Writer of The Coming Plague warns "you are not nearly scared enough about Ebola"

a reply to: Rezlooper

Message to Laurie,

Everytime I try to ramp it up with the fear?
All I get is a big raspberry. Sorry!

If I may suggest some reading material, as I may not get the chance to write the thread I had considered on this topic.

USAMRIID, perhaps the foremost leader in knowledge of biological agents and their threat level for use against other human beings...prints a book. Within this book are listed every biological warfare agent or potential agent a USAMRIID epidemiologist is likely to encounter. Ebola is given a section of it's own. Within this section, they look a bit at each of the 4 (5) subtypes and how they relate to a USAMRIID person encountering it in the wild.

Ebola is not listed in a biological warfare book, by the way, because it's a likely warfare agent, and that is explained. It's listed because in hunting a warfare agent, they may come to find it's natural Ebola they're dealing with ...and hence...a detailed section on it.

Also within those pages of information is a VERY CLEAR indication, stated more than one way and in more than one place. EBOLA MAY VERY WELL BE AIRBORNE.

That isn't to say it's communicable (contagious) through being carried on the air, the same way Flu or the Rhino Virus may infect a whole school or hundreds of people having seen a movie in the same theater. Nothing like that is suggested. However, contact with aerosol fluid IN THE AIR is, according to that and other data, strongly suspected as a method of transmission for Ebola, including the Zaire variant. Aerosol is like the mist from sneezing or the flecks coughed into open air and the 2-3 feet carried until it settles onto a surface.

I'm not going to link the USAMRIID handbook I have, as this is one I honestly believe people need to find and read, knowing it's as reliable as their own efforts can insure it by the source one independently finds it by. My handbook is 2011, before anyone would have had any reason to alter a word...for public concern issues over what is said.

For those who take the few minutes to go find a copy out there...you're going to find the media and even officials making statements define the concept of white lies and fibs "for the greater good", as I am SURE they honestly believe they are doing it for ....but nothing replaces knowing the truth as those having to handle it, know it to be.

a reply to: skitzspiricy

Jesus, that's crazy. Here is a link to another breaking story about the clinic that was looted. A bunch of Ebola patients fled the clinic as people were looting it and they fled out into the city, West Point, that has 50,000 residents.

Fears of new infections as clinic is looted

“All between the houses you could see people fleeing with items looted from the patients,” the official said, adding that he now feared “the whole of West Point will be infected.” Some of the looted items were visibly stained with blood, vomit and excrement, said Richard Kieh, who lives in the area. The incident creates a new challenge for Liberian health officials who were already struggling to contain the outbreak. Liberian police restored order to the West Point neighborhood Sunday. Sitting on land between the Montserrado River and the Atlantic Ocean, West Point is home to at least 50,000 people, according to a 2012 survey. Distrust of government runs high in West Point, with rumors regularly circulating that the government plans to clear the slum out entirely. Though there had been talk of putting West Point under quarantine should Ebola break out there, assistant health minister Nyenswah said Sunday no such step has been taken. “West Point is not yet quarantined as being reported,” he said. Ebola has killed 1,145 people in West Africa, including 413 in Liberia, according to the World Health Organization. Other countries across Africa are grappling to prevent Ebola’s spread with travel restrictions, suspensions of airline flights, public health messages and quarantines. Nigeria appears to be making progress in containing the disease. The country has 12 confirmed cases of Ebola, all of which stem from direct contact with the Liberian-American man who flew to Nigeria late last month while ill. He infected several health workers before dying. Since then three others have died in Nigeria from Ebola, according to figures released over the weekend.

The site I linked has a pretty good collection of stories about the Ebola outbreak.

I am shocked at all the Ebola plague deniers out there, people who refuse it believe
#1 that it will spread to the westernized nations
#2 that it is not difficult to spread

The media and world governments are scamming all of us to try and keep the panic down.

It is not "airborne" but can be caught from sneeze droplets of an infected person.
virologydownunder.blogspot.com...

The "cure" is embedded in a tobacco plant that has to be grown. There will never be enough grown to stop the plague in time. Quarantining the entire region is the world's only hope.

Here is the most common comment about it being airborne: Although airborne infection can be made to occur in a lab, there is no evidence for airborne droplet nuclei spreading EBOV from person-to-person or between non-human primates whether inside or outside the lab.

Yet when enormous amounts of say an artificial sweetener produce cancer in mice, the media and other "scientists" are quick to say, this happened in the lab in mice, so even the tiniest amounts in humans can produce cancer. We see this sort of lab science projected onto humans all the time, quite regularly.
So why the opposite with Ebola? Only, in my opinion, to avoid panic in the world and over reaction.

This quote from the article noted above is intended to calm the masses, but read between the lines people:
For a virus described as spreading only through direct contact, recommendations for the use of masks, implying airborne spread to many, fuel such questions. In fact, face protection is recommended to prevent infectious droplets landing on vulnerable membranes (mouth and eyes).

a reply to: Rezlooper

Remember the sick doctor? He landed at the airport in Lagos and was taken to hospital there when he collapsed at the airport. He become combative when he was told he had Ebola and peed on health care workers. Many of them then became ill. Of course, they did their best to quarantine all of the people who were exposed to him, but I think at least one of the nurses fled when she become ill.

All of these people were in Lagos.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01
a reply to: Painterz

And of course your extensive qualifications and background in this field will carry enough weight to call Laurie Garrett out on this i guess

Peter Piot (the guy who "discovered" ebola) says he'd sit next to a sufferer on the Tube..I trust him over a doom porn author with bills to pay.
What a scientist says
In terms of is this the end- ask yourself one question: Where did Ebola come from?
If Ebola has the ability to wipe out every human on the planet- why has it not happened so far?

Don't worry. All we need is colloidal silver and bicarbonate of soda and all your Ebolas will clear right up.

Regardless of the western health system, fact is if its airborne it becomes a huge problem. How over 150 health workers contracted Ebola without it being airborne is beyond me. The excuses of the workers being in bad environments is poppycock assuming of course it isn't airborne.

Will it bring the end of mankind? Rubbish. Our health system and understanding is well enough to handle such an incident, the damages however could be unimaginable.

What concerns me in regards to the odds of it being airborne is, what exactly was the DoD doing in Sierra Leone for the past decade? Aside from their stated goal.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
I am shocked at all the Ebola plague deniers out there.

The media and world governments are scamming all of us to try and keep the panic down.

It is not "airborne" but can be caught from sneeze droplets of an infected person.

The "cure" is embedded in a tobacco plant that has to be grown. There will never be enough grown to stop the plague in time. Quarantining the entire region is the world's only hope.

Agreed. How can anyone deny the serious threat of this disease. Sure, we all hope and pray it's contained and remains in Africa, but how can one deny the simple fact that it poses a grave danger. At this point, it's an epidemic (in Africa) and if it escapes Africa, it will become a global epidemic. The author in the OP also made comments on how any cure or vaccine won't be available in time before next year and also, if trials are performed, people won't know that it truly worked and may start having contact with others a bit prematurely creating other problems. Containment of the disease may be the only hope of stopping it.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01
a reply to: Painterz

And of course your extensive qualifications and background in this field will carry enough weight to call Laurie Garrett out on this i guess

Peter Piot (the guy who "discovered" ebola) says he'd sit next to a sufferer on the Tube..I trust him over a doom porn author with bills to pay.
What a scientist says
In terms of is this the end- ask yourself one question: Where did Ebola come from?
If Ebola has the ability to wipe out every human on the planet- why has it not happened so far?

Don't worry. All we need is colloidal silver and bicarbonate of soda and all your Ebolas will clear right up.

Well, Doc, if we're talking cancer again, then I agree with you 100%

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Yes it might be, but it takes very specialized circumstances for you to catch Ebola from that form of airborne transmission. You have to be so close and it has to contact just right at the right time in the right way. Ebola virus just isn't that durable out side the body unlike cold and flu.

The problem is that you say "airborne" and everyone thinks like the cold and flu.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Nah.. sorry for that author, but she's wrong. It's not airborne and that's the important factor. The virus in contagion was implied to be airborne and was insanely infectious.

It might do horrible things in Africa, but it will be stopped in it's tracks in firs world countries.

She just wants to get her name in the news because she has a product to sell and it relates to epidemics and plagues.

IF ebola was truly on the cusp of becoming a global problem, be assured that the authorities will confirm it only when they absolutely have to. which will be at the last possible minute. by which time it would probably have become impossible to deny anyway. or contain.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Rezlooper

Nah.. sorry for that author, but she's wrong. It's not airborne and that's the important factor. The virus in contagion was implied to be airborne and was insanely infectious.

It might do horrible things in Africa, but it will be stopped in it's tracks in firs world countries.

She just wants to get her name in the news because she has a product to sell and it relates to epidemics and plagues.

So Vic, the author of a book on plagues, one who is actually consulted by Hollywood for these types of movies, doesn't know what she's talking about, but you do? Can you help us out with what your background on infectious diseases is, so that we know what level to take your word on the subject.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Hollywood? You do realize that Hollywood's plague movies are the last thing you should be citing to support the impeccability of your source, and I say that as someone married to a man who works with infectious organisms for a living. He says Hollywood's plague movies are crap.

I can venture to guess that the folks saying that Western medicine will keep them safe in an Ebola outbreak have never had a serious illness.

As someone with a variety of chronic health issues, I can assure you that Western medicine has failed me a multitude of times. And it is just getting worse year by year. Even something as simple as diagnosing a dislocated patella confounded them (even after I told them what it was).

You think they're going to know Ebola when they see? Ha.

originally posted by: Painterz
Unless it becomes airborne, there's really no reason to worry.

"Phylogenetic analysis of the full-length sequences established a separate clade for the Guinean EBOV strain in sister relationship with other known EBOV strains. This suggests that the EBOV strain from Guinea has evolved in parallel with the strains from the Democratic Republic of Congo and Gabon from a recent ancestor and has not been introduced from the latter countries into Guinea."

www.globalresearch.ca...

It's a distinct [new] form of Ebola, this is its first outbreak.

They are testing someone in NM for it now.

Hope it's a just a simple cold.

link

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes it might be, but it takes very specialized circumstances for you to catch Ebola from that form of airborne transmission. You have to be so close and it has to contact just right at the right time in the right way.

Really? Does it take "specialized circumstances"? Let me ask you something....When, among the handful of outbreaks and contact with Ebola since it was discovered, did they have the opportunity to figure all that out?

There is one constant I found in reading the technical and real data about this thing, as opposed to what the media repeats and then so many repeat from THAT repeat. Words and terms like "Appears to"..."Strongly Suspected"..."Unknown" and "Thought to be" were all over and in ways rarely ever seen for other diseases outside early emerging examples.

They literally cannot say, beyond guess work, WHERE this even comes from. Some sources and scientists think Monkeys or Primates...which I disagree with personally ..and many others think Bats. Still others think it's something else and just can't be sure. Some people say food can't spread it..and yet one case is factually documented as vectoring from a dead primate butchered by a villager in the jungle ..to very quickly produce 19 cases among those in the village. ...and one more "We KNOW something about this" ...goes down like bowling pins on free beer night.

Stanford University has a log of outbreaks you can find and download that give a summary with some detail of every outbreak, with zero case details and relevant facts on every outbreak known to have happened. Reading that was new for me..and wasn't helpful. It wasn't helpful because it showed just HOW much NO ONE knows about this bug for literal lack of exposure and time to learn it under diverse conditions.

So...when people say Ebola "must" this or that or need "Specialized" whatever to work? I just think to myself... "Yeah... Perhaps...Until we learn it doesn't."

This a manufactured virus.

The codes it is carrying were specifically engineered to function. I imagine infected moskito larva are carrying it.
Just my hypothesis tho.

This ebola scare will die unless its continually fed the specific engineered form of this Ebola. Because it will transfer and altere the engineered codes within the hosts and will lose its deadly characteristics.

The only way this could be a pupetual plague is if it is constantly maintained. Even then. Humans will become immune to it just like how a large portion of people infected with HIV are carriers without signs of infection ( Clumping or damage to cells and phages)
When people cannot be carriers or people who were fighting infection passively seeming like a carrier when they are actually infected, Which leads to AIDS.

I think we are seeing attempted population control by some corperate entities with some microbiological laborities. Whipping up some infected batches of maskitters to bite and such blood and spread spread spread.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Yeah.. she's wrong. You want to ignore the fact that she popped up to speak about it when she can profit from it, fine. Many other, much more qualified scienists have explained why it is not the danger that is claimed.

I have read obsessively about Ebola. It has a low R Nought that is a calculation used to decide basic rate of reproduction. Lots of factors, but Ebola has an R Nought of about 1 (and up to 4 in extremely rare cases). Meaning someone infected will likely one other person. It also kills very quickly and is only spread through bodily fluid. We have much more to fear from airborne viruses. Measles has an R Nought of between 12 and 18. That means every person infected with the measles is likely to infect a dozen or a dozen and half other people, now that's a contagious disease.

The reason it spreads well in third world countries is simple. They have dirty water, poor healthcare facilities, reluctance to approach healthcare and government workers, they believe it's a conspiracy to end bushmeat (among other conspiracies), and they have burial rituals that bring them into contact with their dead.

None of these problems exist in first world countries.

Though Ebola is aggressively infectious, which means that those infected are highly likely to get sick, it's not very contagious, - Dr. Gupta

So yes, I may not be more qualified, but I am right and she is wrong. You should listen to me, i'm not trying to sell you anything.

If you want to understand R Nought: Basic Reproduction Number