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Gov. Jay Nixon signs exec. order to send Missouri National Guard to Ferguson

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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: 00nunya00

Ok....I laughed. Think that's the first time I laughed on this thread.

Peace through justice

And demilitarization of the police.

Nite all. Be well and do good things.




posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: WhiteAlice

originally posted by: DancedWithWolves
a reply to: WhiteAlice

Something strikes me as a really BAD branding idea with that. I for one have appreciated the intel on Ferguson that they liberated, but how is rage the right message? The police are doing enough raging for everyone. Next idea...because I don't think a day of rage should go anywhere but the circular file.

What else ya got guys? Next...


Part of the issue with Anon is that they are Anon--"legion" and leaderless, anybody and everybody can be Anon. Even the 13 year old kid down the street could be Anon. It is rather humorous though to see an Anon message get put out and then quelled by other Anon claiming that it is not an Anon message. The whole concept is actually circular in and of itself and almost hypocritical.

I totally agree. It has an almost anarchist vibe to it though, as another poster pointed out, rage can also be a feeling. Still poor word choice as I think people have seen enough rage and testosterone over the last week.


I think you hit the nail on the head there.

I mentioned the other day that most American's feel something is very wrong with the system, but the problem is we have no true leadership to march with...no one to truly show leaad the people in sit-ins, speeches, marches, and a ture showing of numbers...peacefully.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: AllSourceIntel

originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: 00nunya00

Day of rage is tomorrow

The 21st of August


Per the DHS document www.scribd.com... it was supposed to be today


It states Thursday, August 21st on the first line...

feldercarb...I agree with your statement


Holy crap, I thought it was Thursday already, lol! My bad, you're totally right, it's only Wednesday today. (blush!)

Star for you reminding me to take the trash to the curb!


All good...I thought that you had...use to do that all the time when I was in the military...days run into one another.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: AllSourceIntel

originally posted by: WhiteAlice

originally posted by: DancedWithWolves
a reply to: WhiteAlice

Something strikes me as a really BAD branding idea with that. I for one have appreciated the intel on Ferguson that they liberated, but how is rage the right message? The police are doing enough raging for everyone. Next idea...because I don't think a day of rage should go anywhere but the circular file.

What else ya got guys? Next...


Part of the issue with Anon is that they are Anon--"legion" and leaderless, anybody and everybody can be Anon. Even the 13 year old kid down the street could be Anon. It is rather humorous though to see an Anon message get put out and then quelled by other Anon claiming that it is not an Anon message. The whole concept is actually circular in and of itself and almost hypocritical.

I totally agree. It has an almost anarchist vibe to it though, as another poster pointed out, rage can also be a feeling. Still poor word choice as I think people have seen enough rage and testosterone over the last week.


I think you hit the nail on the head there.

I mentioned the other day that most American's feel something is very wrong with the system, but the problem is we have no true leadership to march with...no one to truly show leaad the people in sit-ins, speeches, marches, and a ture showing of numbers...peacefully.


I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with the details. Occupy *was* a completely peaceful movement for quite a while, weeks in fact, and 95% of the public felt like it was just a bunch of hippes and hipsters camping and peeing on public property. "Peaceful sit-ins" didn't work, because nothing made real headlines until the "Black Bloc" came out and started causing violent trouble. Then everyone and their grandmother knew about Occupy, and they were then "those kids rioting and causing trouble for no reason." Even though those "kids" were actually protesting and trying to lead a movement against the faction that had just recently totally screwed 99% of the public out of not only their bank accounts, but also their futures and retirements.

The problem is we've gotten so comfy we aren't willing to really do anything about this country's issues until someone shoves a gun in our face. Most regular Americans don't even show up to vote for POTUS every four years, why would they show up for a peaceful protest? We need to be personally threatened to take action, just like WW1, just like WW2, just like Vietnam, just like 9/11. The last time we actually DID something in significant numbers was when some rioters threw the most cheaply-taxed and highest-quality tea they could get into the Boston Harbor. And even then, it started because of violence and looting. So............



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: AllSourceIntel

originally posted by: WhiteAlice

originally posted by: DancedWithWolves
a reply to: WhiteAlice

Something strikes me as a really BAD branding idea with that. I for one have appreciated the intel on Ferguson that they liberated, but how is rage the right message? The police are doing enough raging for everyone. Next idea...because I don't think a day of rage should go anywhere but the circular file.

What else ya got guys? Next...


Part of the issue with Anon is that they are Anon--"legion" and leaderless, anybody and everybody can be Anon. Even the 13 year old kid down the street could be Anon. It is rather humorous though to see an Anon message get put out and then quelled by other Anon claiming that it is not an Anon message. The whole concept is actually circular in and of itself and almost hypocritical.

I totally agree. It has an almost anarchist vibe to it though, as another poster pointed out, rage can also be a feeling. Still poor word choice as I think people have seen enough rage and testosterone over the last week.


I think you hit the nail on the head there.

I mentioned the other day that most American's feel something is very wrong with the system, but the problem is we have no true leadership to march with...no one to truly show leaad the people in sit-ins, speeches, marches, and a ture showing of numbers...peacefully.


Mhmmm, yep. Free Speech Movement had Mario Savio. Civil Rights Movement had Martin Luther King, Jr and King also picked up steam for the Antiwar Movement as well. Thing is about people like this is they aren't the type to step up because they want power. They step up because they feel that they have no other choice. Could be that the reason why someone hasn't surfaced is simply because it's not bad enough yet.

I'd also say that there is a lot of concern over movements getting "co-opted". Basically, having a charismatic and well-spoken orator who ends up steering everyone the wrong way from the original cause. That is why groups like Anon or even Occupy are/were leaderless. Then again, Millennials do things differently and are more collaborative. The youth tend to be the ones that are activists generally so the lack of a voice could very well just be a reflection of that specific generation.

The other aspect could also be media related as well. They don't typically chose to air the very well spoken charismatic person at a protest but the opposite instead. One of the times that I went down to check out my local Occupy, I had a great conversation with a highly intelligent woman with 13 years of corporate experience. The news media were interviewing the neon pink haired 18 year old causing trouble in the street. Not her.

God forbid we have another Savio or King, right? **

**this is sarcasm. I do do sarcasm from time to time.
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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:01 AM
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A nice peaceful quiet night like tonight would be a great time for the police to extend an olive branch to the people there. Perhaps a hocky esque line up and hand shake?



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: 00nunya00
a reply to: DancedWithWolves

This is my whole argument about this entire thing, and all other stories like this lately-----where did those tase-from-20-feet-away weapons go? They can get you from way far away, if there isn't a gun pointed at them, why in the world don't they reach for the taser first instead of the gun?


You get attacked and fked up and lucky to have your sidearm in your own possession, in your own cruiser and your going for the tazer????????
When someone attacks a Police Officer like that, under the circumstances, imagine how this Officer felt? Threat stopped NOW. Normal humans do not respond and act like that criminal did.
Firepiston
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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:05 AM
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I guess we should clarify a meaning of "sit-in." I don't mean just sitting there...sit-ins were such because African Americans stormed into segregated locations and sat within them and refused to leave. It was an unlawful, but peaceful action to protest an unjust law...so I guess, I mean we need to find our equivalent...personally, I think neighbors need to start taking care of neighbors and thereby the community and then we can all protest by refusing to buy things...I think tax rebelion would work...think how fast things would change even if half the U.S. said "I'm not paying until..."

Just some thoughts. I keep telling myself I need to be active in these causes...though I am nowhere near a city or a place where these things happen, I can still travel I suppose...but if I do...I want to be more than just a number...I actually want to be someone within the movement that does something...that drives people, motivates them...I just don't know how or in what way yet...

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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: FirePiston

originally posted by: 00nunya00
a reply to: DancedWithWolves

This is my whole argument about this entire thing, and all other stories like this lately-----where did those tase-from-20-feet-away weapons go? They can get you from way far away, if there isn't a gun pointed at them, why in the world don't they reach for the taser first instead of the gun?


You get attacked and fked up and lucky to have your sidearm in your own possession, in your own cruiser and your going for the tazer????????
When someone attacks a Police Officer like that, under the circumstances, imagine how this Officer felt? Threat stopped NOW. Normal humans do not respond and act like that criminal did.
Firepiston


Boo-hoo for the cop who CHOSE that job, no one forced him to choose a life of risking his own safety to PROTECT AND SERVE. This isn't some McDonald's job or conscripted draft requirement, if you're twitchy about fear and threats, then become a lawyer instead and serve justice that way. If you CHOOSE to become a cop, you'd better be doing that with clear, wide-open eyes about the reality of the risks, and not fall back on the "we're poor tender little bunnies who need to be protected against a knife" excuse. Be brave, cowboy up, or GTF off the force.
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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:20 AM
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Okay, dinner is over, half a bushel of tomatoes in crock pots and I'm catching up on this thread.
I'm only getting RT and Color of Change...looks calm...has it been calm?



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:23 AM
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originally posted by: AllSourceIntel
I guess we should clarify a meaning of "sit-in." I don't mean just sitting there...sit-ins were such because African Americans stormed into segregated locations and sat within them and refused to leave. It was an unlawful, but peaceful action to protest an unjust law...so I guess, I mean we need to find our equivalent...personally, I think neighbors need to start taking care of neighbors and thereby the community and then we can all protest by refusing to buy things...I think tax rebelion would work...think how fast things would change even if half the U.S. said "I'm not paying until..."

Just some thoughts. I keep telling myself I need to be active in these causes...though I am nowhere near a city or a place where these things happen, I can still travel I suppose...but if I do...I want to be more than just a number...I actually want to be someone within the movement that does something...that drives people, motivates them...I just don't know how or in what way yet...


Dude, I totally hear that and applaud you for not only your sentiment but also your self-honesty about what you can be doing more of. I hope to God you don't have kids or major family responsibilities at the moment, because if you don't, then get out there man!!! We need more people like yourself who are free from the burdens of supporting another person financially, because I'll tell you what, once you start a family it's all over. Your wife/husband and/or kids become the most important thing in your life, and it takes a very dangerous personal threat to do *anything* that might jeopardize your family that depends on you. If I didn't have two amazing kids to raise, I'd be in Ferguson tonight. I would have been at Occupy. I would be the chick losing her voice from screaming on a bullhorn all night. When I came up, the internet was still all AOL and email. Nowadays, it's like there's instant-action to be had because you get notified of Tweets and Facebook posts as soon as they happen. That's really the powder keg right there, and exactly why they're threatening Net Neutrality-----because instant calls-to-action that are re-tweeted 10k times per second is what is truly going to change our country. And it will only happen because the rising generation actually cares about it and knows that someone else does too and is willing to beat feet to do something about it, right at this moment.
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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:26 AM
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originally posted by: diggindirt
Okay, dinner is over, half a bushel of tomatoes in crock pots and I'm catching up on this thread.
I'm only getting RT and Color of Change...looks calm...has it been calm?



Barely a peep...some arrests here and there is all...but calm seas



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:29 AM
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a reply to: 00nunya00

A fiance and step-son in h.s...



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: 00nunya00
The counter-protester girl should have been dealt with ASAP but just forced to the other side of the street. She has a right to protest too, and honestly, she prolly was trolling but we have to assume she was just too stupid to know proper protest procedure if we want to apply the law fairly and evenly.


I agree mostly with you. However, only a totally brain-dead person wouldn't realize that sort of action would provoke reactions. If she were arrested for inciting a riot, I see the point of view of the arresting officer. Same for the guy who took the sign. He should have asked her to move to another area and escorted her to the nearest cop to be removed.
I've seen this many times. I've seen people get arrested for "disorderly conduct" for such behavior and I've seen police simply lead them away.
I was trained to engage them in conversation while someone went for a nearby police officer to escort the person out.
It is encouraging to hear that it was handled without tear gas and other projectiles.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: AllSourceIntel
a reply to: 00nunya00

A fiance and step-son in h.s...


Then teach *him*.
Bestow your passion and knowledge on him, and encourage and financially support him doing what you can't do because you love them both and don't want to lose them. Prepare him for the reality and then set that MFer off to ignite a blaze that will cause a change. Reassure him you will always be there to fall back on. Then sit back and watch him change the world.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 12:40 AM
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Fair enough, I agree. Hard to believe that she didn't know exactly what she was doing, but then again, if she did, she was willing to risk her own life for her beliefs. She was willing to become a martyr for a cause she believes in, because like I said a few posts back about violence being the only real headline-grabber that ever does any good for a movement, she understands that her side is never going to be truly heard until someone dies for it. And while I disagree with her opinion, I applaud her commitment to her cause, which is why I support these IAMB protesters as well. If they intentionally killed other unrelated innocent non-protesting people for their cause, then shame on them. But causing some violence in the form of rioting is the only thing that actually makes their voices heard nowadays, and the Rodney King riots taught all of us that. Hard lesson to un-learn.

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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 01:02 AM
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(Silence falls........)

Sigh. And so it seems that the idea of violence being the only thing that actually moves a cause forward is true after all. No rioting=no live coverage. No violence=no hard-to-keep-up-with threads about justice. The "circuses" part of "bread and circuses" proves itself to be the most important. Crickets from the protesters willing to do this peacefully, as well as from the media (even grass-roots ones) and regrettably from even our own forum.

G'night all. See you for tomorrow's "Day Of Rage" lol. I hope they pull it off.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 01:06 AM
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I'm only getting one live feed now and it's completely peaceful---a glorious sight.
Now I'm off to see what else happened in the world today and make a fresh peach pie!



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 01:08 AM
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originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: FirePiston

originally posted by: 00nunya00
a reply to: DancedWithWolves

This is my whole argument about this entire thing, and all other stories like this lately-----where did those tase-from-20-feet-away weapons go? They can get you from way far away, if there isn't a gun pointed at them, why in the world don't they reach for the taser first instead of the gun?


You get attacked and fked up and lucky to have your sidearm in your own possession, in your own cruiser and your going for the tazer????????
When someone attacks a Police Officer like that, under the circumstances, imagine how this Officer felt? Threat stopped NOW. Normal humans do not respond and act like that criminal did.
Firepiston


Boo-hoo for the cop who CHOSE that job, no one forced him to choose a life of risking his own safety to PROTECT AND SERVE. This isn't some McDonald's job or conscripted draft requirement, if you're twitchy about fear and threats, then become a lawyer instead and serve justice that way. If you CHOOSE to become a cop, you'd better be doing that with clear, wide-open eyes about the reality of the risks, and not fall back on the "we're poor tender little bunnies who need to be protected against a knife" excuse. Be brave, cowboy up, or GTF off the force.


Umm what? He served in the line of duty and did what anyone would do. I never said he should not have picked that line of work... He had to deal with any cops nightmare and did. Honorably.
Firepiston
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He did a favor to society, and society ruined this mans life.

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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 01:10 AM
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Night, nunya and sleep well.

I was actually talking to my youngest about Ferguson and then sending her off to bed. Ended up in a long conversation about protesting and whatnot, showing her some streams from the last week of how it can go well. She had an interesting moment where she expressed concern that the protesters (showed her a feed from 14th, NYC) should be walking in a different area as the people walking on the sidewalk so the people just walking don't get hurt. That was an eye popping moment. Hence the long conversation about how noone in a peaceful protest--including bystanders just walking on the street--should get hurt.

The things kids think of kind of scares me sometimes.



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