We have not yet reached the advancement of Noah's era.

originally posted by: Jesuslives4u

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: edward777

Its always a bad idea to start off an idea by including in it the Biblical flood. Putting an imaginary event into anything kinda makes it toast before you even get started....

I always smile when I read how many people reject the flood even though it is a story known around the world, stories and drawings found in caves around the world concerning the flood.

Not discounting the story of the flood here, but the story of some guy that built a boat big enough for two of every animal on earth......

LOL

SO he had Kangaroos and Koalas on board and after the boat settled on mount Ararat, the Roos and Koala's made their way back to Australia and somehow their passage back home (bones and fossils etc along the way), was erased.

Same for all the other critters on board from other regions.

The entire story is a bunch of total crap.

And anyone who believes the bible as fact in every way, should be committed..

a reply to: Seede

You planning on sourcing any of that?

I certainly have this by the way:

Encyclopedia of American Loons - #453: Mark Armitage

We cannot pass over Mark H. Armitage, however. Armitage was an Adjunct Professor of Biology at Azusa Pacific University, a religious college, and received a “Masters Degree” from the regionally unaccredited Institute for Creation Research. Graduate School. Currently Armitage is affiliated with the Creation Research Society, and operates and maintains a working electron microscopy lab there (what a waste of resources), as well as serving on the Board of Directors.

He graduated in May 2007 from Liberty University's School of Education, and is currently a doctoral candidate at Liberty. In short, he has no – and apparently no intention of getting – any actual education. Still, Armitage has actually published in Parasitology Research (Germany) and Microscopy and Analysis (England) as well as in several U.S. Publications. Indeed, he has somehow managed to become president of the Southern California Society for Microscopy and Microanalysis and a member of the American Society of Parasitologists. In other words: real credentials for the Institute of Creation Research (although some of his publications, which have little to do with creationism, have been heavily criticized by real experts).

The man is a fraud and you've been suckered in by your confirmation bias.

But of course this link and the (unsourced) quotes you posted are just back and forth tit-for-tat. Did you actually read his paper? Like I said earlier, he NEVER radiometric dated the horn. He just found soft tissue and then declared, "Well soft tissue can't survive for millions of years, therefore it's only 4000 years old." Terrible science.

a reply to: Ironclad2000

The Hebrew language is very limited, for example, the word to the East and from the East from the story of the Towel of Babel is the same, even though their meanings are opposite. They used bodies of water, river, and probably sea and ocean interchangeably. We don't know if God actually told Noah to take every animal on Earth, or just the animals in his area(how could he have taken all the animals in China or Australia?)

In addition, proving that the clams on Mt Everest is million of years does not disprove the flood altogether(actually, I can't find the dating for it). In addition, how did they die closed? When they die, their muscles get weaken and they open up. The only way they die closed is that they die, and then immediately get fossilized or petrified. How did this happen?

a reply to: np6888

According to the bible, Noah collected two of each animal on earth.

That means Koalas, Kangaroos and Pandas would have had to have been collected (otherwise they would not exist today).

The impossibility and improbability that one man and his family could travel the earth and bring 2 of each of the worlds 3 billion plus different species of mammals, reptiles, amphibians, insects, etc ...., is a pretty big feat to accomplish in such a short time. Let alone fill a rickety wooden boat with them all.

The story of Noah is utter tripe..!!

At least as it is explained in the bible.

A localised event that did not effect the rest of the world is more likely.

The theory of a flood or upheaval of some kind is plausible. Meteor strike in the ocean that effected a local area for one.

But a vengeful god...? Please..!!

The fossils on Mt Everest and other high peaks in the region could indeed signify a catastrophic event at some point in history. But these fossils are millions of years old, not thousands. Think logically. If there were such an event in our recent history, the earth would still display the scars and many land masses would be void of life today. China, India and Nepal's wildlife have been around and thriving for hundreds of thousands of years, which means these fossils can't be recent, because if they were, the other wildlife in the region would have been wiped out 100%. A region that large dose not recover from something like that in a few thousand years.

a reply to: occrest

However, spiders tend to be territorial, so when the researchers tried to set up spider farms, the spiders killed each other.

We truly are no better than insects are we?

All this crap is cyclic. There have been multiple previous human civilisations. I do not believe for one minute that "god" destroyed them. I believe that we destroyed ourselves each time. Either things got out of hand and technology caused a cataclysm be it physical or biological, or we wiped ourselves out through warfare. We are at a point where its only a case of when, but not if, we will do it again. This time around has been prophesied/predicted to be destroyed through fire.

The elite are aware, and are prepared. They have the means to escape, not with the use of underground bunkers, but through the use of space stations, either in space or on other bodies like the moon or Mars. These are the "gods" of old. These are the ones who come down from the heavens in their spacecraft, to shape civilisation in their image. They would appear as gods to the tribal, "primitive" people who's history was nothing more than faded traumatic memories and Chinese whispers of what used to be.

Atlantis is often referred to as a civilisation that had it all, then fell. Much like ours. We had it all, we had the best standard of living in all of known/accepted human history. But now it is in decline and falling. It will be gone eventually, and descendants of the survivors will be telling tales of this civilisation in the same way we tell tales of Atlantis.

Anyway, did you know that Caucasians are the descendants of Japheth? Remember the map I showed before? It doesn't show where Japheth settled(search around though, and you should find a map that shows where Japheth settled), but one can reasonably conclude that he settled North, which is right around the Caucasus area. I find this site interesting and probably very accurate:

www.soundchristian.com...

Now if you look at the DNA map, you can see that the point M(Towel of Babel) is pretty much the same location as the DNA-migration map I showed before. I'm not sure of the translation of the word Japheth and Ham, but that would be remarkable if true. Basically, Caucasians are the descendants of Japheth, Blacks and Asians are descendants of Ham, Shem didn't populate a lot. wiki Japheth and you can see that certain European countries can trace their lineage back to Japheth. Regardless, if you ignored the dates, then it's clear that we didn't descend from Blacks.

Here's what happened: God created pre-historic man(the mankind mentioned during the 7 yoms), then he created Adam and Eve, then he saw that prehistoric men were too dumb and violent, so he wiped them out(there's a myth from the 19th century that prehistoric men would club women in the head, drag them back to their cave and rape them, and if you wiki Cro-Magnon, you'll see a fossil that indicates trauma to the head. If you considered how rare it is to find a fossil of humans, to be able to find one like that suggests that this practice was indeed widespread.

Anyway, the point here is that any archaeological evidence pointing to the origin of man for hundred thousand of years does not falsify the Bible, as God created multiple humans at different times.

a reply to: Firefly_

I doubt it.

There are far too many professional people in the world today to render our civilisation back t the stone age.

Even if 99% of the worlds population were wiped out tomorrow, many people from different walks of life all over the world, who do survive would carry the knowledge and have the ability to re-build.

Think about how long it took a few settlers in America with knowhow, who started with little to nothing, to go from a few thousand, to 400 million and create the worlds most advanced industrialised nation in just a few centuries.

Modern humans and modern civilisation can take a few knocks, but our ability to re-build and re-establish is what separates us from past (primitive), civilisations who didn't have the diversity in ranks in the aftermath of an event to carry on or re-build.

a reply to: Ironclad2000

The Bible doesn't tell everything. Like I've said, they don't mention Noah's daughters, It's also possible that God created more animals after the flood but it doesn't get mentioned(just like not all stories except for Abraham's get mentioned).
Also, did you know that in Vietnamese, land and Earth are almost interchangeable(literal translation of Earth is "circle of land.") Earth is a very modern word, and is actually a name for our planet. It's possible that by earth, they mean land, though I'm not certain.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

TextBut of course this link and the (unsourced) quotes you posted are just back and forth tit-for-tat. Did you actually read his paper? Like I said earlier, he NEVER radiometric dated the horn. He just found soft tissue and then declared, "Well soft tissue can't survive for millions of years, therefore it's only 4000 years old." Terrible science.

And your credentials are?
Your disregard of facts are well understood. Your ignorance of science is also well understood. You are not educated but only informed in this matter of which we had discussed.

LOGOS RESEARCH ASSOCIATES
"The most widely known form of radiometric dating is carbon-14 dating. This is what archaeologists use to determine the age of human-made artifacts. But carbon-14 dating won't work on dinosaur bones. The half-life of carbon-14 is only 5,730 years, so carbon-14 dating is only effective on samples that are less than 50,000 years old. Dinosaur bones, on the other hand, are (claimed) millions of years old -- some fossils are (claimed) billions of years old. To determine the ages of these specimens, scientists need an isotope with a very long half-life. Some of the isotopes used for this purpose are uranium-238, uranium-235 and potassium-40, each of which has a half-life of more than a million years. Unfortunately, these elements don't exist in dinosaur fossils themselves. Each of them typically exists in igneous rock, or rock made from cooled magma. Fossils, however, form in sedimentary rock -- sediment quickly covers a dinosaur's body, and the sediment and the bones gradually turn into rock. But this sediment doesn't typically include the necessary isotopes in measurable amounts. Fossils can't form in the igneous rock that usually does contain the isotopes. The extreme temperatures of the magma would just destroy the bones."

Even at this Dr. Mark Armitage is not the first to be targeted by the Darwinist Inquisition. There are other scientists that have not agreed with the old age theology of the world institutions.

From Logos Research Associates
….In 2005, Dr. Mary Schweitzer of North Carolina State University published a ground breaking discovery (see article 1). She and her team of researchers dissected a fossilized Tyrannosaurus rex femur to find inexplicably preserved bone marrow. Two things made this unearthing astounding. First, if the fossils are really millions of years old, they should be completely fossilized by now. Fossilization is the process in which original boney material is replaced by hard minerals. However, in this case, the soft inner parts of the bone were found unfossilized with intact bone marrow. The marrow consisted of soft tissues and intact blood vessels that maintained their elasticity. This is incredible! How could soft, stretchy tissues be preserved in dinosaur remains that evolutionists claim are no younger than 65 million years old? Even in the best state of bone preservation, the soft inner parts should have completely rotted away long ago.
Dr. Schweitzer’s breakthrough publication almost a decade ago has set the stage for additional investigations by many other scientists (see article 2, 3, 4). Since then, the discovery of soft tissues in dinosaur bones has become fairly common (even among different dinosaur species) demonstrating these are not just rare exceptions or anomalies. The latest dinosaur soft tissue finding was a Triceratops specimen found at the Hell Creek formation of Montana by well-published microscopist and former instructor at California State University, Mark Armitage and his colleague Dr. Kevin Anderson of Arkansas State University (see article 5). Their analysis of a Triceratops’ horn showed that it contained original bone, soft tissue, and even complete and exquisitely preserved “bone-building” cells called osteocytes.

As in the case of Schweitzer’s T. rex fossil (see article 1) and other dinosaur soft tissue discoveries like it (see article 2, 3, 4), all the original tissue, both hard and soft, should have wholly disappeared, due either to decay, or to mineral replacement if these bones were millions of years old. The original bone has, however, been preserved down to the most minute detail, as has the soft tissue running through it, including intact blood vessels. As with Dr. Schweitzer’s findings, these tissues were elastic and flexible. Armitage’s research produced breath-taking high resolution micrographs of osteocytes—the tiny cells which, when living, repair and maintain the bone. These detailed micrographs are comparable to those taken of modern bones. (Permission to display published photographs is pending).

Regrettably, those whose worldview requires that dinosaurs lived millions of years are very eager to dismiss the evidence of soft dinosaur tissue (see article 6), but the evidence is now coming from many different scientists (see above links), who are studying a diversity of dinosaurs bones, and publishing in numerous, prestigious scientific journals. Even more disturbing than the attempts to dismiss or discredit the work of these researchers, some of these people are lashing out at the scientists who are making these discoveries. We are very saddened and disturbed to report that Mark Armitage was fired from his position at California State University just days after his paper was published on line.

Schweitzer earned a B.S. in Communicative Disorders from Utah State University in 1977, and got a Certificate of Secondary Education in Broadfield Science from Montana State University in 1988. Under the direction of mentor Jack Horner, she received her Ph.D. in Biology from Montana State University in 1995. Based at the North Carolina State University, Schweitzer is currently researching Molecular Paleontology, molecular diagenesis and taphonomy, evolution of physiological and reproductive strategies in dinosaurs and their bird descendants, and astrobiology.[6]

Now chew her up as you like to denigrate the brilliant. After you get done with her there are many many more out there who are not Darwinist Worshipers, like yourself, who know the truth. Once this fable of millions of years has been disapproved then honest progress may have a chance in science instead of atheistic grants to buy science. These are called science politicians.

a reply to: Seede

My credentials are apparently better than yours since you can't seem to figure out how to source your claims. You also apparently are lacking in the ability to use the ex tags for content from an external source.

But here you go for the Schweitzer case.

Mysteriously Intact T. Rex Tissue Finally Explained

The researchers also analyzed other fossils for the presence of soft tissue, and found it was present in about half of their samples going back to the Jurassic Period, which lasted from 145.5 million to 199.6 million years ago, Schweitzer said.

"The problem is, for 300 years, we thought, 'Well, the organics are all gone, so why should we look for something that's not going to be there?' and nobody looks," she said.

The obvious question, though, was how soft, pliable tissue could survive for millions of years. In a new study published today (Nov. 26) in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences, Schweitzer thinks she has the answer: Iron.

continued:

Iron is an element present in abundance in the body, particularly in the blood, where it is part of the protein that carries oxygen from the lungs to the tissues. Iron is also highly reactive with other molecules, so the body keeps it locked up tight, bound to molecules that prevent it from wreaking havoc on the tissues.

After death, though, iron is let free from its cage. It forms minuscule iron nanoparticles and also generates free radicals, which are highly reactive molecules thought to be involved in aging.

"The free radicals cause proteins and cell membranes to tie in knots," Schweitzer said. "They basically act like formaldehyde."

Formaldehyde, of course, preserves tissue. It works by linking up, or cross-linking, the amino acids that make up proteins, which makes those proteins more resistant to decay.

Maybe it would help to keep up to date on your controversies so you don't look foolish posting outdated information. It wasn't even hard to find that article. I just googled Mary Schweitzer and it was the third link. Science updates its information all the time, it would behoove you to do the same thing.

Hey Guys just clocking in,hope your good!

Great thread OP.. this is right down my street..

First let me say,i strongly believe, all that is thought of as myth.. is indeed accounts of true events,although sometimes encrypted.As others have said,if you research 'all' native teachings and scripture worldwide, they correlate exactly-that being,there was indeed a global flood (not just once) and also interaction with other 'entities' explained away as gods.

I come across a lot of interesting info when researching Planet X/Nibiru/Brown Dwarf,which for the record has a 3600 year orbital period around our Sun..

now.. this object from what i have researched, was indeed responsible for Noah's flood,so that would be 3 cycles ago 10,800 years ago (give or take a bit) There is evidence in geology/nature and so on. *i strongly recommend looking into the works of Dr.Immanuel Velikovsky* He documented all the evidence we need to know, of how the Earth experienced a global deluge circa 1600bc and the cause.. was a celestial body,which consequently caused a pole shift-which we are in the early stages of.

Dr.Velikovsky was marginalized by mainstream science-no doubt because He had uncovered a monstrous can of worms that the public should not know..and the cover up continiues.

Anyway..here is a site with Noah's Ark,located at Mount Arrarat (as the Bible says)

www.arkdiscovery.com...

Here we have whale bones discovered high up in the Andes (similar to Velikovskys finds worldwide)
www.dhakatribune.com...
Now,to me science has been infiltrated and funded by the 'bad guys' and a lot of it is baseless theories regurgitated and distributed/taught as fact,to prevent the real truth revealing itself.

Now lets take into account,that Planet X is responsible for exceptional plate movement (happening now) and this is what creates mountain ranges in a matter of hours,on the day of pole shift,so i am wary of mainstream arguments of how rock strata etc, are created and there chronology.

Here is just one example of a sunken city..there are 200 in the Mediterranean alone!..there have clearly been many civilisations that have come and gone,sunk beneath the waves due to plate movement (Indonesia is sinking steadily currently,on the day of the shift, it too will disappear underwater,thought only as a myth by future generations)
news.nationalgeographic.com...


Also thought of as a myth..here is a great example of a petrified forest that was uncovered last year off the Welsh coast..proving! myths are not just that,i.e. myths..celticmythpodshow.com...
news.nationalgeographic.com...

I have just tried to locate the links,explaining that there are petrified forests either side of the Atlantic,both dated to 3600 years ago-i can't find them at the mo..hmmm? anyway,they should in my thread Planet X/Nibiru the thread (part deux)

Here is a site i would advise as a go to,for all the current info and sightings,relating to the matters i have brought up in this post.. poleshift.ning.com...

Stay good Guys

a reply to: Buddyman

Would you care to explain where all the water went after the flood receded?

After thinking about it, the only way for clams to die closed is if sediments fall over them over time, then they die and can't open up due to the sediments, OR something caused the sediments to drudge up and crushed them all at once.

Interesting story about Gog and Magog:

www.geographicus.com...

Seems to me like he was describing the Mongolians(the Mongolians have light skin. Their eyes became that way only after moving over there, and having weak occipital bones. Keep in mind that Asia is a very general term that does not necessarily delineate among genetic lines. In fact, according to some Indians, their origin is the Aryans. And if you read the link above, you can see that Japheth's descendants included Indians). Now one thing to keep in mind about prophecies is that they only see "visions," so can never be entirely accurate. But if you take into account the fact that the Mongolians destroyed everything in Baghdad and a lot of our history(the true city of Christ?), and that the Great Wall was built to keep out the Mongolians, I'd say this prophecy is fairly accurate(note that if someone reads history and tries to alter or intentionally fulfill a prophecy, that doesn't count. In this case, though, I highly doubt the Mongolians knew anything about revelation, so this is "natural.")

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Buddyman

Would you care to explain where all the water went after the flood receded?

And where it all came from in the first place!

Meh, I'll just save them the time and say divine intervention.

originally posted by: Jesuslives4u

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: edward777

Its always a bad idea to start off an idea by including in it the Biblical flood. Putting an imaginary event into anything kinda makes it toast before you even get started....

I always smile when I read how many people reject the flood even though it is a story known around the world, stories and drawings found in caves around the world concerning the flood.

I always laugh when people claim there was a worldwide flood but can't cite an iota of testable evidence to prove it. Here's your chance to cite that evidence. By the way, no one is denying that various floods happened -- just the Biblical Noah's world-wide flood. I'd also like to see a cave pictograph/petroglyph that depicts a world-wide flood. I'm sure you'll have a photo handy and the details about the exact location of such a pictograph/petroglyph.

a reply to: Buddyman

TextFirst let me say,i strongly believe, all that is thought of as myth.. is indeed accounts of true events,although sometimes encrypted.As others have said,if you research 'all' native teachings and scripture worldwide, they correlate exactly-that being,there was indeed a global flood (not just once) and also interaction with other 'entities' explained away as gods.

Great post Buddyman,
Have not finished your references but is very well presented. Good reading.

a reply to: skalla

Why not? If God created the flood, then why can't he withdraw the water? Anyway, if carbon dating is valid for only 60,000 years(which I'm assuming is the point when the amount of carbon is too small for carbon dating to work), then how do they know the age of these clams? If let's say the shells stopped disintegrating the moment they become petrified, then how can they possibly know when the shells died? If they keep disintegrating, then well, we wouldn't be able to find them at all, as shells disintegrate completely after 1700 years.

originally posted by: np6888
a reply to: skalla

Why not? If God created the flood, then why can't he withdraw the water? ....

I pigs fly, then why can't they fly to the moon?

a reply to: Tangerine

You're assuming that everything has to happen "naturally," I assume that things can happen supernaturally. Which of us is making this a loaded question? I say unless you can go back in time 6000 years ago, or be everywhere at once in both time and space, you can't rule out anything. In fact, you can't even be sure that there aren't UFOs that just appeared and disappeared in some parts of the Sahara, Siberia, etc. right now. You can't be sure that there aren't UFOs trying to control global warming (don't know about you, but it seems a lot less hot here than in past summers, and we're well into August already), or helping reducing the effects of nuclear radiation at Fukushima right now(well, they've done that already, just making a point here). Heck, you can't be sure that they aren't the ones who fixed Chernobyl and restored wildlife, when no one was "looking."