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MALBOSIA : A lot of the pans should be torn, but they should still be there, not "shredded", which I personally would accredit with blown, if they were in fact shredded.
You did embellish a bit there, with the "tons of photos".
Those are floor pans yes, but I don't know if they were from 1 and 2 and not from the other buildings crushed below, or even the bottom floors of 1 and 2 that may not have been blown.
If what seems obvious, was actually true - the concrete was blown out of the building - that would obviously have some effect on the floor pans. Because there has been no reasonable explanation for the fountain of powder, I have to go with concrete. As you put it, it is the "most realistic option". At least when you observe it on its own, and not observing it under the influence of an OS that would require me to shape my observation to fit my preconceived notions.
You can claim that I am ignoring the floor pans posted to fit MY preconceived notion, but not knowing where the photos were taken, and which building they were from is leaving my notion in the realm of very realistic. We are looking for millions of square feet of floor pan. They would be a major portion of the debris.
The main factors leading to the rapid fire growth and the fire spread to almost all floors included:
the lack of effective fire fighting measures, such as automotive sprinklers
the “open plan” floors with a floor area of 1000m2
the failure of vertical compartmentalization measures, in the facade system and the floor openings
It was believed that the multiple floor fire, along with the simultaneous buckling of the unprotected steel perimeter columns at several floors, triggered the collapse of the floor slabs above the 17th floor. The reduced damage below the 17th floor might provide a clue.
The fire protection on the existing steelworks below the 17th floor had been completed at the time of fire except for the 9th and 15th floors. When the fire spread below the 17th floor, those protected perimeter columns survived, except for the unprotected columns at the 9th and 15th floors which all buckled in the multiple floor fire (see Figure 2). However, they did not cause any structural collapse. Obviously, the applied loads supported by these buckled columns had been redistributed to the remaining reinforced concrete shear walls. Nevertheless, structural fire analysis should be carried out before such a conclusion can be drawn.
(Fig. 2. Two photos of buckled unprotected perimeter columns at the 9th floor.)
On the other hand, the reinforced concrete central core, columns, waffle slabs and transfer structures performed very well in such a severe fire. It is clear that the structural integrity and redundancy of the remaining parts of the building provided the overall stability of the building.
Sources of Information
BBC News Online / World / Europe - UK Edition (13 Feb 2005)
Dave, P. (2005). “Madrid tower designer blames missing fire protection for collapse ”. New Civil Engineer, 2 June 2005.
[NILIM 2005] National Institute for Land and Infrastructure Management (NILIM). (1 Jul 2005). “Report on the Windsor Building Fire in Madrid, Spain”, Japan (in Japanese).
The nature of the fuel-air explosives has been described as "extremely high-tech and unusually powerful -- SCI Special Ticket" -- just as used to describe the stolen technology by Hercules representatives. Shortly after the Oklahoma bombing Michael Riconoscuito revealed to Gunderson that "that bomb was one of mine."
As experienced in the Trade Center, this would create a significant blast force focused both downward and upward. Again, as in Oklahoma, there would be a pronounced sphere of destruction, as was indeed found in the Trade Center, where the blast punched through several layers of concrete floors in both directions.
Virginia McCullough 9/12/99
Re: Lockerbie investigative notebooks destroyed.
Could it be that this action on the part of Scotish police
and Scotland Yard was simply more "smoke and mirrors" I
would be willing to guess that the notebooks that were most
sensitive and needed to be destroyed were those belonging to
the McKee team.
It is difficult for any intelligent person to watch this
scenario play out over the years and not understanding the
connection of the McKee Team to the following people:
CIA Agent Michael Riconosciuto of Inslaw fame.
CIA Agent and arms dealer Robert Booth Nichols who,
according to Michael Riconosciuto also went by the name
English businessman and CIA asset Ian Stuart Spiro and
his wife, Gail Quarton Spiro. Spiro's wife, Gail, and
all three of their children were murdered at a "safe"
house in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif. on or about November
1, 1992. Ian Stuart Spiro was found in the Borrego
Springs desert either (depending upon which report one
believes) 1) shot to death, 2) beheaded [or] 3)
poisoned by cyanide. Spiro worked with Church of
England's Terry Waite to help get the American hostages
released. He was often called "America's last great
asset in the Middle East". He was also a business
partner with Monzer M.Alkassar and had Alkassar's
business card in his home for the company, ALKASTRONIC
located in Austria. Spiro's other business associates
were drug and arms dealer Robert Booth Nichols, Sir
Denis Kendall who had sat on Winston Churchill's war
cabinet, savings and loan scam artist Robert Corson
,who also abruptly died in November of 1992, and
Spiro's uncle ToTo - otherwise known as Salvatore
Riina, the boss of bosses of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra
who in 1992 was busy blowing up Italy's bridges and
monuments in order to kill Italian prosecutors. In
1992 Spiro was also trying to peddle the torture,
killing tape of Wm. Buckley. Spiro's bank was BCCI (the
bank of crooks and criminals) and it was BCCI that paid
the McKee team its unsigned travelers checks. When #103
fell from the sky, manna reigned from heaven.
Monzer M. Alkassar, arms and drug dealer, whose
dealings go right to the top of the US government.
Look for Oliver North and George Bush to not ant this
can of worms open. After all, druggie George Bush Jr.
had to get his drugs cheaply somewhere. They called
the supply line "The Enterprise".
These, then, are the players that really sealed the fate of
the people on Pan Am 103 and the townfolk of Lockerbie. Now
it should be clear why the US in going after the "bad guy"
Saddam Hussein and his two little "terrorists"?
Virginia McCullough vmccu...@hotmail.com
Virginia McCullough 9/16/99
Your comments are well taken. But what about the note books
of the McKee team that were being brought home showing the
amounts of heroin and other drugs that had been diverted
from the so-called DIA/DEA "sting" operation? For every
monitored drug shipment there were six times more
unmonitored drug shipments. The McKee team was coming home
to bring the chickens home to roost. These are things that
George Bush Sr. and Jr. did not want to happen. Remember
that the names I named previously in this series of postings
are all "to the right of Attila The Hun". That group of
people can be traced directly back to the JFK assassination
through Garrison's primary grand jury witness, Fred Lee
Crisman (AKA Jon Gold). Look for Gold's book [out of print
and hard to find] "Murder of a City - Tacoma" where he
discusses being called to Garrison's grand jury. Gold also
speaks of the genius of Michael Riconosciuto, then a 13 year
old electronic wiz, busy tapping the phones of the police
and sheriffs' departments because law enforcement was
interrupting his father, Marshall's drug business. Michael
has often described himself to me as a "chicken" to the
CIA's perverted "chicken hawks". As a VERY young man he
accompanied "Dr." John Philip Nichols to Chile to assist in
the assassination of Allende. "Dr." John Philip Nichols was
also a member of the bungling CIA team that repeatedly
attempted to assassinate Fidel Castro. (See index of hard
copy edition of "Inside Job" by Steve Pizzo, et al)
I am pointing out to you that this is "Famalia" - a
generational thing that goes back to "who has always held
Virginia McCullough 9/16/99
Hi Loyd Cole:
I do not doubt that the police took video of the crash.
However, what about the CIA operatives that came by
helicopter and were on the scene almost immediately removing
briefcases and notebooks. The question that must be
answered to determine that 'pictures speak louder than
words' is "was the police video taken before or after the
CIA thieves arrived?"
I believe videos are extremely important to Pan Am #103's
demise. One of my very reliable sources tells me that
another video was on board - that of the torture murder of
It would be greatly appreciated by journalists everywhere
AND the relatives of Gail Spiro if anyone in the chat group
could post everything they might know about the slaughtered
family of Ian and Gail Spiro. Both of these adults might
have long been members of various intelligence agencies.
BUT THEIR THREE CHILDREN WERE INNOCENTS MURDERED IN THEIR
BED IN A 'SAFE HOUSE' IN CALIFORNIA!
There is no fact-based technical account of the World Trade Center collapses. This is verifiably true beyond doubt. The true collapse modes of the Twin Towers are not accurately determined within any academic, professional or government literature.
Where did the technical records of the collapses go?
The main thesis is that there is no fact-based historic record of the collapses. The true collapse modes of the Twin Towers is not accurately determined within any academic, professional or government literature. It is described incorrectly within history as it is being written. There are, however, millions of people that are falsely certain they know what happened because they believe verifiably incorrect authoritative statements and their own pre-conceived beliefs.
Direct measurements extracted from the visual record of the collapses grossly contradict history as it is generally presented. A record of measurements and documented observables of all 3 collapsed buildings on a level far more intricate than that which previously existed has been presented. The record is verifiably superior to and grossly contradicted by the record provided by U.S. Government agencies.
In reality there is no scientific approach and, therefore, no technical history of the collapses at all. This is a verifiable statement.
Created on 04/14/2012 10:17 AM by admin
Updated on 10/11/2014 11:14 PM by admin
It is believed that experts have reached conclusions by taking the available evidence as far as it can go, verifying claims directly when possible, and some type of accurate professional and academic consensus had been reached about how and why the towers collapsed the way they did.
It is commonly believed that the result of this consensus currently represents our most complete and in depth knowledge on the collapses to date and that the information which comprises history as it is most currently portrayed is worthy of teaching future generations for their benefit.
Within this book the author proves, in a way that can be cross-checked and verified by the reader, that none of these beliefs are correct.
I would like to add that Hoover
H.W. also managed to block Carter from reading classified UFO and e.t. related documents when Bush was director of the CIA.
What does this man know about these phenomena that he so desperately seeks to conceal?
West face of WTC 1 :
What are the characteristic features of the initiator (initial movement to steady state) portions of the curves? (Measured along 2 points: roof-line and crush front)
* Crush front seems to start on floor 95
* Quick take off velocity
* Short transitory phase (reaches steady state velocity and acceleration rapidly)
It is clear that such evidence points to only one natural mode of possible progressive destruction: The OOS model.
Current knowledge of WTC perimeter action with the discovery that the entire north half of the WTC1 core survived the initial collapse leaves little doubt that complete OOS destruction, essentially stripping the OOS flooring from both the perimeter and the core, was the mechanism by which the collapse propagated down the tower. Runaway OOS Destruction (ROOSD) is the only known descriptive collapse propagation model which matches observations.
4) Observation of core and perimeter columns within the rubble
The overwhelming majority of core and perimeter columns within the rubble were were seen to be relatively straight, showing no evidence whatsoever of having been buckled. The almost complete absence of buckled columns is a vital clue to the true collapse progression mechanism, though the NIST seems oblivious to this fact, not having mentioned it once in in it's reports on the collapses. Dr Bazant, to whose expertise the NIST refers concerning WTC1 collapse propagation, seems equally oblivious to the actual condition of these columns since no mention of this fact appears of his papers on the subject of collapse propagation (Bazant and Verdure or Bazant and Le). Dr Bazant formulates equations to describe the rate of collapse propagation based on continuous column buckling and rebuckling in Bazant and Verdure, even though there is a clear absence of buckled columns within the rubble.