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When does smoking pot or even stealing cigars justify 2 bullets in the head ?

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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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YES THAT It explain it all rite were a previous writer posts (knowing he had conspiracy that he was signaling thought about prison That s were the dude screwed up. ALL BAD!




posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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The hypocrisy on this site is always amusing but never surprising. Most folks here if this were approached as a different subject.. such as gun rights, when is it OK to fire a weapon at someone, and so on, would claim that someone doing what this guy did would be dead, 100% of the time. He is threatening your life.. you have the right to defend your life.

But to those same people, a police officer doesn't have the right to defend their own life. They are seemingly within the span of a few seconds, supposed to determine the mental capabilities of someone charging at them, irregardless of that persons size and strength, and then come up with a more appropriate response. If it were these same people in that police SUV, they would have shot the guy and felt 100% justified in doing so.

This is of course, assuming this was the actual turn of events. Apparently cops are supposed to adhere to a different level of standards, even if some thug is attacking them and threatening their life.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: milkyway12




The police officer thinks the guy was on some kind of narcotic, too.


perhaps they should be looking into what substances the cop had in his system


Darren would have had both a urine and blood toxicity screen when he was taken to the hospital as a normal course of treatment.

This is because both tests screen for different drugs.

This is done in almost every instance of a trauma, especially one that may include a possible head injury.

Darren suffered a fractured eye socket, and his eye was reportedly still swollen shut on Tuesday, when he returned to his house to pack and leave.

Fractured eye sockets are no joke, and often times can result in fragments entering the brain tissue.

Even if that doesn't happen, a lot of bruising and swelling in the area can cause dizziness, confusion, and other issues.

This may explain why his shooting was off center mass, and tracked to center mass, as he shot. His vision was 2 dimensional, not 3 D, as one eye was swollen shut, or obscured by blood.

An eye swells shut immediately in an injury like this.

The drug screen would likely have already been subpoenaed by all three agencies that are investigating.

Drug screens are run as a normal course of treatment for traumas, because in a trauma, giving pain medicataion is usually necessary, and before that can be done, it is necessary to know if the patient has self-medicated, so as to not overdose the patient when pain meds are administered.

This is also one of the reasons, if you watch ER, or any of the medical shows, for the delay in pain meds, along with the need to assess the patient without interference of pain medication, which can make assessment of injuries difficult.


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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

If the first bullet is justified, they won't prosecute for firing the last two.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: Iamthatbish

Every LEO would have made the same decision, because, it comes down to Stand Your Ground.

He had a right to defend his own life, which, from the evidence that has come out thus far, is exactly what he did.

Police are not taught to shoot to maim, or to shoot to slow down. They are taught to kill. This is real life, not television.

He had already been assaulted, been in a fight for his sidearm, which he clearly won, and preserved his own life.

I fail to see, at this point, where he needs more training. He did everything by the book.

When he first stopped Michael and Dorian, and asked them to get out of the road, he was not aware of the robbery. They said they would be off the road momentarily.

He advanced forward, observing them in his mirror. He then got the radio call about the burglary and recognized them as the suspects, reversed his car, and went back to them.

When he tried to exit the vehicle, Michael aggressively slammed the door shut on Darren, and that was the beginning of an assault. That constituted his first felony on a police officer.

From thereon, every action Michael took was one more felony, which gave Darren the right to pursue, and attempt an arrest.

Nothing he did was wrong.

People are going to hate it, but, it is likely he will get a No Bill from the Grand Jury, or, if they install a special prosecutor, he may be arrested to appease the Ferguson uprising, which is just pitiful.





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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: Libertygal

Not just every LEO but anyone who had already taken a punch in the face and was armed would probably have done the same thing during the charging rampage.. As more and more reports which are considered facts come out it appears the LEO was justified in every sense of the case.. I still think the crown or head shot was due to the young dead man doing a typical bull charge at the officer... Now if all this checks out let us all hope the facts will be presented in a way where the average resident in Ferguson can grasp the situation in which the LEO found himself.. I know there will still be those who want to destroy or create mayhem for it is in their nature however maybe just maybe cooler heads will prevail.. All we can hope for is the truth and not someone's lies used to propagate a false narrative.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky
Non sequitur. One does not follow the other. He was not shot for smoking pot. He was not shot for stealing cigars.

The right question is "when you're a very imposing 300lb, over six foot tall man, punch a cop in the face resulting in a orbital fracture, fight him for control of his weapon, run away then double back and charge him, could you be shot?"

The answer is unequiviquably yes.

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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

There is a reason they don't call it The Reason System.

Justice by it's nature cannot always be reasonable in order to be effective.

Many make this mistake and become upset at The Justice System for being at times unreasonable.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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suicide by cop obviously.

happens everyday.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 12:52 AM
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Every LEO that stood their ground would have been a poorly trained murder. They have to live with that choice. Not I.

Eta: I would happily give up my citizenship if this is our future but, you know they charge you for that now right?


originally posted by: Libertygal
a reply to: Iamthatbish

Every LEO would have made the same decision, because, it comes down to Stand Your Ground.

He had a right to defend his own life, which, from the evidence that has come out thus far, is exactly what he did.

Police are not taught to shoot to maim, or to shoot to slow down. They are taught to kill. This is real life, not television.

He had already been assaulted, been in a fight for his sidearm, which he clearly won, and preserved his own life.

I fail to see, at this point, where he needs more training. He did everything by the book.

When he first stopped Michael and Dorian, and asked them to get out of the road, he was not aware of the robbery. They said they would be off the road momentarily.

He advanced forward, observing them in his mirror. He then got the radio call about the burglary and recognized them as the suspects, reversed his car, and went back to them.

When he tried to exit the vehicle, Michael aggressively slammed the door shut on Darren, and that was the beginning of an assault. That constituted his first felony on a police officer.

From thereon, every action Michael took was one more felony, which gave Darren the right to pursue, and attempt an arrest.

Nothing he did was wrong.

People are going to hate it, but, it is likely he will get a No Bill from the Grand Jury, or, if they install a special prosecutor, he may be arrested to appease the Ferguson uprising, which is just pitiful.





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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 01:05 AM
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It's justified when a 290lb aggressive adult, who just punched you and tried to steal your gun resulting in a discharge of said weapon, charges you with obvious bad intent. End of story.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 03:21 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Are you serious, or just trying to stoke the flames by asking questions that will only do that?

Obviously the man wasn't shot because he smoked pot or stole cigars (the officer wasn't even aware of those crimes, but the man who was shot was). He was shot for assaulting a police officer (if you believe the eye witnesses and cop) and trying (at least the officer thought so) to do it again. Now let's say it wasn't a police officer, lets say it was you. You have a gun on your hip, you ask a 6'4" man a question and he attacks you and tries to get your gun, then you try to call for help to stop him as he walks away and he turns around and runs toward you. Are you going to A) sit down and let him have his way with you, or B) Defend yourself?

The officer didn't see him smoking pot and shoot him. The officer didn't walk in on him stealing cigars and shoot him. What is up with the dishonest questions?

I'm against police militarization, but c'mon, have a little objectivity.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 03:23 AM
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He was shot 6 times starting at the lower arm and right up to his head as he fell.The cop unloaded his clip as he is taught to do,shoot to kill not to maim.The cop didn't aim at his head, his head was hit as he fell and as the cop unloaded his clip on him.The black community acts like these rare shootings are the cause for everything wrong in there communities when 90% of black homicides are done by other blacks.
We have a racist attorney general who acts like blacks are constantly being shot by white cops when they have a better chance of being killed by a terrorist.This victim mentality needs to stop because nobody is hurting blacks more than other blacks.All this # because of 2 shootings,Travon and this clown bobby.2 justifiable shootings in 3+ years by non blacks against blacks.In that same time 35,000 black on black murders have happened with no marches or protests or MSM coverage).
BY THE WAY WHERE`S THE REPORTS ON MSM ABOUT ALL OF THESE BLACK ON WHITE MURDERS IN THE LAST 3 MONTHS? What?! You havent heard of them? Thats because the msm dont report them.Here you go, a short list.
mie Norman, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/18- Terry Taylor, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/17- Cindy Raygoza, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/11- Luis Aguilar, 91 year old hispanic male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/10- Brittany Simpson, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Sarah Goode, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Jeffrey Westerfield, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/5- Perry Renn, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/3- Laurey Kennedy, white female still in coma from beating by black male. No national news
7/3 Eric Mollet, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Rupert Anderson, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Jennifer Kingeter, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
6/30 Jim Brennan, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/29 Paul Shephard, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Shirley Barone, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Penelope Spencer, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Inga Evans, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/26 Jake Rameau, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/25 Gina Burger, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/24 Nathan Dasher, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/22 Jonathan Price, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/20 John Whitmore, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/18 John Yingling,white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/17 Allyn Reeves, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/15 Michael Beaver, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Angela Cook, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Nathan Hall, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/7 Harry Briggs, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/5 Laura Bachman, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/2 Robert Mohler, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/1 William Headley, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 03:25 AM
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This topic is a hoax, and should be put in the hoax forum.

He didn't get shot for smoking pot or stealing cigars... What a bunch of crap.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 03:33 AM
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The problem is that there could be a legitimate discussion about the aggressiveness of police and the push towards a police state by the federal government. But this event became a circus of losers who only wanted civil unrest and a reason to loot and vandalize as well as be a platform for those with racial paranoia and phobias about racism and whites institutionalized killing of blacks. The dregs of the political world fanned the flame of this division. Sharpton, Holder, Jackson, Obama, they used this division to feather their own nests and to help divide the people against each other so they don't unite against the real enemy... the powers that be.
Brown was a goon and a thug and deserved to have a police dog or two rip into him or have a well applied nightstick facial. Maybe it would give him something to think about, he was clearly headed towards prison and was failing as a human being.
He may or may not have deserved to be shot, depending o whether or not he attacked the officer. I believe he did, he looked to be that stupid and violent. The excuses and mental gymnastics people are making to try to defend Brown mostly stem for a hatred towards the officer, not a belief in the innocence of Brown.
I'm angry because these stupid losers who are protesting are going to hurt all of us and help the feds think they can operate a police state and have us welcome it.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 04:02 AM
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Also, days before, the DA had said he had a clean criminal background. This only shows he hadn't been caught, yet.


Wow, just, wow!

Some people are just criminals that haven't been caught yet eh?

Amazing.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: jaxnmarko
a reply to: 727Sky
They are separate issues. The one does not justify the other. Nor does rioting and looting become justified by what happened either. He was not shot from behind, as the autopsy showed. Witnesses are saying that he was approaching the police. I think the police over-reacted. They spend too much time practicing unloading a complete clip rapidly at the firing range instead of shot placement that can put a man down. A bullet to the knee does wonders for ambulatory threats, and there are two knees.


You know how hard it is to make a shot at a knee, especially a moving one? You know how many cops have died for trying that same thing? That is called hollywood movies and tv.
Firepiston



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: Libertygal


Also, days before, the DA had said he had a clean criminal background. This only shows he hadn't been caught, yet.


Wow, just, wow!

Some people are just criminals that haven't been caught yet eh?

Amazing.


in my younger days i knew a lot of law breakers, but that was not the thug life style it was of the cultivation of the left handed variety. most have never seen the inside of a jail cell.
granted they stopped their evil ways around the same time i did. there are some who have been looked at by the cops and not arrested,some never once. i wasn't that lucky.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
How about this. Instead of dismissing violent crime and even some other crimes as "they didn't deserve to get shot"...we instead allow all citizens to carry guns and inform the potential criminals that they WILL be shot if they are a menace to society, rob someone, violate someone, etc. That way, if someone decides to strong-arm a purse away from a woman...they get shot...and either won't do it again or can't do it again?

I like that idea. The key is to make sure everyone is well aware that if you steal a car, you can be shot and killed for doing so. Then...only the uncontrollable will still commit such crimes and will be "removed" from society. Others who are smart enough to NOT want to get shot, will abstain from committing such crimes.

Then we would have a society of law abiding individuals and finally be rid of the violent criminals and maybe all you liberal asses who pretend that depriving someone of property or assaulting them is somehow, in your screwed up minds...just fine. You know...like back in the good ole days when people thought twice about committing crimes because they would get their ass kicked.

And again...only the uncontrollable (see: Furguson) would be shot and we don't need or want these people in our society anyway. PROBLEM SOLVED!


I am on board with that idea for sure. Crime would drop like a rock.
Firepiston



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
To any sane human, there is no justification for shooting in the head, twice


There is no justification for even ONE bullet in the head ... and last I knew, people were supposed to be shot in the legs, not the arms.


Lol you know nothing about real life situations. Head shots are a must in some circumstances. Think of your car going out of control, the gas pedal stuck, the only way to stop it is flicking the switch "ignition". Sure you could pop the tires and all but what is going to stop the problem instantly?

My analogies suck but as we can see, 4 shots to the arm did nothing to stop a person from fighting. Even if your heart is destroyed you still have enough oxygen in the brain to continue voluntary actions for a few+ seconds. Handguns are not death rays. They don't just magically drop people in 1 hit, unless it is a head shot which even then people have kept on with one. There are too many variables.
Firepiston
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