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Earlier you ranted about the use of the word ''happiness'' and now ''materialism'' which you described in more literal terms than their conceptual analysis suggests.
Your very literal interpretation of word analysis and the actual conceptual meaning behind those words are conflicting. I suggest you refrain from word analysis as such as it is obviously bothering you.
materialism
[muh-teer-ee-uh-liz-uh m] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
preoccupation with or emphasis on material objects, comforts, and considerations, with a disinterest in or rejection of spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values.
2.
the philosophical theory that regards matter and its motions as constituting the universe, and all phenomena, including those of mind, as due to material agencies.
idealism
[ahy-dee-uh-liz-uh m] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
the cherishing or pursuit of high or noble principles, purposes, goals, etc.
2.
the practice of idealizing.
3.
something idealized; an ideal representation.
4.
Fine Arts. treatment of subject matter in a work of art in which a mental conception of beauty or form is stressed, characterized usually by the selection of particular features of various models and their combination into a whole according to a standard of perfection.
Compare naturalism (def 2), realism (def 3a).
5.
Philosophy.
any system or theory that maintains that the real is of the nature of thought or that the object of external perception consists of ideas.
the tendency to represent things in an ideal form, or as they might or should be rather than as they are, with emphasis on values.
happiness
[hap-ee-nis] Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
the quality or state of being happy.
2.
good fortune; pleasure; contentment; joy.
interesting
[in-ter-uh-sting, -truh-sting, -tuh-res-ting] Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
engaging or exciting and holding the attention or curiosity:
an interesting book.
2.
arousing a feeling of interest :
an interesting face.
Idioms
3.
in an interesting condition, (of a woman) pregnant.
originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
This is the second long, rather verbose diatribe that you posted today that when boiled down, appear only to be grammar versus concept / concept /versus concept argument to yourself.
Are you annoyed at your dictionary?
Earlier you ranted about the use of the word ''happiness'' and now ''materialism'' which you described in more literal terms than their conceptual analysis suggests.
Your very literal interpretation of word analysis and the actual conceptual meaning behind those words are conflicting. I suggest you refrain from word analysis as such as it is obviously bothering you.
is more like the definition to druggie or at least idealism defined by a druggie.
“a tendency to consider spiritual possessions and mental comfort as more important than material values”
Sounds like you read some philosophy and some words from a dictionary, misunderstood both conceptually then vomited your confused grammatical interpretation onto the page in a nonsensical manner.
Your so called stance is as relevant as advising people against butter in favour of cheese or saying butter is a dairy product. It is far from profound.
The Op lost my respect with his inflammatory response to you. If he doesn't want your opinion he should keep a journal.
My simple way of looking at this potentially complex problem you stirred up, and admitting I am a little confused, would be to say that it is inescapable for a human to be 'either ideal or materialistic (in your sense of the word I believe)' as existing as a human in reality demands all humans to be both materialistic and ideal. Materialistic as in, must interact with materials to remain existing, and ideal, as in, must use the will/choice to interact with materials to remain existing. So would it be possible to give even abstractly for point of argument, numerical rankings of how materialistic and ideal a person is depending on their life behavior. Or your argument would be; because there is no grand absolute perfect expression of idealism and perfect expression of materialism, all human activity is only; exactly as it is, and this has no meaning beyond the fact that; all human activity is only; exactly as it is.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ImaFungi
Fungi, a breath of fresh air.
My simple way of looking at this potentially complex problem you stirred up, and admitting I am a little confused, would be to say that it is inescapable for a human to be 'either ideal or materialistic (in your sense of the word I believe)' as existing as a human in reality demands all humans to be both materialistic and ideal. Materialistic as in, must interact with materials to remain existing, and ideal, as in, must use the will/choice to interact with materials to remain existing. So would it be possible to give even abstractly for point of argument, numerical rankings of how materialistic and ideal a person is depending on their life behavior. Or your argument would be; because there is no grand absolute perfect expression of idealism and perfect expression of materialism, all human activity is only; exactly as it is, and this has no meaning beyond the fact that; all human activity is only; exactly as it is.
I need to add nothing more than this. Although I was hoping it was less explicit, you hit the nail on the head so to speak.
...it is inescapable for a human to be 'either ideal or materialistic (in your sense of the word I believe)' as existing as a human in reality demands all humans to be both materialistic and ideal.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
there is no real materialist out there anymore, and if there was, he’d be off somewhere in the material world absent of such ideals as “society”, “vocation”, and the whole politics of it all— or at least in the case of Diogenes, showing the idealists the folly of their ways through cynicism, as a bird singing in his cage. If you think about it, even “matter” is an ideal conception of what we call physical. But, for example, when I speak about a cow, and I speak only about its material attributes, I am also speaking about its material value, which I expressed has given us by the fact of its very existence so much more than we can ever hope to give back. It is not a form of idealism to speak about the material value of something, for it is an actual concrete fact to speak about what is there and how we relate to it; but it is not a fact to express that it is something we wish it was—an ideal.
You yourself say, in passing, that if we are simply the material we are composed of, a sort of objective view absent of any subjective interpretation, we are simply a “conglomerate of molecules”. I don’t think this works, as even a ball of hair is a conglomerate of molecules, and there is simply no comparison. This conception that we are a conglomerate of molecules, or a pile of atoms, or bags of chemicals composed of dumb matter, is actually quite prevalent among idealists and the religiosi, even when the concept holds zero truth value or explanatory power. It is quite apparent that we are not simply a conglomerate of molecules, and it isn’t objective in any sense to assume that is true.
originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
I know that this sounds unfair, however, perhaps the rich deserve to be so.