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Writer of The Coming Plague warns "you are not nearly scared enough about Ebola"

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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: cloaked4u
a reply to: fleabit

A hepa filter. I almost burst a gut laughing at that, considering i use to make hepa filter parts a long time ago. he,he,he,he. wow. HEY, i got a hepa filter in my vacumnn cleaner, should i feel safe now. Still not worried about ebola, i would be more worried of a lightning bolt coming down.



Just because you actually have no idea how airlines manage air quality, or how effective those filters are.. or anything else, it's ok.. you can use false bravado to try and pass it off like you know what you are talking about. Putting together air filters hardly qualifies you to speak about airline maintenance, air quality, or anything else. The fact you didn't even know about them pretty much says you are speaking from a position of ignorance. Airlines keep a fairly decent control on air quality.. they must, as having to produce their own air supply for humans is kind of a big deal.

I don't think folks are scared of Ebola exactly.. I just hope governments take it more seriously than some of you do. They haven't so far.. and by the time they decide it might be rather important, it will probably be too late.




posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: fleabit

you go by what the airline companies say about the air filtration system, not on actual inspection of the devices yourself. You still on thin ice. Until you actually inspect the unit, you have no idea when the filter was changed, what is the rating on the filter ,what can machine do, what is the capacity and when is it to be inspected or changed out again. For all we really know is that joe blow didn't look at it today, he just signed off on it so he could take a longer lunch break. We only go by what they say. Thats the point. Ever see the movie airplane. I hope your pilot is not that one. Altho they say their planes are safe and yet pilots and co pilots fall asleep, drink, and don't follow all the checklists for a speedy flight. I just don't believe all the hype people say. PEOPLE will say anything, so you buy into their hype and fly with them instead of some other flight. So no. I will not 100% believe that the air on board a plane is totally safe. So no, planes are not totally safe. Ever heard of the malaysian airline. I guess that was another SAFE FLIGHT by malaysian airlines.


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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 01:13 AM
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Maybe your magical air filtration device should of sucked up that germ, then you would of not got sick, but you did anyways. Even if the kid was in the back and you were in the front. You have no idea which way the air," IN THE PLANE" was traveling. So yeah, it is VERY possible everyone on the plane could of got sick, let alone an ebola virus being blown around in the plane. I guess hepa filters out which way the air blows.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 02:12 AM
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originally posted by: cloaked4u
a reply to: grandmakdw

Dude, if that story is true then everyone on the plane got it. WHY Because the planes air system is shared and blown thruout the plane.


Actually, air on a plane comes from the engine from the outside air, then blown to the cabin then out of the plane. It is not recirculated. There's absolutely no way for a sick person on a modern jetliner to spread his/her disease through the A/C.

People get sick from airplane A/C when engine oil or other toxic substances from the engine gets into the A/C intake which is in the engine itself. Sickness resulting from engine contaminants getting into aircraft A/C tend to be neurological in nature and can cause brain damage, even death in the most severe cases.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 02:21 AM
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originally posted by: fleabitAirlines keep a fairly decent control on air quality.. they must, as having to produce their own air supply for humans is kind of a big deal.


A/C air on a modern jetliner comes directly from the engine's air compressor (outside air) and is not recycled but rather blown back to outside air.

A jetliner's quality of air cabin is directly related to engine condition. A poorly maintained engine is capable of contaminating cabin air with neurotoxins which can be worse than biological contaminants.
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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 04:56 AM
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a reply to: Rezlooper

Fear, doom, scare-porn.

Fear does not help at all.

Preperation and a calm mind does.

Be aware, but do not fall for the fear-mongering.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: cloaked4u
a reply to: grandmakdw

Dude, if that story is true then everyone on the plane got it. WHY Because the planes air system is shared and blown thruout the plane. All of those people on that plane would of gotten sick or got ill depending on a persons immune systems. Every one of them would of got what the kid had. Did you ever ask or know how many people 3 to 4 days later became ill. NO# 1 cause for vacationers on planes who later get ill on vacation. Sick people on planes going home. Same thing goes with children in school. Usually the person sitting next to a person who is caughing and sneezing transferes that on to the other people around them and children are usually the ones who don't wash hands and spread that mucus on door handles all over the place causing YOU, who touch such things without knowing, to get sick. Anything the kid touched that day when he she was sick. Then your child brings that home to your house. Then YOU, and your family get sick. GERMS are everywhere in your environment. Go to the mall and touch every handle, then ich the inside of your nose. BINGO, you get sick.


I believe it is true. I had the same problem when on a bus. The dufus behind me was coughing and sneezing behind me, for the best part of my 30 minute journey. That night I had the worst fever and night-sweat I ever had, and my pillow was covered in green slime the color of cucumber. It didn't stop being produced for at least two weeks and went into my lungs. Ended up coughing up lots of little whitish-yellow blobs all the time.

Now, If any person starts coughing next to me when on the bus, I'll just get off at the nearest stop.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 05:38 AM
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Just a thought……. if the outbreak carries on as many think it will for a number of months then what about 'migratory birds' acting as hosts / carriers and aiding the spread of the virus…?

West Africa is a place where many European birds fly to and from and would this possibly become an issue at a later date…?


On a slightly 'LIGHTER' note………. read the following…..

waterfordwhispersnews.com...

PDUK

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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 05:57 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

What about the most tested immunological system of any Animal on the Planet?
We live in a globally connected super colony of 7 + billion and its going up.

Human Immune system: 7 Billion
Ebola : Less than 10000 deaths ever.

Either it is new- in which case it will need to be maintained by technology and would probably become obvious.

Or (and this is more likely) Ebola (and most other diseases such as HIV) appear in human populations where the environmental pressures permit it.

Heard a weird theory about Atmospheric nuclear testing during the late 20th century causing radiation based immune system suppression on the populations of Lowlands Africa as that is where most of the fallout from the testing fell.

Diseases that are present but suppressed by the human system or are transferable from Animals that share the environment would naturally appear when the environmental situation weakens the human immune systems to allow it to spread.






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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 08:05 AM
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This whole notion that it will not be bad because it is not airborne really confuses me. Being a mom of 3 kids I can tell you the cold and flu bug really doesn't spread all that fast because of airborne particles from sneezing and so forth. It spreads like wildfire because people/kids sneeze in their hands and then touch a door knob, wall, desk, etc. Don't get me started with the grocery cart handles. People blow their noses and push their carts touching things all over the stores. Then there are the restaurants where employees don't get sick days if they want to keep their jobs or need to pay bills. If you or your kids come in contact with any of the above and then scratch your nose or rub your eye, you are going to get sick. So, don't tell me it's not going to be bad because it is not airborne. Some of the worst this Mom has seen came from stuff that was spread just like Ebola. This is super scary stuff.
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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

This a manufactured virus.


You are not alone in this supposition.

I haven't come across many of your posts on the boards, but what I've seen is insightful and beyond my contention.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper

Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.



Well of course, Hollywood has to make money so they have to make it as over-the-top as possible, but at the same time, I'm sure directors want to be informed as possible on what they are making a movie about, IMO anyways. Whether they follow that information or not is up to them, based on money and ratings.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Rezlooper

Yeah.. she's wrong. You want to ignore the fact that she popped up to speak about it when she can profit from it, fine. Many other, much more qualified scienists have explained why it is not the danger that is claimed.

I have read obsessively about Ebola. It has a low R Nought that is a calculation used to decide basic rate of reproduction. Lots of factors, but Ebola has an R Nought of about 1 (and up to 4 in extremely rare cases). Meaning someone infected will likely one other person. It also kills very quickly and is only spread through bodily fluid. We have much more to fear from airborne viruses. Measles has an R Nought of between 12 and 18. That means every person infected with the measles is likely to infect a dozen or a dozen and half other people, now that's a contagious disease.

The reason it spreads well in third world countries is simple. They have dirty water, poor healthcare facilities, reluctance to approach healthcare and government workers, they believe it's a conspiracy to end bushmeat (among other conspiracies), and they have burial rituals that bring them into contact with their dead.

None of these problems exist in first world countries.




Though Ebola is aggressively infectious, which means that those infected are highly likely to get sick, it's not very contagious, - Dr. Gupta


So yes, I may not be more qualified, but I am right and she is wrong. You should listen to me, i'm not trying to sell you anything.

If you want to understand R Nought: Basic Reproduction Number


Well, let's hope you're right. I've heard that as well through all of this that it's not very contagious, but at the same time, I'm hearing this particular strain may be different from past strains, thus, the reason for it spreading so quickly throughout West Africa as it has. It would appear more contagious than past forms. Also, this may be why so many question whether it has become airborne.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: fleabit

Dude, if that story is true then everyone on the plane got it. WHY Because the planes air system is shared and blown thruout the plane.


Yes, except that the air passes through HEPA filters that block out around 99.5% of particles, including all bacteria and particles carrying a virus. So no.. the rest of the plane would have not gotten sick. In fact, a plane recycles the air around 20 times an hour, versus an office, which only recycles it around 12 times an hour. And typically with no filtration. So a plane is actually more filtered and safe air-wise then a typical office building.

And I am far from fear-mongering... and trying to tell folks things like "you can't catch this from someone who is not symptomatic," and yet, I am more fearful of this than any other scare in the past. H1N1, SARS, etc.. I didn't think those were huge deals at all. This is a huge deal. I think many are treating it too flippantly, yourself included.

The flu itself is much worse (so far).. it kills a -lot- of people every year. This is.. so far.. much tamer.

But make no mistake.. if containment is not made, this can be a devastating, worldwide pandemic. 21 days is a long time to carry this around. The biggest spread would be the first day or two of someone showing symptoms. If this escapes to other continents, I think the # of dead will easily be in the 100's of thousands. And it could be much, much worse.

Acting as if the chance of someone catching this is along the same lines of being struck by lightning as you stated, is ridiculous.


Thank you for some common sense, fleabit. You're right, if not contained, it will be a big deal.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper

Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.



Well of course, Hollywood has to make money so they have to make it as over-the-top as possible, but at the same time, I'm sure directors want to be informed as possible on what they are making a movie about, IMO anyways. Whether they follow that information or not is up to them, based on money and ratings.


So then why try to prop up her cred by mentioning that she consults with Hollywood?

If this thing were anywhere near as bad as the doom porn scare-mongering going on here is trying to convince us it is, we would have been up to our eyeballs in the plague a long time ago because it would already have jumped continents.

Seriously, go do some research on Spanish Flu and how quickly it spread around the entire world in a time when global transit was much slower than it is today even with the need for speedy troop transit. Now, bump that up to today's flight times and ease of travel because that's the kind of virus you are fear-mongering for. If Ebola was that bad, it would have jumped out of Africa in the early summer at the latest ... but it hasn't. Why not? It's not like anyone has been taking any special precautions to keep it from doing so.

It's only recently that it's made its way to Lagos, Nigeria, and put Uganda on high alert, and those are still African nations.

I am in no way downplaying the seriousness of Ebola as a disease, but I am telling you that it is not the wildfire plague everyone wants to make it out to be.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper

Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.



Well of course, Hollywood has to make money so they have to make it as over-the-top as possible, but at the same time, I'm sure directors want to be informed as possible on what they are making a movie about, IMO anyways. Whether they follow that information or not is up to them, based on money and ratings.



I am in no way downplaying the seriousness of Ebola as a disease, but I am telling you that it is not the wildfire plague everyone wants to make it out to be.


Tell that to the West Africans.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: Rezlooper

It's very similar to Zaire and has been called Zaire. Zaire was said to have a 90% mortality rate, but those outbreaks were older and that's with no healthcare. I suspect it's mortality rate in actuality is the same as this strain and Sudan (which is around 60% i think).



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Rezlooper

Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.



Well of course, Hollywood has to make money so they have to make it as over-the-top as possible, but at the same time, I'm sure directors want to be informed as possible on what they are making a movie about, IMO anyways. Whether they follow that information or not is up to them, based on money and ratings.



I am in no way downplaying the seriousness of Ebola as a disease, but I am telling you that it is not the wildfire plague everyone wants to make it out to be.


Tell that to the West Africans.


And much of the problem in those countries is that the local population is ignorant and lives in third world conditions with no medical superstructure to speak of. They resist measures that would help them contain the disease like disposal measures of the bodies. People are afraid of the medical personnel who have come in to try to help.

And when I say wildfire, I mean spreading like a wildfire. And even as bad as things are in Africa ... consider the overall population of the countries affected. The infection rates are still relatively low compared to the population as a whole.

None of that makes it better for you if you happen to be one of the unlucky ones who gets ill. Ebola is horrifying and an almost certain death sentence, especially in Africa, but it's not spreading like the flu would ... or even the Black Death, really.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: tinker9917

originally posted by: Painterz
Unless it becomes airborne, there's really no reason to worry.


I disagree completely.

As I posted in another thread:


I, myself, am worried about this. In my job, I interact with about 120 people on a daily basis that have interacted with many others who have also interacted with 100+ other people on a daily basis. That easily becomes thousands of people interactions per day that could spread this in no time without even knowing I've been exposed (which then comes home to my family).

So ya, this worries me.


The more humans that Ebola infects, the bigger the chance of a mutation I think. Being in the age of air travel, someone with the disease could end up in the U.S. before they are known to have Ebola, and then seek medical attention. Ebola spreads in a limited manner through body fluids.

However, as the number of entrances of infected patients into the U.S. increases, I suspect that the chance of perfect health containment will decrease. So one person could come into the U.S. and cause a few more cases. That is pretty scary considering the 90% fatality rate.

That much looks likely to me, I'm not sure what could happen after and I'm not sure how easy it would be for the virus to mutate.

Ebola Virus - CNN



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 08:00 AM
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I don't see what all the worry is about. The reason it is such a problem in the area it is in now is because of lack of education and their culture. The dead are brought home and taken care of by family members, who kiss the body etc, and then the rest of the village comes to do the same later on.

Ebola is spread by human juice exchange or whatever you want to call it. Such as kissing a dead body in the cultures where it's spread is becoming a problem.

You can sit beside someone with Ebola and you won't get it as long as you don't come into actual contact with their or their juices.



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