeze dried and mummified the remains.



* The bible indicates that there was a separate water layer that was part of the atmosphere, similar to say the Ozone. Genesis 1:7 "God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it." This layer logically created a greenhouse effect that made even the extremities of the earth habitable. It probably could be said it also blocked UV rays to a greater degree etc. The collapse of this layer resulted in the flood, and our current climate situation.


Noah's Flood is alleged to have covered the mountains of the earth to a depth of 15 cubits (about 8m). To have covered Mt. Everest it would have required a depth of water of about 9km above sea level. If the flood was only required to cover the mountains in Urartu (Ararat), where Noah's boat is said to have settled, about 5km of water would be needed.

The "vapor canopy hypothesis" states that before the flood, the water existed in the atmosphere as water vapor. The flood occurred when this vapor condensed and fell as rain, flooding the earth. The flood subsided later, various explanations being given for where all that water went.

First, let us look at atmospheric pressure. For the earth's atmosphere, the pressure is almost exactly hydrostatic, since it is held to the earth by gravity and velocities are too low to significantly change the pressure. In plain language this means that the air pressure at any point is equal to the weight of the air in a unit area column above that point. At sea level, air pressure in US engineering units is about 14.5 pounds/sq inch because a column of air one inch square extending to the top of the atmosphere weighs (Guess what!?) 14.5 pounds. On top of Mt. Everest, the pressure is lower because the lowest and densest 9km of the atmosphere is below that point.

Now the "vapor canopy" would form a part of the atmosphere, being a body of gas (water vapor) gravitationally held to the earth. It would in fact be most of the pre-flood atmosphere. There would have to be enough vapor to form 9km of liquid, when condensed, and, therefore the vapor would weigh as much as 9km of water. The pressure at the earth's surface, where Noah and family lived, would be equal to one atmosphere PLUS the weight of a 9km column of water of unit area. This is equivalent to the pressure 9km deep in the ocean. What is this pressure? Well, each 10m of water is roughly equivalent to one atmosphere, so the pressure would be 900 atmospheres. The atmosphere would also have a composition of about 900 parts water vapor to one part of what we call air today.

How could an atmosphere almost 100% water vapor not condense? The temperature would have to be raised to the point where the partial pressure of water equals 900 atmospheres, i.e. the boiling point at that pressure. So we find Noah et al. living in a 13,000psi boiler. Is this credible? Not even remotely so.



such a catastrophic climate change would render our current scientific dating systems as inaccurate.* Why? because the rate of decay would be greater under a warmer global climate. Our dating methods are derived based on current decay from our climate as we know it.


How exactly did you Arrive at the conclusion that the rate of decay would be different in a warmer climate? we're not talking about decaying organic matter,With Carbon 14 dating, we're measuring the decay rate of Beta particles as C-14 decays back into N-14. Our dating methods are NOT based on decay in our current climate, thewyre based on the constant decay rate of various radioactive isotopes and their beta particles.
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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: peter vlar

So the writings you hold as fact, because you are so scientific, has Alulim ruling for 28,800 years. Alalngar ruling for 36,000 years, En-men-lu-ana ruling for43,200 years and so forth and so on. (according to the Sumerian Kings list) These are the writings you find factual and reliable?



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:29 PM
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Hi Peter

You and the others are doing a fine job dealing with this nonsense; if you need more I would suggest looking at the salt flats, ice cap of Greenland and Antarctica and the many archaeological sites that date to before, during and after the date some have set for the flood, oddly those sites show no such flood, the ice caps show they have been there hundreds of thousands of years -why did they not float off and melt? How did the the salt flats, dissolve then reform.

Geology killed the flood idea off over 150+ years ago

I always wondered what the fresh water creatures did during the flood...lol



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: TheChrome

Don't put words in my mouth please. I'm referring to the dates that the script was invented and the dates various things were written down. You know, facts. I never alluded to the actual content of the written works being reliable or factual. Just the dates that the actual writing part occurred. Why aren't you trying to dispute your water canopy story or explain the dispersion of animals globally or even the Siberian mammoth? Also as Hanslune pointed out, what happened to all the fresh water fish when a global ocean covered the mountain peaks? Were those goal posts heavy when you picked them up to move them? Look, I'm really sorry that my verifiable facts just shat all over your Bronze Age mythos but your condescending mockery didn't do you any favors. Let's discuss what I actually wrote in refutation of your post instead of making up something you want to attribute to me. Go ahead and address Handlunes points as well while you're at it. I eagerly await your reply.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:45 PM
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a reply to: Hanslune

Thanks and you made some very excellent points as well. I probably would have got to them but got a little distracted decimating the impossibility of the water canopy and the still hanging on by a thread ,quick freeze mammoths due to crustal displacement. People don't seem to understand the distinct difference between roaming magnetic poles and the actual crust shifting the poles to different locales.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: TheChrome

Don't put words in my mouth please. I'm referring to the dates that the script was invented and the dates various things were written down. You know, facts. I never alluded to the actual content of the written works being reliable or factual. Just the dates that the actual writing part occurred. Why aren't you trying to dispute your water canopy story or explain the dispersion of animals globally or even the Siberian mammoth? Also as Hanslune pointed out, what happened to all the fresh water fish when a global ocean covered the mountain peaks? Were those goal posts heavy when you picked them up to move them? Look, I'm really sorry that my verifiable facts just shat all over your Bronze Age mythos but your condescending mockery didn't do you any favors. Let's discuss what I actually wrote in refutation of your post instead of making up something you want to attribute to me. Go ahead and address Handlunes points as well while you're at it. I eagerly await your reply.


Because it's late, and I'm tired. I'm a Mechanical Engineer, so I will respond later....



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

In my experience its the absolute void of evidence for a singular, world wide flood event. This isn't a disputable scenario its a basic fact of geology that there were and have been many large scale flood events but never one singular worldwide flood during the course of human history or prehistory.


It should be mentioned that even if a global flood HAD occurred there are STILL scientific (and engineering) impossibilities that make the story untrue. Like the account of two of every animal or the fact that Noah's Ark would be too big to float from the VERY dimensions listed in the bible. If Noah built the ark in the bible, his fate would have been the same as every other species on the planet if a global flood occurred.


what did noah use to make the ark?

why do people forget that God is involved?
noah didn't turn on his HAARP machine.

any geological evidences for any of the other flood stories?



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 12:23 AM
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a reply to: tsingtao

Howdy,

Perhaps I can give you something better... Evidence that a local flood did indeed occur in the Black Sea region. Local, not global.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

The problem isn't that there is no evidence for flooding, it is that there is no evidence for GLOBAL flooding, and especially not global flooding that occurred at the same time.

Sincere regards,
Hydeman



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Maybe the entire earth was covered in water at some stage in its evolutionary history. And the sea floor was basically flat.

It has morphed into its present irregular shape over billions of years.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: thedeadtruth
a reply to: edmc^2

Maybe the entire earth was covered in water at some stage in its evolutionary history. And the sea floor was basically flat.

It has morphed into its present irregular shape over billions of years.



Excluding evolutionary history, exactly my point - if you balance the earth's surface it will be covered with water thousands of feet. There's no doubt about it even today! Not even debatable.

Which means the earth IS still flooded. The water of Noah's Flood is still with us.



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

Excluding evolutionary history, exactly my point - if you balance the earth's surface it will be covered with water thousands of feet. There's no doubt about it even today! Not even debatable.

Which means the earth IS still flooded. The water of Noah's Flood is still with us.


the closest the earth ever came to having its entire surface covered in water was 2.5 billion years ago when ~97% of the surface area was covered in water. This however has NEVER occurred since any member of the Genus Homo has walked the earth. Not one time in the last 2.5 bn years has it occurred. The geological evidence AGAINST a worldwide flood occurring in the last 10,000 years is absolute verification of this. There is not one single bit of data, not a single silica deposit that points to the entire planet having been covered in water during this span of time let alone that rain could have flooded the entire surface above the tops of all the mountains in a mere 40 days. It's a complete logical fallacy with nothing but Biblical plagiarization of Sumerian myths to back it up.

I'm certainly willing to entertain the notion that I am entirely wrong if you can support your hypothesis with any fact based evidence but what you are proposing simply didn't happen only a few thousand years ago. And that doesn't even account for the amount of genetic diversity that exists today which would be completely impossible after the nightmare of inbreeding that would have been propagated by Noah and his children and their wives post flood.

Every hypothetical scenario you come up with and then claim as definitive proof is so outlandish and outside the bounds of reality that I have to wonder if you're actually serious or if this is just an entertaining diversion for you.



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

No I think you miss my point. Noahs flood ? Your limited imagination keeps going back to a book that is also limited to a small part of history and the world and mans relationship with God.

I do not think it was meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

Very hard to have a conversation with someone about such an expansive topic with one party only has one book / opinion on the subject to reference.



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: edmc^2

Excluding evolutionary history, exactly my point - if you balance the earth's surface it will be covered with water thousands of feet. There's no doubt about it even today! Not even debatable.

Which means the earth IS still flooded. The water of Noah's Flood is still with us.


the closest the earth ever came to having its entire surface covered in water was 2.5 billion years ago when ~97% of the surface area was covered in water. This however has NEVER occurred since any member of the Genus Homo has walked the earth. Not one time in the last 2.5 bn years has it occurred. The geological evidence AGAINST a worldwide flood occurring in the last 10,000 years is absolute verification of this. There is not one single bit of data, not a single silica deposit that points to the entire planet having been covered in water during this span of time let alone that rain could have flooded the entire surface above the tops of all the mountains in a mere 40 days. It's a complete logical fallacy with nothing but Biblical plagiarization of Sumerian myths to back it up.

I'm certainly willing to entertain the notion that I am entirely wrong if you can support your hypothesis with any fact based evidence but what you are proposing simply didn't happen only a few thousand years ago. And that doesn't even account for the amount of genetic diversity that exists today which would be completely impossible after the nightmare of inbreeding that would have been propagated by Noah and his children and their wives post flood.

Every hypothetical scenario you come up with and then claim as definitive proof is so outlandish and outside the bounds of reality that I have to wonder if you're actually serious or if this is just an entertaining diversion for you.










Every hypothetical scenario you come up with and then claim as definitive proof is so outlandish and outside the bounds of reality that I have to wonder if you're actually serious or if this is just an entertaining diversion for you.


First off, how is it a hypothetical scenario if it's a fact that the entire earth can be completely covered with water?

How is it a hypothetical scenario if it's a fact that the earth is 70% water and that a large amount of water are still locked up in both poles and are underground?

how is it hypothetical scenario if it's a fact that if you even out the surface of the earth it will be under water thousands of feet?

So right there you can't dispute that but what you can dispute is the timeline. When did the global flood happened?

As for geological evidence of it happening - plenty, only problem is how to interpret them.

Of course to someone who is a proponent of evolution theory, the evidence is interpreted to support evolution while those who believe in the Bible, like me look at them from a logical stand point.

Case in point - marine lifeforms on top of mountains.

How they got there?

Of course to you, you will say uplift millions or even billions of years ago due to tectonic plate movements. But this is problematic to me in that the age of the marine lifeforms will also need to coincide even pass the age of the mountain - if this is the case. Something that you can't prove.

So to me the most logical explanation is water deposition - it's the easiest and most logical way to explain it. That these marine lifeforms were scooped out from the bottom of the sea basins and deposited on top of these mountains with tremendous force and speed. Along with these marine lifeforms are huge boulders carried and deposited from far off places.

www.lucernevalley.net...

There are many more that I can cite but the obove is more than enough to prove that there was indeed a global flood at one point in time.



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 02:01 AM
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originally posted by: thedeadtruth
a reply to: edmc^2

No I think you miss my point. Noahs flood ? Your limited imagination keeps going back to a book that is also limited to a small part of history and the world and mans relationship with God.

I do not think it was meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

Very hard to have a conversation with someone about such an expansive topic with one party only has one book / opinion on the subject to reference.



Not really, heck I even believe and convinced that the earth at its early stages was completely under water millions or even billions of years ago.

So right there is a solid basis to based my belief on what the Bible says about a global flood.

Unless of course you're saying that the earth was never under water?



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Howdy,

By your description of the scenario, you seemingly understand why a global (complete) flood scenario is entirely hypothetical. You have no evidence for it, yet your are suggesting a hypothetical scenario in which water covered a "flat" (smooth, ellipsoidal) Earth. The Earth is not smooth or even ellipsoidal, and the Earth is not made of uniform rock throughout. The crust, and thus the gravity, differs based on location. Therefore, water is held "more closely" by the higher gravitation of certain regions of the crust. To create a scenario where gravity is uniform and the Earth is ellipsoidal is of course a hypothetical scenario.
en.wikipedia.org...

As for evidence of long geologic processes... Did you know that the majority of rock on Mt. Everest is metamorphosed? This is nice, in that it allows a geologist to look at mineral assemblages and see the P/T+(potentially) fluid conditions under which the rocks formed. It might also construct minerals that will show/concentrate radioactive isotopes. Please look over the abstract below, as I will discuss it.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

Now, the first thing to note is detrital trilobites, ostrocods, and crinoids. Trilobites are especially good at being used as index fossils, as the last trilobites died out in the Permian extinction. That said, these fossil fragments have been interpreted as redeposited after the original beds were weathered and eroded. Neat stuff. That said, the original trilobite containing rock must have been a seafloor no later than ~250mya and it must have been lithified and eroded since to thus be redeposited again.

So, another thing to note is the mentioning of non-metamorphosed, highly fractured Ordovician limestone. Limestone only forms (in modern times) in two places. The first is lakes, in which case very little is formed, and the second is tropical shallow marine environments, where most limestone is formed. (Look at the geology of Florida, for example...) So, what does this imply? Well, the rock has not been metamorphosed, but it has been fractured, so it must have undergone the stress of tectonic pressures without being subjected to great heating or fluid/chemical interactions. The fact that it is Ordovician makes it about 485-443 million years old.

Below this rock is the Yellow Band, which is apparently metamorphosed and contains such mineral species as to allow for the measurement of when the rocks actually were metamorphosed. Do notice that the rocks in the Yellow Band (from my previous source) suggest pre-Himalayan metamorphosis with a later (more recent) episode of metamorphism as well... See, to me, this indicates that the rocks predate the mountain building (known as an orogeny).

For a more... detailed and thorough, yet surprisingly simple explanation of the rocks of Mt. Everest, I suggest the Wikipedia page, which also makes mention of the various faults and breccias as well as the igneous rocks that formed from the tectonic stacking... (I should add that igneous rocks also contain minerals indicative of P/T and minerals which contain radioactive elements that can be used in age determination).
en.wikipedia.org...

Let us entertain your hypothetical situation though... In your scenario, you believe the fossils to have been "scooped up" and deposited on the top of mountains. So, the fact that trilobites exist in the strata of Mt. Everest would mean the flood would have had to been in or before the Permian, yes? Scientists don't even find primate fossils until the Paleocene, and members of the genus Homo aren't seen until the Pleistocene, very recent in comparison (younger than the date of the second metamorphic event in the Himalayas). This looks problematic to me. Also, wouldn't non-marine organisms get "scooped up" and deposited in strata with the marine organisms? Why are there no plant fossils in those layers, or even terrestrial organisms?

As for your giant boulder assertion, I can't say one way or the other what moved that one. I know flood waters have moved large rocks, as well as thrust faults, and even glaciers. A global flood is not needed to move rocks like that... In fact, using the size of the boulder, and assuming it were a flood that deposited it, I suppose you could theoretically figure out the velocity of the water that moved it... (last source).
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
pages.geo.wvu.edu...

I anxiously await your reply, as I do so enjoy discussing geology.

Sincere regards,
Hydeman



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 08:56 AM
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Well so you are suggesting that god made it physically possible for an ark of those dimensions to be built by a man who had never been a shipwright in his life to be built and stay together? Then for said ark to be able to hold two of every animal on the planet? THEN flood the earth with more water than exists on the planet. THEN once flood is over, remove ALL evidence of said flood occurring. THEN help noah properly distribute every animal back to where ever they came from like they never left?

Yeah that all makes PERFECT sense.



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: edmc^2


First off, how is it a hypothetical scenario if it's a fact that the entire earth can be completely covered with water?

Because you are taking a fact that has not occurred since 2.5 billion years ago and trying to use it as the basis for evidence of somethimg that supposedly occurred approximately 7000 years ago withy providing a single piece of evidence to support it. Without some kind of proof it IS indeed a hypothetical scenario that has not happened since almost all life was ever here on earth. Here's a good analogy that I can take from one of my favorite authors, Charles Dickens. He wrote 'A Tale of Two Cities'. The basis for the story are factual events during the time of the French Revolution. The French Revolution really did occur but it was well after the fact Dickens used that reality to form the basis for his fictitious novel.


How is it a hypothetical scenario if it's a fact that the earth is 70% water and that a large amount of water are still locked up in both poles and are underground?


The fact that an event occurred 2.5 billion years ago prior to plate tectonics and continental formations does not in any way prove a correlation to the biblical flood that you are claiming occurred 7000 BPE and even then you're not accounting for the moons gravity and its tidal effects.


how is it hypothetical scenario if it's a fact that if you even out the surface of the earth it will be under water thousands of feet?


This one is the biggest hypothetical of all because it has never occurred. Ever. Even 2.5 bn years ago there was still ~3% land mass above seal level and there's nothing to indicate that all land was uniform across the globe. Add to that the effects of the moons gravity on the tides as well as the earths crust.


So right there you can't dispute that but what you can dispute is the timeline. When did the global flood happened?


A flood is a natural disaster that occurs suddenly and often unexpectedly. The period of time where 97% of the Earths surface was water was a persistent state due to the heat of the earths core being 200 celsius degrees hotter than it is now. It wasnt sudden and its persistent state for most of the first half of Earths existence does not meet the criteria for a flood. And I'm most definitely contesting the viability of your proposed time
Iine because there's no evidence for a singular, world wide flood event that occurred at the point in time.


As for geological evidence of it happening - plenty, only problem is how to interpret them.


So what exactly is your evidence in favor of the biblical flood? Facts are facts its not really a matter of interpretation except when someone tries like holy hell to make all the pieces fit into their preconceived paradigm.


Of course to someone who is a proponent of evolution theory, the evidence is interpreted to support evolution while those who believe in the Bible, like me look at them from a logical stand point.


That's such a BS strawman argument. Flooding has nothing to do with evolution debate. God has nothing to with the evolution debate. The only thing I care about is the facts and where the evidence and associated data leads. Nothing I've seen even remotely indicates a singular world wide flood outside of the plagiarized Noah myth and the Sumerian texts the Noah story is begat from. Tere are certainly flood myths from other sculptures but they simy don't date to the same time period you are trying to rationalize.


Case in point - marine lifeforms on top of mountains.

How they got there?

Of course to you, you will say uplift millions or even billions of years ago due to tectonic plate movements. But this is problematic to me in that the age of the marine lifeforms will also need to coincide even pass the age of the mountain - if this is the case. Something that you can't prove.


Again, completely false. There are many types of fossils that are found alL over the world that we can pinpoint a pretty specific ranger dates that it existed within and when their extinction took place. If those fossils are on top of those mountains then we know that place was once underneath the water before the mountain range in question formed. The mountain range can also be dated by the types of rock that are there as well. Do you have so,e sort of evidence that marine fossils in the Himalayas are younger than the mountain range itself? Why are the fossils not all dated to the same period if this is true?


So to me the most logical explanation is water deposition - it's the easiest and most logical way to explain it. That these marine lifeforms were scooped out from the bottom of the sea basins and deposited on top of these mountains with tremendous force and speed. Along with these marine lifeforms are huge boulders carried and deposited from far off places.


No, form a geological standpoint it is in no way the most logical explanation. What you are doing is creating a massive strawman here to support your biblical beliefs as the only possible truth for reality. Instead of looking at the information and following the breadcrumbs you are beginning your search with a conclusion and then
Forcing square pegs into round holes with a hammer in an attempt to drive your Gish galloping point homeward. There is plenty of evidence for a multitude of large scale local and regional flood events. All of them have occurred at various times throughout history but never were the all convergent n the same date and covering the entire world

www.lucernevalley.net...


There are many more that I can cite but the obove is more than enough to prove that there was indeed a global flood at one point in time.



So you're using information posited by a gentleman who claims to have received messages from extraterrestrial beings while meditating under Giant Rick as undeniable proof of the biblical flood? It plays no roll in any flooding except for a flood of insanity in this guys mind. Thats some serious intellectual dishonesty right there.
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