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posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: UB2120
How does any of that list disprove the existence of God?


Which one? They can't all be real.

Any argument you make for your god I can make for any of the many other gods people have invented. Any argument you make against any of these other gods I can equally make against yours.


There is only one God. Just because some have view God from different angles or through different lenses doesn't mean it's a different God. It doesn't matter what name or symbol you use for God. A lot of that has to do with culture and custom you chance to be born in. Also much depends on where on the scale of mind evolution one finds themselves. It doesn't matter if a human has the most primitive or the most advanced concept of God, God still loves that individual the same.




posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: UB2120
There is only one God.



So says you.

I Posit that there are many gods. Who are you to suggest otherwise? Every argument you use to validate your personal god can equally validate my many gods. Who are you to denounce the polytheistic belief of others?



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: GetHyped

I agree, for in the absolute, there is room for many Gods with many desires, but only one yearning.



posted on Sep, 6 2014 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: UB2120
There is only one God.



So says you.

I Posit that there are many gods. Who are you to suggest otherwise? Every argument you use to validate your personal god can equally validate my many gods. Who are you to denounce the polytheistic belief of others?


Who is denouncing or invalidating? I am not. There are many beings who can be considered God-like, but there is always the one source. Religions that are polytheistic generally have a hierarchy and there is a head God or leader. This is a normal part of religious evolution. Ultimately polytheism evolves into monotheism.

I don't belittle anyone's religion. Philosophically you must ultimately arrive at a First Source and Center. There is only one uncaused cause. Only one being who does not rely on another for existence and that is God. It doesn't matter if someone's personal religion has not progressed to that point yet. If given enough time that religion will progress to that point.

Generally speaking religions are very slow at growth. Changes happen slowly over many, many generations. Just like in physical evolution changes to religious evolution take sudden leaps from time to time. Sometimes they survive and sometimes they are rejected within the given religion. Religion can only progress as fast as those who practice it will allow. There is nothing wrong with that and it is normal.



posted on Sep, 6 2014 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: UB2120

Apollo, Athena, Dionysus, and Zeus many one god. Or just one Judaism, Christianity, and Islam more polythéisme or one monotheistic but many or none ever absolute…………..

(Otto), the Form of the Good (Plato), the Mystery, the Ultimate, the Ground or Urground ("Original Ground"), is the concept of an unconditional reality which transcends limited, conditional, everyday existence. The manifestation, creation, of the Absolute has been described as the Logos or Word or World, the Ṛta or Ratio.
It is sometimes used as an alternate term for the more commonly used God of the Universe, the Divine or the Supreme Being ("Utmost Being"), especially, but by no means exclusively, to express it in less personal and more impersonal representations. The concept of the Absolute may or may not (depending on one's specific doctrine) possess discrete will, intelligence, awareness, or a personal nature. It is sometimes conceived of as the source through which all being emanates. It contrasts with finite things, considered individually, and known collectively as the relative. This is reflected in the name's Latin etymology absolūtus which means "loosened from" or "unattached" (from a subject-object dualism).
en.wikipedia.org...(philosophy)

Acutely, belief is the core of existence the solid form of matter surround, be it religious or other, only the belief in... construct yearning... forms the consolation to bring into form...... be-little or be-large is dogma, only form, is the question of how you wish to form I you is pole of stimulation reality scope of immersion within to output stimuli for furtherance of all absolute.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: UB2120

Your view of God is not different then any other religious folks view - you have idea - belief - nothing more.

In the end, you might hope, just like rest of religious world - that you are correct - and in the end that would make everyone else wrong - just like all other religions.

Nah, as far as science, world we live in today and our future and past are concerned - there is no need for a God. (unless you believe in Thor of course, like my 5 year old
)



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: Fingle
a reply to: UB2120

Apollo, Athena, Dionysus, and Zeus many one god. Or just one Judaism, Christianity, and Islam more polythéisme or one monotheistic but many or none ever absolute…………..

(Otto), the Form of the Good (Plato), the Mystery, the Ultimate, the Ground or Urground ("Original Ground"), is the concept of an unconditional reality which transcends limited, conditional, everyday existence. The manifestation, creation, of the Absolute has been described as the Logos or Word or World, the Ṛta or Ratio.
It is sometimes used as an alternate term for the more commonly used God of the Universe, the Divine or the Supreme Being ("Utmost Being"), especially, but by no means exclusively, to express it in less personal and more impersonal representations. The concept of the Absolute may or may not (depending on one's specific doctrine) possess discrete will, intelligence, awareness, or a personal nature. It is sometimes conceived of as the source through which all being emanates. It contrasts with finite things, considered individually, and known collectively as the relative. This is reflected in the name's Latin etymology absolūtus which means "loosened from" or "unattached" (from a subject-object dualism).
en.wikipedia.org...(philosophy)

Acutely, belief is the core of existence the solid form of matter surround, be it religious or other, only the belief in... construct yearning... forms the consolation to bring into form...... be-little or be-large is dogma, only form, is the question of how you wish to form I you is pole of stimulation reality scope of immersion within to output stimuli for furtherance of all absolute.



God is an eternal and changeless being, but our concept of his nature has enlarged and grown from generation to generation. It will continue to enlarge and grow in the coming generations. We should never feel that we have fully discovered God.

The Absolutes of Deity are not persons. They are more of the infinite and eternal repositories of the potentials of all future eternity.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: SuperFrog
a reply to: UB2120

Your view of God is not different then any other religious folks view - you have idea - belief - nothing more.

In the end, you might hope, just like rest of religious world - that you are correct - and in the end that would make everyone else wrong - just like all other religions.

Nah, as far as science, world we live in today and our future and past are concerned - there is no need for a God. (unless you believe in Thor of course, like my 5 year old
)


It is more than just an idea or belief, it is an experience. Religion lives and prospers, then, not by sight and feeling, but rather by faith and insight. It consists not in the discovery of new facts or in the finding of a unique experience, but rather in the discovery of new and spiritual meanings in facts already well known to mankind. The highest religious experience is not dependent on prior acts of belief, tradition, and authority; neither is religion the offspring of sublime feelings and purely mystical emotions. It is, rather, a profoundly deep and actual experience of spiritual communion with the spirit influences resident within the human mind, and as far as such an experience is definable in terms of psychology, it is simply the experience of experiencing the reality of believing in God as the reality of such a purely personal experience.

To the unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternal oblivion and soul extinction. Nameless despair is man’s only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.

But such is not man’s end and eternal destiny; such a vision is but the cry of despair uttered by some wandering soul who has become lost in spiritual darkness, and who bravely struggles on in the face of the mechanistic sophistries of a material philosophy, blinded by the confusion and distortion of a complex learning. And all this doom of darkness and all this destiny of despair are forever dispelled by one brave stretch of faith on the part of the most humble and unlearned of God’s children on earth.

This saving faith has its birth in the human heart when the moral consciousness of man realizes that human values may be translated in mortal experience from the material to the spiritual, from the human to the divine, from time to eternity.

There must be perfection hunger in man’s heart to insure capacity for comprehending the faith paths to supreme attainment. If any man chooses to do the divine will, he shall know the way of truth. It is literally true, “Human things must be known in order to be loved, but divine things must be loved in order to be known.” But honest doubts and sincere questionings are not sin; such attitudes merely spell delay in the progressive journey toward perfection attainment. Childlike trust secures man’s entrance into the kingdom of heavenly ascent, but progress is wholly dependent on the vigorous exercise of the robust and confident faith of the full-grown man.

The reason of science is based on the observable facts of time; the faith of religion argues from the spirit program of eternity. What knowledge and reason cannot do for us, true wisdom admonishes us to allow faith to accomplish through religious insight and spiritual transformation.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: UB2120
It is more than just an idea or belief, it is an experience. Religion lives and prospers, then, not by sight and feeling, but rather by faith and insight. It consists not in the discovery of new facts or in the finding of a unique experience, but rather in the discovery of new and spiritual meanings in facts already well known to mankind. The highest religious experience is not dependent on prior acts of belief, tradition, and authority; neither is religion the offspring of sublime feelings and purely mystical emotions. It is, rather, a profoundly deep and actual experience of spiritual communion with the spirit influences resident within the human mind, and as far as such an experience is definable in terms of psychology, it is simply the experience of experiencing the reality of believing in God as the reality of such a purely personal experience.

Lots of text to explain that you have warm feeling when you think about God, or I am missing something?! You can have incredible feeling just by watching how vast space really is, without even considering that there is some supernatural being who cared enough to create it for us not to be able to see it with our own eyes. (thus we invented telescope
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originally posted by: UB2120
To the unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternal oblivion and soul extinction. Nameless despair is man’s only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.


Apart from creating wrong assumption that life is 'accident' - witch theory of evolution and hypothesis of abiogenesis never said in first place, you managed to paint people who believe in science and don't believe in god so gloomy... almost as gloomy as middle age religion institution, witch just as reminder where collection of everything wrong in world - some still are.



originally posted by: UB2120
But such is not man’s end and eternal destiny; such a vision is but the cry of despair uttered by some wandering soul who has become lost in spiritual darkness, and who bravely struggles on in the face of the mechanistic sophistries of a material philosophy, blinded by the confusion and distortion of a complex learning. And all this doom of darkness and all this destiny of despair are forever dispelled by one brave stretch of faith on the part of the most humble and unlearned of God’s children on earth.

God's children? Why papa does not like his kidz and give us all toys?? Why have us rotten and being squished on not so friendly world such as earth? ahhh... god works in mysterious way... I always forget...




originally posted by: UB2120
This saving faith has its birth in the human heart when the moral consciousness of man realizes that human values may be translated in mortal experience from the material to the spiritual, from the human to the divine, from time to eternity.

Faith and moral - please no joke. As for passing information to future - we use media and books today... no faith... Faith is actually all along working on less passing of knowledge and more on stupifying kids. Just look at kids being told that world is 6k years old, that noah ark is real and all other fairy tales...




originally posted by: UB2120
There must be perfection hunger in man’s heart to insure capacity for comprehending the faith paths to supreme attainment. If any man chooses to do the divine will, he shall know the way of truth. It is literally true, “Human things must be known in order to be loved, but divine things must be loved in order to be known.” But honest doubts and sincere questionings are not sin; such attitudes merely spell delay in the progressive journey toward perfection attainment. Childlike trust secures man’s entrance into the kingdom of heavenly ascent, but progress is wholly dependent on the vigorous exercise of the robust and confident faith of the full-grown man.

Full grown man believing in fairy tales - got it.


originally posted by: UB2120
The reason of science is based on the observable facts of time; the faith of religion argues from the spirit program of eternity. What knowledge and reason cannot do for us, true wisdom admonishes us to allow faith to accomplish through religious insight and spiritual transformation.

Speak of hundreds of years of intolerance of fully religious folks... Faith and religion cost world many scientist, noble mans, still do... religion is still used as tool to kill and approve killing of people... just makes me sick to think about it.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: SuperFrog

You seem to be basing most of your concept of God on the Christian religion and because of that I feel sorry for you. It is true, shrewd and wicked people have used the power of religion for their own personal gain and in their wake have left many suffering people. That is not God's fault. Christianity, despite what the devout followers say, is not the end all of religious truth. Far from it. It is a combination of many religions and was not founded by Jesus.

Unfortunately for mankind, the early followers of Jesus were not able to comprehend his teachings fully and quickly reverted to their olden ideas. There is but a sprinkling of his true teachings in the Bible though. Most of what people call Christianity is really the doctrine according to Paul, who was not one of the Apostles of Jesus.

The uncompromising attitude of Christians caused many free thinking people to reject it. Mainly due to the teaching that all information in the Bible is accurate, infallible and the only true source. That is not true. If you want to get a different take on what religion is or could be then check out the Urantia Book.

The information contained in the Urantia Book paints a very different picture. It may change your idea of God, but then again it may not. Fore warning, it is a very large and very detailed book. It's not something that you can get by reading a few one page synopsis on.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 10:54 AM
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Wait a second, while trying to separate your religious belief from Christianity, you still like to hold on God's sun - Jesus?!

Jesus teaching, yet we really have no idea if he even existed, nor if he did, how many of those stories were facts. Turning river into wine, walk on water... etc...

Not to mention that whole story seems plagiarized from Krishna story from Hinduism.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: SuperFrog
Wait a second, while trying to separate your religious belief from Christianity, you still like to hold on God's sun - Jesus?!

Jesus teaching, yet we really have no idea if he even existed, nor if he did, how many of those stories were facts. Turning river into wine, walk on water... etc...

Not to mention that whole story seems plagiarized from Krishna story from Hinduism.


Yes, the Urantia Book discusses Jesus. In fact a quarter of the book (part 4) is about his life and teachings and it is very different than the Bibles stories. For one, he never walked on water. That story came about from a lucid dream of Peter's. He did not die for our Sins, he was not sent here to appease an offended God. He was here for personal reasons, as the final chapter in his training as a Son of God, but all who came in contact with or read about his life benefit from it. He did reveal God to Man and Man to God.

There is a guy who is a student of the Urantia Book who has an interesting idea. That Jesus purposely molded certain aspects of his life with the existing mythology as a way to ensure it would last. Check out his documentary Secrets of Jesus Christ: (www.youtube.com...)

What is commonly discussed in Christianity as it relates to Jesus is very different than the way his life is portrayed in the Urantia Book. Many people new to the Urantia Book, after poking around at different topics, generally read part 4 first which is about Jesus. It is actually a very inspiring story of one man's life from childhood to death.
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