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originally posted by: cloaked4u
a reply to: fleabit
A hepa filter. I almost burst a gut laughing at that, considering i use to make hepa filter parts a long time ago. he,he,he,he. wow. HEY, i got a hepa filter in my vacumnn cleaner, should i feel safe now. Still not worried about ebola, i would be more worried of a lightning bolt coming down.
originally posted by: cloaked4u
a reply to: grandmakdw
Dude, if that story is true then everyone on the plane got it. WHY Because the planes air system is shared and blown thruout the plane.
originally posted by: fleabitAirlines keep a fairly decent control on air quality.. they must, as having to produce their own air supply for humans is kind of a big deal.
originally posted by: cloaked4u
a reply to: grandmakdw
Dude, if that story is true then everyone on the plane got it. WHY Because the planes air system is shared and blown thruout the plane. All of those people on that plane would of gotten sick or got ill depending on a persons immune systems. Every one of them would of got what the kid had. Did you ever ask or know how many people 3 to 4 days later became ill. NO# 1 cause for vacationers on planes who later get ill on vacation. Sick people on planes going home. Same thing goes with children in school. Usually the person sitting next to a person who is caughing and sneezing transferes that on to the other people around them and children are usually the ones who don't wash hands and spread that mucus on door handles all over the place causing YOU, who touch such things without knowing, to get sick. Anything the kid touched that day when he she was sick. Then your child brings that home to your house. Then YOU, and your family get sick. GERMS are everywhere in your environment. Go to the mall and touch every handle, then ich the inside of your nose. BINGO, you get sick.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper
Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Rezlooper
Yeah.. she's wrong. You want to ignore the fact that she popped up to speak about it when she can profit from it, fine. Many other, much more qualified scienists have explained why it is not the danger that is claimed.
I have read obsessively about Ebola. It has a low R Nought that is a calculation used to decide basic rate of reproduction. Lots of factors, but Ebola has an R Nought of about 1 (and up to 4 in extremely rare cases). Meaning someone infected will likely one other person. It also kills very quickly and is only spread through bodily fluid. We have much more to fear from airborne viruses. Measles has an R Nought of between 12 and 18. That means every person infected with the measles is likely to infect a dozen or a dozen and half other people, now that's a contagious disease.
The reason it spreads well in third world countries is simple. They have dirty water, poor healthcare facilities, reluctance to approach healthcare and government workers, they believe it's a conspiracy to end bushmeat (among other conspiracies), and they have burial rituals that bring them into contact with their dead.
None of these problems exist in first world countries.
Though Ebola is aggressively infectious, which means that those infected are highly likely to get sick, it's not very contagious, - Dr. Gupta
So yes, I may not be more qualified, but I am right and she is wrong. You should listen to me, i'm not trying to sell you anything.
If you want to understand R Nought: Basic Reproduction Number
originally posted by: fleabit
Dude, if that story is true then everyone on the plane got it. WHY Because the planes air system is shared and blown thruout the plane.
Yes, except that the air passes through HEPA filters that block out around 99.5% of particles, including all bacteria and particles carrying a virus. So no.. the rest of the plane would have not gotten sick. In fact, a plane recycles the air around 20 times an hour, versus an office, which only recycles it around 12 times an hour. And typically with no filtration. So a plane is actually more filtered and safe air-wise then a typical office building.
And I am far from fear-mongering... and trying to tell folks things like "you can't catch this from someone who is not symptomatic," and yet, I am more fearful of this than any other scare in the past. H1N1, SARS, etc.. I didn't think those were huge deals at all. This is a huge deal. I think many are treating it too flippantly, yourself included.
The flu itself is much worse (so far).. it kills a -lot- of people every year. This is.. so far.. much tamer.
But make no mistake.. if containment is not made, this can be a devastating, worldwide pandemic. 21 days is a long time to carry this around. The biggest spread would be the first day or two of someone showing symptoms. If this escapes to other continents, I think the # of dead will easily be in the 100's of thousands. And it could be much, much worse.
Acting as if the chance of someone catching this is along the same lines of being struck by lightning as you stated, is ridiculous.
originally posted by: Rezlooper
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper
Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.
Well of course, Hollywood has to make money so they have to make it as over-the-top as possible, but at the same time, I'm sure directors want to be informed as possible on what they are making a movie about, IMO anyways. Whether they follow that information or not is up to them, based on money and ratings.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Rezlooper
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper
Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.
Well of course, Hollywood has to make money so they have to make it as over-the-top as possible, but at the same time, I'm sure directors want to be informed as possible on what they are making a movie about, IMO anyways. Whether they follow that information or not is up to them, based on money and ratings.
I am in no way downplaying the seriousness of Ebola as a disease, but I am telling you that it is not the wildfire plague everyone wants to make it out to be.
originally posted by: Rezlooper
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Rezlooper
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper
Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.
Well of course, Hollywood has to make money so they have to make it as over-the-top as possible, but at the same time, I'm sure directors want to be informed as possible on what they are making a movie about, IMO anyways. Whether they follow that information or not is up to them, based on money and ratings.
I am in no way downplaying the seriousness of Ebola as a disease, but I am telling you that it is not the wildfire plague everyone wants to make it out to be.
Tell that to the West Africans.
originally posted by: tinker9917
originally posted by: Painterz
Unless it becomes airborne, there's really no reason to worry.
I disagree completely.
As I posted in another thread:
I, myself, am worried about this. In my job, I interact with about 120 people on a daily basis that have interacted with many others who have also interacted with 100+ other people on a daily basis. That easily becomes thousands of people interactions per day that could spread this in no time without even knowing I've been exposed (which then comes home to my family).
So ya, this worries me.