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originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: LaBTop
Here is a clear demonstration of either a big FAE (fuel/air/explosive) or a smaller TB used in rebel occupied Ukraine.
When you know the characteristics of both weapons, it's VERY obvious.
I once posted a small video of an FAE exploding like an opening umbrella, above a small house, that feature is exactly the same as you see here, in the following video :
So you agree that anything that powerful makes a big noise heard miles away ?
But we didn't hear anything at WTC ??? So no explosives.
originally posted by: Shadow Herder
10x15 foot crater
originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: 1Providence1
I would like to add that Hoover
Hardly a man I would use as of strong moral American values.
Now it you wanted an opinion on a dress . . .
H.W. also managed to block Carter from reading classified UFO and e.t. related documents when Bush was director of the CIA.
What does this man know about these phenomena that he so desperately seeks to conceal?
You are starting to mix your conspiracy theories.
Tin foil anyone ?
samkent : So you agree that anything that powerful makes a big noise heard miles away ?
But we didn't hear anything at WTC ??? So no explosives.
John Sosman :
A. The opening scene (as well as the part at the end) comes from one of the archival NIST FOIA 9/11 videos. It shows an ejection of air, or air, smoke, dust, and debris. The thing to notice happens quickly. Look for the black object being ejected. This object has been the source of some confusion. It has been theorized that it is a piece of clothing or even a body. It is neither.
B. The center of the video shows some scenes from videos made by CDI, Inc., of known, acknowledged demolitions- the first of an apartment building, and the second of a bridge. In the clips of the demolition of the apartment building, numerous black objects remarkably similar in both appearance and behavior to the black object seen at the beginning (and end) of this video can be seen at the forefront of the demolition "squibs".
In the bridge demolition video, it can be seen that the demolition charges are wrapped in some black material, which goes flying when the explosive is triggered.
If A is the black object seen in the beginning, and B represents the black objects seen in the apartment demolition, and C represents the flying black pieces which wrap the explosive charges on the bridge, it is not at all difficult to see that, in all likelihood, A = B = C.
CDI, Inc. was hired for the 9/11 cleanup job. It should be noted that CDI is a demolition company, not a debris cleanup company, although cleanup is part of their own demolition jobs.
John Sosman : Audio proof of many of the explosions is very difficult to pinpoint. Far less was recorded than was actually happening. The reason for this is quite simple: the dense curtain wall of the falling pulverized concrete and other materials muffled even loud explosions almost completely. It is hard to hear through a heavy fog, even harder to hear through one or two hundred feet of concrete cloud, which was making its own noise.
John Sosman : Probably most of the charges were planted inside the elevator shaft area, which could have been done without detection. Listen to the chief electrical design engineer of the World Trade center, Richard Hummen:
www.youtube.com...
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: 1Providence1
What "holes" do you speak of? The ones that are commonly listed on ATS are normally ones that were filled in long ago.
Another investigative report in the Philadelphia Daily News (9-16-2001) revealed that
“a three-minute gap between the time the tape (produced for the victim families last spring by the FBI) goes silent -- according to government-prepared transcripts -- and the time that top scientists have pinpointed for the crash.”
But the American people have accepted the smoke and mirrors presentation as if it were a Rosemary Woods Presidential production.
Thus, complete and unaltered transcripts from the memory chips become all the more important in determining answers regarding “bomb-on-board” and “military shoot-down” hypotheses -- totally un-addressed by Congress during recent sham hearings.
(But such compliance has likely not been provided to the families thus far, since attorney Mike Elsner revealed to us that no lawyer has had access to the original memory chips, boxes, or FBI-transcribed tapes).
TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES
“It’s extremely rare that we don’t get the recorders back. I can’t recall another domestic case in which we did not recover the recorders,” said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the NTSB. And FBI spokesman Joseph Valiquette said “We don‘t know what was said in the cockpits, by the crew members or by the hijackers.” (Associated Press, 2-24-2002)
--snip--
According to a Reuters report (11-27-2001), “the Justice Department and the FBI have so far declined to release even an edited transcript of Flight 93’s cockpit voice recorder, saying that it is evidence in a criminal investigation” -- indicating early-on the extreme reticence of the government to let the public have full access to complete and authentic transcripts compiled from raw memory chip data as to what was said in the cockpit.
--snip--
Curiously, a report only found in the New Delhi Indian Express (10-17-2001) revealed that “people involved in air traffic control said the FBI seized the air traffic tapes of the conversations with that airplane (Flight 93), and no transcript was made available of air-to-ground communications for the flight. Thus, lawyers may also need to hear the original recordings between the air traffic controllers and the cockpit.
--snip--
Ellen and Neil Mariani -- Neil Mariani could not obtain a ticket on Ellen’s plane as they traveled to their daughter’s wedding in California. So Neil purchased a ticket on United flight 175 which was hijacked by Saudi nationals living at the supposedly secure Pensacola Naval Air Base in Florida where the terrorists registered their cars and residences -- but also where a recent and mysteriously-deceased Saudi military flight instructor lived. Mrs. Mariani attends every hearing -- sitting next to her attorneys and usually staring at Judge Hellerstein.
--snip--
Mariani had continually referred to the Compensation Fund as the “Shut-up and go-away Fund,” adding that “without my day in court, I’ll never learn the truth and who did this to my husband -- let alone get justice and accountability.”
Never one to mince her words, Mrs. Mariani told us “I want to know what Governor Jeb Bush and the FBI were doing as they flew off from Florida in a military cargo plane with the terrorists’ airport flight-lesson records and other evidence connecting the Saudi hijackers to the events that killed my husband and hundreds of others. I want answers.”
“And what were [Intelligence Committee Chairmen] Senator Graham and Congressmen Goss doing having breakfast together the morning of the attacks with the Pakistani Intelligence leader who was writing checks to support the hijackers their living expenses in the United States?,” said the irrepressible Mariani. “It was even reported that Secretary of State Powell and CIA Director Tenet also met with that terrorist sponsor,” she added.
“The government may have just played the voters for a bunch of fools -- but not me,” Mariani said, promising she would “never give up, give in, or give out.”
POST :
I am guessing you will not be able -by far- to recreate what they let you believe in that NTSB flight sim recreation of the recovered CVR/DFDR data found at the Pentagon rubble heaps.
I base that on what I see in that video of captain Aimer, posted above.
One big problem I noticed however with Captain Aimers execution of that spiral :
He orders the young man to push the gas handles up to speeds over 400 knots, while still in that spiraling down trajectory. And THAT is NOT at all depicted in the CVR/DFDR, animated by the NTSB data, there we see only speeds of 270 - 320 knots while in the spiral.
Here is that animated by the NTSB, spiral down. Watch from 1:00 / 5:22 the top right meter, it shows the REAL speed inside that spiral, in Knots : www.youtube.com...
That's why I REALLY like to see someone report here that they in fact could recreate the same CVR/DFDR speeds in about the same spots inside their spiral flown on their computer, and no rudder on. Or that it is totally impossible with that same radius (or diameter) of the original spiraling down trajectory. I am guessing you will not be able -by far- to recreate what they let you believe in that NTSB flight sim recreation of the recovered CVR/DFDR data found at the Pentagon rubble heaps.
I base that on what I see in that video of captain Aimer, posted above.
Page 3 - 4 : Frequencies of waves generated by explosions are on the order of 1 Hertz (1 Hz, or one cycle per second) -- which is the case with the Rayleigh waves shown in figures 1a and 1b -- while those of crash impacts are above 10 Hz and are often around 100 Hz. Furthermore, the range of the recording instruments (0.6-5 Hz) cited does not allow for the recording of the high frequency waves that would be created by plane impacts.
As to the theory of the oscillation of the Towers to explain these signals, as defended by Irvine (2001), it is inadequate because in such a case we would have had a "square" signal of long duration and a constant amplitude, while in actuality we observe a "bell-like" signal, representing a strong and brief explosion, which is particularly evident in the case of WTC2.
Page 6 : For the time of the impact of the plane into WTC1 furnished by the 9/11 Commission, 8.46.40 (9/11 Commission Report, p. 7; Ritter, 2002), there is a hiatus of 15 seconds between the plausible time of the origin of the Rayleigh wave based on the Palisades data and the time -- afterwards -- of the crash of the plane into WTC1 based on the ground radar data.
What else but an explosion could be the origin for this seismic wave in the absence of an earthquake? A similar discrepancy exists in the data for the seismic wave and impact times for WTC2.