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originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Christians have never believed in Purgatory... Catholics believe in Purgatory. Catholics are not Christians and Christians are not Catholics. Purgatory is NO WHERE in the Bible, so the apostate, false Gospel teaching Catholic Church had to go to the uninspired books of the Apocrypha in order to justify it. You see, the Catholic religion falls apart without the belief in Purgatory, because they believe in a false, works based salvation. Without Purgatory, no Catholic could ever make it to Heaven, because Purgatory is their "safety net". Purgatory allows a Catholic to live as the world lives, without having to live a life of faith based repentance. Living a life of faith based repentance DOES NOT save, because that is works. Only faith in Jesus Christ saves, and the life of faith based repentance is a result of that salvation.
originally posted by: BlackManINC
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Christians have never believed in Purgatory... Catholics believe in Purgatory. Catholics are not Christians and Christians are not Catholics. Purgatory is NO WHERE in the Bible, so the apostate, false Gospel teaching Catholic Church had to go to the uninspired books of the Apocrypha in order to justify it. You see, the Catholic religion falls apart without the belief in Purgatory, because they believe in a false, works based salvation. Without Purgatory, no Catholic could ever make it to Heaven, because Purgatory is their "safety net". Purgatory allows a Catholic to live as the world lives, without having to live a life of faith based repentance. Living a life of faith based repentance DOES NOT save, because that is works. Only faith in Jesus Christ saves, and the life of faith based repentance is a result of that salvation.
This is the point I made in another thread. I have a better explanation. To all the heathens out there, Catholic or otherwise, if you are trying to justify yourself to God by your "good works" without faith in Jesus Christ, then your works will be seen by God as nothing more than filthy rags. Without Jesus Christ, no amount of works or righteous deeds will ever measure up to the perfect and holy nature of God. You can only be saved if your good works is justified by your faith in Jesus Christ.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
I pose that question because it is rarely talked about anymore.
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And here is something to ponder; if you understand that the Clergy invented "Purgatory" did they also invent "Hell" too ?
That is is to say Hell as taught by Catholicism and adopted by Protestantism, not Sheol and Hades which is just the common grave or non-existence. It's the domino effect of dogma that is wrong, one wrong ideology leads to another.
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It was St. Augustine's concept of human development that Gratian adopted in the Decretum (1140), one of the core works in the Corpus Juris Canonici, the body of Canon Law until 1917.[FN54]
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The conclusion that early abortion is not homicide is contained in the first authoritative collection of canon law accepted by the church in 1140:
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In 1140, Gratian compiled the first codification of Catholic canon law. In it, he concluded that "abortion was homicide only when the fetus was formed, implying a theory of delayed hominization." See Hurst, supra, at 8. That doctrine, as later explicated by St. Thomas Aquinas, was adopted by the Council of Vienne in 1312. See id. at 9. The pre-modern period of the Catholic Church, from 1500 through 1700, began the trend toward the current view of immediate hominization. By the end of that period, delayed ensoulment was still the dominant view, but the time of ensoulment was in doubt. See Hurst, supra, at 8-10.
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In 1140, when Gratian compiled the first collection of canon law that was accepted as authoritative within the church, he concluded that "abortion was homicide only when the fetus was formed." If the fetus was not yet a formed human being, abortion was not homicide.
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Later, Augustine on abortion was incorporated by Gratian into the Decretum, published about 1140. Decretum Magistri Gratiani 2.32.2.7 to 2.32.2.10, in 1 Corpus Juris Canonici 1122, 1123 (A. Friedburg, 2d ed. 1879). This Decretal and the Decretals that followed were recognized as the definitive body of canon law until the new Code of 1917.
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This view was enhanced by the theological acceptance of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. In 1701 Pope Clement XI declared the Immaculate Conception a feast of universal obligation, and in 1854 Pius IX incorporated into Catholic dogma the teaching that Mary was without sin for the moment of her conception (Tribe 1990). These beliefs did not coincide with the prior view that the fetus did not acquire a soul until later in pregnancy, so the church had to unite its doctrine so that the act of conception coincided with the beginning of human life.
I pose that question because it is rarely talked about anymore.
Death puts an end to human life as the time open to either accepting or rejecting the divine grace manifested in Christ. The New Testament speaks of judgment primarily in its aspect of the final encounter with Christ in his second coming, but also repeatedly affirms that each will be rewarded immediately after death in accordance with his works and faith. The parable of the poor man Lazarus and the words of Christ on the cross to the good thief, as well as other New Testament texts speak of a final destiny of the soul--a destiny which can be different for some and for others.
Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification or immediately, -- or immediate and everlasting damnation. (Catechism of the Catholic Church 1021-1022)
Its a catholic thing, not christian.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: OptimusSubprime
I understand what you are saying, but what religion were most people who believed in Jesus between the 4th century and the 15 century and tried to apply bible principle in there lives ?
Yes there were sincere Catholics, who tried to live good lives, and there wasn't really a choice back then either. Finally once the bible could be read by the common man it caused the Catholicism to be questioned. Doctrines like purgatory were discovered to be false.
originally posted by: adjensen
a reply to: pennydrops02
Its a catholic thing, not christian.
Unless you have some weird definition of what a Christian is, when everyone else seems to think it means someone who believes in the Christian Creeds, you are incorrect in that statement -- it is a Catholic thing, not a Protestant thing.
But, it turns out, it is a Protestant thing, at least to a few: Purgatory : After years of neglect, some Protestants now believe it exists; many Catholics don't. For others, it's not a place--it's a state of mind. I would be in the last group, I don't believe that it is a place, I believe it is a state.
yeah and they also thought the world was flat
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Catholics are not Christians and Christians are not Catholics.
In summary, annihilationism is not biblical. For this reason, it was condemned by the Second Council of Constantinople (AD 553) and the Fifth Lateran Council (1513). theresurgence.com...