The SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ANALYSIS of the events of 9/11.

a reply to: LaBTop

Thus, they introduced TB's, the only possible demolition source that did not leave traces behind, did literally "blow up" individual center floors to concrete dust and gravel, and thus separated-lifted up all core columns from each other in the blink of an eye,

And just how did they rig up all these pixie dust explosives with out the day to day employees noticing anything odd?

"Hey Joe Do you have any of these wires running under foot too?"
"Yea They must have run some speakers over night."

Not one person who worked in WTC noticed anything odd.
Not one family member of the deceased mentioned things like "He mentioned weird wires running weeks ago."

Not one shred of evidence of explosives being used despite your long worded posts.

2005 is where I stopped reading the thread because you were focused on the lie instead of writing the thread compiling information you already obtained while also directing reference to the 2005 thread you had to read again.

just happened to notice the information is coming non stop. I think I'll continue reading. still nonsense though.

the connection you made between the Donald Rumsfeld announcement and what happened is false just like claiming it was a terrorist attack.
similar to a clock is how what seem to be connections are made. looking at the two parts of the clock pointing at the numbers when the longer one points at 12 the same time the shorter one points at a number there ain't a connection even though it seems that way. both are connected to all the wheels and trinkets that make the clock operate. the difference is they are separate entities if you will. that is how so many connections seem to point to the topic you are writing about but the fact of the matter is what you are claiming is similar to blaming yourself.

I'll tell you why what happened then happened which is very simply explained. something happened the day before which by way of thought was known about which created the reaction which was planned. that is basically how it happened.
the thing about the reaction though is the reaction was a lie which was revealed that day which created another reaction which is why the sequence of the events do not make sense.
for instance the first tower to collapse wasn't planned.

people were tied facing the rear of the planes which were packed with bibles and encyclopedias.

a reply to: BUCKSFiZZ Uh....what? Tied facing backwards????

Well, back to sanity.

You, the still OS-trusting reader, should once in your life try to imagine, if eventual really independent Muslim planners would have ever opted for this kind of huge attack.
They must have understood the vicious responses of the far superior Western Alliances. Who were clearly waiting a long time already, to get their citizens behind them, for a massive assault on Afghanistan's Taliban and Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

The strange thing is, you never ever see a US politician ask for an assault on Saudi-Arabia, which is clearly the source of nearly all these muslim radicals their attacks.
In fact, the US and Britain have eradicated Iraq as the biggest threat on the Saudi northeastern border, have crippled Syria and crippled Iran.
The biggest profit maker in all these Western Alliances aggressions was and still is that quiet, oil filled Saudi-Arabia.
With its most radical muslimic laws, now only countered by even more fundamentalistic laws in ISIS territory. And who were the biggest fund raisers for ISIS.? Spend some time on that, and you will find Saudi "bussiness men" contributions, and CIA front companies, banks and sources.

If you are really interested now, how all this mess developed in the last 50 years, read this honest US citizen paper by Washingtonsblog :
Sleeping With the Devil: How U.S. and Saudi Backing of Al Qaeda Led to 9/11

The 9/11 Commission report (PDF) released in 2004 said some of Pakistan’s religious schools or madrassas served as “incubators for violent extremism.”
Since then, there has been much debate over madrassas and their connection to militancy.
New madrassas sprouted, funded and supported by Saudi Arabia and U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, where students were encouraged to join the Afghan resistance.

And these are the sources I read during that time that both said the following :

As the New York Times, CBS News and others reported, an FBI informant involved in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center begged the FBI to substitute fake bomb powder for real explosives, but his FBI handler somehow let real explosives be used.

CBS News on You Tube :


This regards the FBI informant Imad Salem, who asked his FBI handlers to substitute harmless powders for the explosives the 1993 bombers had asked him for.

Another FBI source was triple agent Ali Mohamed, the former Egyptian Army Major, from the same army unit that murdered Anwar Sadat, then president of Egypt, who had a too secular leaning, according to the heinous plans of the CIA in that period. Both Egyptian and Iranian leaders had to be killed in the plans of the CIA, to make room for more US-leaning puppets. Thus, Sadat and Mossadeq died.

The first, smaller WTC attack in 1993 was evidently thus also controlled and even aided by the FBI, who even gave the real explosives to these Muslim radicals. As we know from the recorded evidence with the FBI-handlers, which Imad Salem offered his lawyer, Imad Salem was infiltrated in that group for the FBI and CIA, and warned his FBI handlers to not offer real explosives to these fanatics. They didn't listen to him.
So why should this second huge WTC attack be different from the first.?

For more references how the FBI and CIA handled their informants in the years leading to 9/11/2001, see first this page : en.wikipedia.org...

Ali Mohamed also conducted clandestine military and demolition training through the Al Kifah Refugee Center. While in the United States, he helped train a number of jihadis, like El Sayyid Nosair and Mahmud Abouhalima, who assisted Ramzi Yousef in his 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.[13]
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In 1993 Mohamed also traveled to Africa to survey embassies in Africa such as the Nairobi, Kenya embassy which Al-Qaeda later bombed.[14] He became an FBI informant.[citation needed]

To find a really huge compilation of facts from the media about mis-handling agency informants, you really have to take this small effort, since ATS still can't handle WayBack Machine long links, while Washingtonblog can (check their source code, ATS admins) :
historycommons.org... then Search there for " Ali Mohamed "

That is THE most extensive coverage of this triple-spy for the FBI, CIA and Al-Qaida.
His FBI handlers were probably the same who went on with delivering the right explosives to the Blind Sheik. Instead of dummies, like Imad Salem says he strongly advised the FBI handlers, to do.
From that Historycommons.org, its huge amount of Search results for " Ali Mohamed " :

Nov. 5, 1990 and After: US Promotes Lone Gunman Theory in Kahane Assassination, Hiding Evidence of Al-Qaeda Links :
Abouhalima and Salameh are released, only to be later convicted for participating in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Investigators will later find in Nosair’s possessions a formula for a bomb almost identical to one used in the WTC bombing. [New York Magazine, 3/17/1995] As one FBI agent will later put it, “The fact is that in 1990, myself and my detectives, we had in our office in handcuffs, the people who blew up the World Trade Center in ‘93. We were told to release them.”

Read also this chapter : 1992: Ali Mohamed Informs for FBI Again, Never Polygraphed.

Al Qaeda terrorist worked with FBI. November 4, 2001.
Everything about him and his Army and FBI handlers that reveals misconduct by the handlers, is scrubbed/destroyed.

Shortly After May 1993: Ali Mohamed Describes Al-Qaeda Training Camps, Possibly More, to US Military.
Here you have the name of Ali Mohamed's FBI handler :

When Mohamed’s FBI handler John Zent interviewed him in May 1993 (see May 1993), he mentioned al-Qaeda training camps. FBI agent Jack Cloonan, who will later investigate Mohamed, --snip--
Several years later, Cloonan will attempt to find the report of Mohamed’s interview with army intelligence but “we were never able to find it. We were told that the report was probably destroyed in a reorganization of intelligence components” in the Defense Department.

Two weeks later, after lying to a U.S. grand jury investigating the embassy bombings, he was arrested. He pleaded guilty last year, but he has never been sentenced and is once again believed to be providing information to the government -- this time from a prison cell.

The same fate as for Michael Riconosciuto.
When you read both men their life stories, it's clear how agencies protect their assets, when they still have any kind of important value. But they keep them in custody. So no one else can tap their knowledge, nor kill them. Because their role as a true CIA asset has become too clear to their former "friends" by the time they are put in protective prison custody.
Ali Mohamed's name will be on several Muslim radicals death lists, for sure. Just read all the time-line chapters of my Historycommons.org linked-story about Ali Mohamed, and my recent posts about Michael Riconosciuto.

Try Michaels family name as a Search in Historycommons.org its main page.
I get an Error 28, but not as I search directly afterwards for f.ex. " Johnson " or " Thermobaric ".
I got however three events with a Search for " ricono* ".
In the found news-articles, the full name Michael Riconosciuto does however appear.
Why can't you search for him directly with his full name, as for others can be easily done.?

Two of those ricono* links texts I thus found :

Before August 10, 1991: Source Provides Information for Journalist Investigating Inslaw Affair:

According to Inslaw owner William Hamilton and Michael Riconosciuto, another figure who becomes involved in the Inslaw affair, Nichols is Casolaro’s primary source of information in his investigation into the alleged theft of the PROMIS software.

(1992): Former DEA Agent Makes Claims about PROMIS Software

According to Coleman, the DEA’s objective in aiding the implementation of this system in these countries was to enhance the United States’ ability to access sensitive drug control law enforcement and intelligence files. Coleman adds that a DEA agent was responsible for both the propriety company, Eurame Trading Company, Ltd.; and its initiative to sell “PROMIS(E)” computer systems to Middle Eastern countries.

Apparent Link to Case against Michael Riconosciuto :
Coleman also says he believed this same DEA agent’s reassignment in 1990 to a DEA intelligence position in Washington State prior to the arrest of Michael Riconosciuto in March 1991 on drug charges was more than coincidental. Riconosciuto has also made a number of claims about PROMIS. According to Coleman, the agent was assigned to Riconosciuto’s home state to manufacture a case against him. Coleman says this was done to prevent Riconosciuto from becoming a credible witness concerning the US government’s covert sale of PROMIS to foreign governments.

Riconosciuto never used drugs, and his mining lab, after raiding by the DEA, showed no signs of any chemicals normally needed for methamphetamine production. His chemicals were well known in the mining trade, for determining specific ore compounds, such as Uranium.
There were also no traces at all found around his premises for drug manufacture.
Classical set-up case.

It seems the US needed a firm and most recent information grip on all friendly and unfriendly countries their drug cases monitoring, via this PROMIS software free ride..
That gave/gives them a huge advantage, to inform their own drug running operations by the DEA and CIA and god knows how many more agencies involved with such highly profitable "sting" operations, to steer away from those investigations. In fact its a free ride for any US led secret drug trade.

September 27, 1994: Justice Department Issues Report Saying ‘No Credible Basis’ for Inslaw Claims

But Inslaw received a millions of dollars compensation after going to high court....The Janet Reno DoJ era was not the most reliable of all.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: LaBTop

""LT : Thus, they introduced TB's, the only possible demolition source that did not leave traces behind, did literally "blow up" individual center floors to concrete dust and gravel, and thus separated-lifted up all core columns from each other in the blink of an eye, ""

samkent : And just how did they rig up all these pixie dust explosives with out the day to day employees noticing anything odd?
"Hey Joe Do you have any of these wires running under foot too?"
"Yea They must have run some speakers over night."
Not one person who worked in WTC noticed anything odd.
Not one family member of the deceased mentioned things like "He mentioned weird wires running weeks ago."
Not one shred of evidence of explosives being used despite your long worded posts.

Your arguments are stale, outdated and plainly ridiculous by now. How many times already did I post that video interview with a real demolition expert, Tom Sullivan, who worked for the Loizeaux family of world fame, explaining to the Sam Kents of this world, that radio-controlled triggers were available a long time already before 9/11, were reliable and much faster and easier to install by the demo-technicians than wiring the whole building.
But were seldom used. because in the end, mostly more expensive than good old wiring, which in the minds of the firms owners were also 100% reliable, while in fact both were reliable enough for demo work. Thus it depends on dollars, what choice you make.

If you do think that a false flag operation that 9/11 clearly was, had to consider such minor costs for radio controlled TB-triggers, compared to the overall costs of such a huge operation, than you need a reality check-up.

And if you think that this misfired TB, actually used in Chechnya by the Russians, no bigger than a small waste bin, will attract attention if camouflaged as a waste bin, standing in the hall ways on the core column elevator floors, or hidden away in the ceiling spaces, or in the elevator shafts, you are bordering delusional.

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is a clear demonstration of either a big FAE (fuel/air/explosive) or a smaller TB used in rebel occupied Ukraine.
When you know the characteristics of both weapons, it's VERY obvious.
I once posted a small video of an FAE exploding like an opening umbrella, above a small house, that feature is exactly the same as you see here, in the following video :

www.youtube.com...


www.veteranstoday.com...

Responses at Veterans Today on their Nuke theory article :

Kat Kan February 15, 2015 at 12:47 pm :
This story is about something in AUGUST. (LT : last year)

The huge crater being posted in February is from a big explosion in February (LT : Feb 7th, 2015). which was also being touted as nuclear by people who don’t know what they’re talking about. The February one was caused by a simple Tochka-U which they know because they found the remains of it.
Here are all 4 known views of the Feb 7 blast
www.youtube.com...
this is the crater
www.youtube.com...=55
which makes a lie out of the claim in this article about :
“..If it leaves a crater bigger than 5 feet deep then it was over 2 thousand pounds in size, thus it was not conventional.”
as the Tochka-U is only a 500lb warhead. Besides, there are numerous pictures of craters 10 or 12 ft deep in suburban streets, from smaller missiles.

In ANY CASE nuclear explosions ALWAYS cause radiation. Ukraine has 6 nuclear power stations so is full of radiation monitoring stations. There are hundreds of these in all nearby countries, too. They would NOT keep quiet about a nuclear explosion right next door.

So, more facts and less silly speculation please.
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I don’t understand Mr Duff. You know this article is based on a falsified video…
*** www.youtube.com... ***
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Here is a video that Veterans Today has not seen I think, video of the crater after the explosion maybe they have seen it I do not know
www.youtube.com... (LT : the same link as by Kat Kan)
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Recently there was another highly similar ‘rocket attack’ around Donetsk. The video is of a security camera recording it.
www.youtube.com...

One thing is sure, they found my long ago posted TB Pressure History diagram.

Did you hear and see the enormous blast wave from these FAE or TB rocket loaded explosions, in the above video with the four viewpoints on that nightly huge detonation above a chemical factory in Donetsk, Ukraine.? Over such vast distances.!

www.youtube.com...


Backgrounder on Russian fuel-air-explosives also known as vacuum-bombs
A very informative, long paper about the wide spread use of FAE's and TB's in the war in Chechnya, in late 1999.
9/11 was two years later, every agency on earth monitoring that war, learned a lot in those 2 years, about TB's and FAE's, and how to use them.
They obliterated a whole huge chemical factory with that one FAE or TB rocket attack, this February the seventh.

In addition to classic FAE munitions, Soviet scientists have also developed other "enhanced-blast" munitions, particularly reactive-surround and slurry-explosive blast warheads. Both types of warheads work on the same principle by which the explosive is dispersed and mixed with atmospheric oxygen before the detonation process is completed. The destruction, death, and injury are caused by the blast wave. Reactive-surround warheads are thin-walled containers filled with combustible aluminum and nitrocellulose. Slurry-explosive warheads are a mixture of a high explosive or other explosive solid mixed with a combustible liquid.

In other words, crude TB's.

Used in large numbers, fuel-air explosives and other blast weapons (LT : they mean TB's ) can have enormous destructive effects. When multiple FAE warheads are exploded, the different blast waves reinforce each other, increasing their destructive power.(4) The effect of blast weapons is also compounded in buildings and other enclosed spaces, and is twelve to sixteen times more destructive than conventional high explosives against targets with large surface areas, such as frame buildings, bunkers, and vehicle shelters.(5)
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According to a separate U.S. Central Intelligence Agency study, "the effect of an FAE explosion within confined spaces is immense. Those near the ignition point are obliterated.

That's the main reason over 1000 victims remains were never found, not even the smallest identiviable tissue remains. The two weeks long pit fires could be another reason.
In other long fires, there's always some remains recovered, carbonized bones or fragments of them.

All three collapsed WTC towers were steel frame buildings.
Do you still think TBs or FAE's were not used on 9/11, inside those 3 collapsing Towers.?

Do you also think that Russia will ever allow no buffer zone between their territory and the next NATO capitalist country, Poland.?

While the USA gets immediately totally upset and in a war frenzy, when any form of socialism or communism threatens to come near their borders?
See perceived US-threats such as : Cuba, Venezuela, Panama, Granada, and the whole of Middle America when socialism returned to these very poor countries.
Mexico is already a long time neutralized by the US. If a pure socialist government would ever rise there, they would invade, or intervene.

Can you now at last see through the propaganda on TV in the US and Europe, regarding the Ukrainian "civil" war.?

The US hawks are busy trying to encircle Russia, but can't circle China. And that's the next thing they are working on, bringing China back in their camp. They have come a long way already, obviously.
It seems China is not really happy with that idea, and is strengthening ties with Russia again, thus blocking any US full encircling of Russia.
And more dangerous, they are increasingly stealing industrial secrets from the West, and are sharing them with Russia, to get on terms with the NATO level of military sophistication.
They learned that from the US and Britain, who do this already from the beginning of capitalism, they steal from their allies....all the time. And those are waking up to these facts too, lately.

It's increasingly getting unpleasant for the hardcore US hawks, it will be interesting to see what stupid move they will opt for next. Or will there be some logic left in them? Or, are they instead, really only interested in global hegemony.?
The latter seems the case.
Let's see if the China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Brazil secret treaty will form such a huge block against this hegemony, that the US think tanks will not resort to plain out war planning again.

2.1 (American) trillion are about 3 years of American military spending. Just to put that number into perspective. A forbe busting fortune for one man, but just a good chunk of cash for those who are at the top tier presiding over the world economy. Certainly not significant enough to set 9/11 into motion.

originally posted by: Merinda
2.1 (American) trillion are about 3 years of American military spending

What 2.1 trillion are you babbling about?

a reply to: Merinda

2.1 (American) trillion are about 3 years of American military spending.

No that was the total defense budget for the previous 8 years.

a reply to: LaBTop

Here is a clear demonstration of either a big FAE (fuel/air/explosive) or a smaller TB used in rebel occupied Ukraine.
When you know the characteristics of both weapons, it's VERY obvious.
I once posted a small video of an FAE exploding like an opening umbrella, above a small house, that feature is exactly the same as you see here, in the following video :

So you agree that anything that powerful makes a big noise heard miles away ?
But we didn't hear anything at WTC ??? So no explosives.