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Are there any MKultra/Monarch 'style' DEprogrammers here?

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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 12:31 PM
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Or at least maybe... Rookie of the Year... har har. Now maybe an apology or, shoo fly




posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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i think you're worth a second 'BIG FOOT in mouth' attempt

a reply to: Apoceclipse

i think you're right.. the program didn't stop, it just became the norm
..seems when we hit a certain age some 'peculiar' memories start to percolate
many seem dream-like?

I was wanting to speak directly to someone with experience is counseling/deprogramming

(caveat emporum)
spent years under the 'tuition' of a kindly old lady (who had spent years 'counseling')
only to discover she was mixed up w/ adv. rosicrucian 'stuff'
she constantly tried to steer me away from the bible 'for some reason' *wink*
all these ones talk the talk, but don't walk the walk

(fwiw.. leading question)
in our attempts to 'vet' our supposed guides.. what are we to measure them against?
when i figured that part out, it solved most of my problem

as you were, soldier..
 


the 'homosexual cover' bit is from the movie naked lunch (nice gag, btw)



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 09:45 PM
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There is a lot of people that somewhat fit that frame of timeline, but there are so many factors… bloodliner? is your family defecting/in therapy? have you found a good therapist? have you been subject to something 'randomly' that really triggered memory flooding etc? contact with sympathetic operatives even… too many variables to generalize framework for a theme of recovery.

Nice bit about forgiveness. I understand what was done and why, and all of it was not for good reasons. A lot were very nefarious. This is not just being done by intelligence agency for reasons of national security. This is done in large by secret societies, some going back a long time, some with very nefarious agendas…

I understand, and forgive, but that is not the same as being ok with it continuing…


""Dropping all the weight of all the anger and hate about something you cannot change does help in finding peace with the world.""

Dropping the anger is good. Although it is ok to be a little bit angry at what they do to people, children etc… but the part about 'about something you cannot change' is completely BS. Maybe you can not do anything, or feel like you can't… but I know that everyone can do something. As little or big as that something is, depends on a lot of things. I have an opportunity to do more than most because of my direct knowledge/involvement so I am in a better position to change things… I don't plan to recede and try to find a peaceful nook for myself. I plan to organize safety for people… especially direct victims…

I hope I don't come across as too rude. I am just being straightforward because I believe a good post like yours deserves no less than my honest opinion… Have a good one!



originally posted by: kwakakev
I am more of an interested party than an expert in the mind control operations. Came across the topic a few years ago when trying to understand 9/11 and it was one piece of the puzzle that made a lot of sense. Apart from that my main talent is in computer programming, so have a small unique perspective to the issues.

One thing that seams to be common is that over time the barriers between alters and memories will break down. Constant maintenance of the programmed individual will help keep the barriers up longer. But generally as the individual get older, the dynamic and constantly changing nature of the brain will grow and adapt to the situation. A form of a 'spiritual immune system' is one description that comes to mind in trying to explain it. It looks to be around the ages of 20-25 is where the first cracks in the programming occur and will continue to grow and expand as you get older. Around the age of 40 is where most individuals appear to have a better chance of getting on top of what was done to them as better reconnections with the memory is made.

What you and the people around you are going to go through is going to be very difficult at times. Working to integrate the alters, or at least find some peace and common ground of understanding is going to take time, effort and understanding. From what I can see it looks similar to having a bad trip and at time all you can really do is just ride out the storm. Depending what was done to you, maybe think about finding a safe place like a padded room or just isolated by yourself out in the middle of nowhere if you do want to push the alter integration process and worried about possible fallout.

Another important aspect to consider is to find forgiveness in what was done to you. While some of the techniques have become more cold and ruthless in recent years, the basics have been going on for a very long time. Dropping all the weight of all the anger and hate about something you cannot change does help in finding peace with the world. If you are struggling with forgiveness then research and understanding of the events and motivations at the time does help.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
Sorry, I just do the programming...........Oops!


I hope your other 6,000+ posts are not as useless as this one. You might have wasted a lot of time there, buddy.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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Thank you very much for your correspondence… I have talked/attempted to talk to a bunch of 'deprogrammers' etc etc but for some reason always skipped over Russ Dizdar. I will give this a chance, thanks!

Your questions are getting a little more personal than I care to get into here, especially considering some people responses already… however I will reply.

1.) Yes, past tense. Part of the reason I have 'snapped' out of it like I have is because my old 'main' handler, that I really 'trauma bonded' with is no longer with us. Lots of people don't make it long when their main programmer/handler (sometimes the same for generational etc) passes… I guess they couldn't let it be and wanted to try to salvage what they put so much time/money into… trying to keep me operational was a mistake. Or maybe it wasn't... who knows, lol…

Some of the handling is through astral projection (on the SRA tip), also some of it is through advanced frequency devices (on the Gov't MC tip). 'Tune ups' (to keep programming 'intact') is very risky for someone like me, who is VERY self aware, and has at least partial intersystem cooperation… if not guidance. The only in person visits I have received were from government 'officials' trying to 'reactivate me'. Not too sure of the crossover between different levels of the intelligence operatives/supervisors and the deep 'cult' members themselves… it appears only 'need to know' info is given, and it appears some of them definitely needed to know more… lol

2) Yes.


originally posted by: Jesuslives4u

originally posted by: Apoceclipse
I won't post much more material, as I have nothing to prove, or argue about. The only reason I even posted that, was to help you understand, to grow, and learn, and perhaps not be so rude and close-minded. This attitude will only hurt you in the end, after it hurts several others, of course. Take it easy now...


Hi Apoceclipse,

I sent you a message. You should be receiving it shortly. I had just one quick question (maybe two for the readers)

1. Do you know who your handler is?

2. Was your mother or father or another family member involved with your programming?

EDIT LATER: Have you ever heard of the Black Awakening? A book written by Russ Dizdar. I would recommend you pick a copy at your local book store. A good read about this subject.

God bless you.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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The first contact I had with her, I wrote her a very very long message. The first thing she said was 'sorry I cannot offer you counseling' but continued to correspond with me over several emails. She recommended things like EMDR, self-hypnosis/meditation ~ NLP to myself. Some of the guided hypnosis tests she has posted on her website… things like that. I don't know if she was reluctant to offer counseling because of the fallout she had over the deal with Andrew Pero's interview, or maybe she hasn't really dealt too much with deprogramming the government MC. Maybe she was just full of clients etc… Either way, I did not get a bad feeling from her, and she did offer much advice over several emails… and always returned my emails, even through some of my alters… basically going off, ha. I only have respect for this lady and her work, although I do not agree with all of it (who is to say she agrees with everything an interviewee says either…), I think she is doing the best she can do to help people in unique situations…


I am from Upstate NY, but I think you were inquiring as to where I am located… which is Nashville, TN


originally posted by: CallmeRaskolnikov

originally posted by: Apoceclipse
a reply to: CallmeRaskolnikov

Thank you, I have been chatting with her on and off for some time now... She could not offer counseling for me however...


Wow that is shocking. I'm actually a little taken aback. Did she give you a reason? And was it at least somewhat reasonable?

I know of another deprogrammer who I think is based out of ohio but it may be possible that he will offer phone consults. What state are you from?

edit on 18-8-2014 by Apoceclipse because: added response to question of location



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: Apoceclipse

That's easy then, you need psychotherapy from a trained specialist.

Speaking to anonymous people on a conspiracy website would probably not be my first choice in getting help.


Psychotherapy and psychiatry is an "industry of death". If what he is saying is true there is nothing a paychotherapist can do to help him.





This in an interesting thread, maybe it will turn into a wealth of knowledge.
edit on 18-8-2014 by tompumped because: Wrong youtube video number



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:16 PM
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Ok, hitting this one again, since I go down the list responding in order.

You are obviously lying. So are you just eliciting another response, or in fact attempting to discredit me? Like I said, I don't care enough to look at your past posts, to get a bigger picture concerning you/your motives here at ATS… so I will provide links myself to show you are lying/mistaken… in case other people are too lazy to search themselves.

Here is a link to google reverse image search, with no results found of this picture.

google reverse image search of the trail cam picture in question


Here are a couple other reverse image search engines… knock yourselves out…

www.imageraider.com...
www.tineye.com...


So, you kind of owe an explanation, and/or apology, don't you?… mmmhmmm, lol...


originally posted by: b14warrior
a reply to: Apoceclipse



originally posted by: Apoceclipse

originally posted by: b14warrior
That picture of the person with the gun is creepy. I assume it is you?


Caught my split personality on surveillance right outside of Edward Hunter Field... This was basically the first time I had an undeniable occurence that caused self awareness/self confrontation... Funny thing about the name of the airstrip Edward Hunter Field...... "Edward Hunter (1902–1978) was an American journalist, author and intelligence agent. He is credited with popularizing the use of the term "brainwashing" in English"en.m.wikipedia.org...(U.S._journalist) ... Yep, call it what you want... I am a self aware Manchurian Candidate...


To be fair, I already know it's not you or 'your split personality'. Just by doing a quick reverse image search I can see that the picture is something you just lifted from the internet. I already knew this when I asked but just wanted to see your response.

MUST TRY HARDER WHEN TROLLING NEXT TIME SON!

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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: b14warrior
a reply to: Apoceclipse



originally posted by: Apoceclipse

originally posted by: b14warrior
That picture of the person with the gun is creepy. I assume it is you?


Caught my split personality on surveillance right outside of Edward Hunter Field... This was basically the first time I had an undeniable occurence that caused self awareness/self confrontation... Funny thing about the name of the airstrip Edward Hunter Field...... "Edward Hunter (1902–1978) was an American journalist, author and intelligence agent. He is credited with popularizing the use of the term "brainwashing" in English"en.m.wikipedia.org...(U.S._journalist) ... Yep, call it what you want... I am a self aware Manchurian Candidate...


To be fair, I already know it's not you or 'your split personality'. Just by doing a quick reverse image search I can see that the picture is something you just lifted from the internet. I already knew this when I asked but just wanted to see your response.

MUST TRY HARDER WHEN TROLLING NEXT TIME SON!



What a surprise, I don't know how to do a reverse image search, but I might try to learn. Trolls and shills are everywhere, it's a known fact, not suspected as the other person wrote.

If you are a troll you are pathetic, what a waste of life and time



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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Listen to you, you don't even know how to do a reverse image search but you hop right on the bandwagon. I kindly provided a link to a reverse image search with the image in question already input to check the authenticity… NO RESULTS of same image, same size, or in other sizes… An apology from you, would be nice as well, kind sir...

google reverse image search with image in question already input as you will see at the top of the page

originally posted by: tompumped

originally posted by: b14warrior
a reply to: Apoceclipse



originally posted by: Apoceclipse

originally posted by: b14warrior
That picture of the person with the gun is creepy. I assume it is you?


Caught my split personality on surveillance right outside of Edward Hunter Field... This was basically the first time I had an undeniable occurence that caused self awareness/self confrontation... Funny thing about the name of the airstrip Edward Hunter Field...... "Edward Hunter (1902–1978) was an American journalist, author and intelligence agent. He is credited with popularizing the use of the term "brainwashing" in English"en.m.wikipedia.org...(U.S._journalist) ... Yep, call it what you want... I am a self aware Manchurian Candidate...


To be fair, I already know it's not you or 'your split personality'. Just by doing a quick reverse image search I can see that the picture is something you just lifted from the internet. I already knew this when I asked but just wanted to see your response.

MUST TRY HARDER WHEN TROLLING NEXT TIME SON!



What a surprise, I don't know how to do a reverse image search, but I might try to learn. Trolls and shills are everywhere, it's a known fact, not suspected as the other person wrote.

If you are a troll you are pathetic, what a waste of life and time

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edit on 18-8-2014 by Apoceclipse because: hehe, typo



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: UNIT76

what exactly do you mean 'i think you're worth a second 'BIG FOOT in mouth' attempt '…

I am having trouble processing this one…

Also, it wasn't just about a certain age (although I did have memory flooding on my 25th birthday), actually my close friend asked me about my childhood, I had not thought about it since my family fled NY to TN, and then I remembered why. Then, I called my sisters, my mother, my father, etc… and said… WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK. We were all very aware of a lot of it… just buried it. What we didn't remember consciously started emerging shortly thereafter… We all knew we had a brush with 'crazy satan worshipers' and that they were posing as elders in the religious congregation we were involved with… and when we reported it to headquarters, we were ostracized from the religious community and highly ridiculed for suggesting such things. It wasn't only us though, lots of people in the community had remembered. Something must have went wrong etc… ANYWAY thats neither here or there. enough rambling about all that.

The other part was that I woke up in the trauma unit (ICU) at Vanderbilt, but I (Grey, a split personality) had called my then girlfriend the night before, at like 4 a.m. and told her that I was CIA and that… well I told her plenty, enough for it to be over, and her to be scared, especially since I woke up in the trauma unit with amnesia. I had also told some other people I know stuff as well… That type of thing is hard to brush off when you had already got yourself on trail cams/video etc… I also had contact with what seemed to be a sympathetic operative, though he didn't act too sympathetic… he just talked to much maybe… lol. Ok I am done talking too much now



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: Apoceclipse
a reply to: UNIT76

what exactly do you mean 'i think you're worth a second 'BIG FOOT in mouth' attempt '…

I am having trouble processing this one…

Also, it wasn't just about a certain age (although I did have memory flooding on my 25th birthday), actually my close friend asked me about my childhood, I had not thought about it since my family fled NY to TN, and then I remembered why. Then, I called my sisters, my mother, my father, etc… and said… WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK. We were all very aware of a lot of it… just buried it. What we didn't remember consciously started emerging shortly thereafter… We all knew we had a brush with 'crazy satan worshipers' and that they were posing as elders in the religious congregation we were involved with… and when we reported it to headquarters, we were ostracized from the religious community and highly ridiculed for suggesting such things. It wasn't only us though, lots of people in the community had remembered. Something must have went wrong etc… ANYWAY thats neither here or there. enough rambling about all that.

The other part was that I woke up in the trauma unit (ICU) at Vanderbilt, but I (Grey, a split personality) had called my then girlfriend the night before, at like 4 a.m. and told her that I was CIA and that… well I told her plenty, enough for it to be over, and her to be scared, especially since I woke up in the trauma unit with amnesia. I had also told some other people I know stuff as well… That type of thing is hard to brush off when you had already got yourself on trail cams/video etc… I also had contact with what seemed to be a sympathetic operative, though he didn't act too sympathetic… he just talked to much maybe… lol. Ok I am done talking too much now



Roman Catholicism is satan worship. I recently found this out, I thought it had been infiltrated by satan but it wasn't. It sprung from the Babylonian mystery religion. I'm assuming you are talking about that type of religion, but I don't know. I was raised that way.

I grew up in upstate NY. I missed the post where you replied to the accusation. Even if it's not a real story it's interesting to read it. How many people do you remember killing?
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posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 11:04 PM
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I was referring to 'Jehovah's Witnesses'. Kept secluded, no contact with non Jehovah's Witnesses, no friends etc… All extra time goes to the congregation and service, no blood transfusions, no celebrating any holidays, close supervision from elders… very controlled situation. Also 'iffy' background ~ Charles Russell etc. anyway… if it was not a real story it would be a complete waste of time and space, for all of us.

I do appreciate the contacts I have made, but I am, surprisingly, still surprised at how this thread had spiraled. Hard to keep to yourself, isn't it. There have been a couple people that actually have leads/wanted to offer help… a couple to PM me… but the majority… just couldn't help to post on a thread where they really did not have much relevant to offer. I mean… seriously you all… hehe. And here I go trying to reply to each one, once again caught up in a 'struggle' to defend myself, almost uselessly spending energy, when I was here to network for help in the first place.

It is good to network with people who have experience working with RA/SRA/GOV'T MC etc… we can exchange notes/info at least, and possibly 'hypnotically' engage certain programs/alters etc as well… etc etc… You see. So please… if you don't have much to offer in terms of the TOPIC, of this thread, please think twice before posting to it. Thanks



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 08:23 AM
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I did not find your reply rude and I do appreciate your time and honesty. To help clarify, the point I was trying to make about not being able change things was in reference to the past. As for what you do now and into the future is very much in your hands. The fact that you have the courage to post your story and take the crap you have is a strong action towards fixing this problem. All the good threads generally create a stir so it is good to see you taking it in your stride. In some ways I view ATS like a gold mine, you have to dig through a lot of dirt to find a few nuggets.

As for myself I do not associate to any type of MK program, but I have had a lot of trauma through different accidents and injuries over the years. In some ways it feels that my spirit has diminished or weakened in some ways, maybe it is just getting old as well and slowing down a bit.

It is good to see you motivated towards putting an end towards these practices and there does appear to be more resources growing. Depending where you live there might be a dedicated officer or investigations going on to help end this mistreatment, you will need to search around. Trying to heal yourself is also a positive direction to move in, but it does sound like a tough one with all of the work that does go on. If you are still being handled through astral and other remote technologies then overcoming your programming sounds highly difficult. If you could get your hands on all the erasure codes to delete all your alters it might be one way out, but will be very confronting as all the alters memories integrate.

I did find the Greenbaum Speech to linked to near the start as very interesting and an important document for anyone interesting in deprogramming. There have been others on ATS with experiences of MK programs and is one place to look when trying to build your support network. There are also a lot of people that do not post so in terms of reaching them it all helps. They may not make any decisions today, but it gets them thinking and helps get them ready for when it is time.

I too would like to see an end to all the pain and abuse that does go on, but trying to find a practical and realistic answer is not easy. For now I am still learning, taking it one step at a time and doing what I can along the way. How would you describe the relationship amongst your alters? For example if I was to ask 'how is your day?' is it just one individual with different emotional swings or perspectives, or is there clear distinctions between your alters that sometimes share information and sometimes not? maybe something else?



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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I was going to jump and ask if that was a Walther PPK-L you were holding?
Maybe it was just the wide frame, long ways from having ballistics results.
Last time I saw a Walther PPK-L there was a beautiful woman playing the piano next to it.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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I was going to jump and ask if that was a Walther PPK-L you were holding?
Maybe it was just the wide frame, long ways from having ballistics results.
Last time I saw a Walther PPK-L there was a beautiful woman playing the piano next to it.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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If you were to ask 'how was your day' I would have like a dozen smart ass answers rush through my head, and I have had to learn not to zone out while trying to find the right one to say... or create a mixture of the prepared responses. It seems like no matter which one I respond with, parts of me will feel stupid or at least under/misrepresented, or even embarrassed for how I portrayed myself by using this response. I have had to learn that there is seldom a 'catch all' response that portrays all different aspects of myself simultaneously. So I just will say something and move on. How's that for an insight... LoL...



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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No, it wasn't.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Apoceclipse

It does sound like there is already some integration functionality already going on, so if some of your more deeper alters where removed or exposed it would not be a completely new experience for you. Quickly looking at a question from lots of different angles is something many people do and not limited to any MK programs. As for what kind of angles, the depth and range of personality behind them is more where the MK programs surface and interact.

As a general response to the question 'how was your day?', it does give the impression that I would get a similar response if I was to ask a council or similar group meeting with deliberations, debate, considerations and ultimate decision with specific costs and benefits. As for myself there are some topics where I have clear opinions, but with other complex issues where I have little understanding my own internal discussion and uncertainty can go on and on.

One good way to overcome confusion and inadequacy with specific topics is through research. As for how you go about researching the topic of 'you' is a big philosophical question. Before starting it helps having a goal to keep focused and provide direction. Maybe it is to build a stronger and more cohesive identity, help the teamwork of your alter individualities or even find that catch all phrase of 'how are you'. Perhaps there are more important things to work on, but as with anything, the more we understand it the more options we have to overcome it.

As for your deprogramming, I know there are big problems with hypnosis with all the traps, work and procedures that have gone on with it. Do you think if you could get your hands on all the programs that have been used on you along with all the delete codes it could help? Would you still needs someone to lead you through a hypnotic deprogramming session or do you think you might be able to undo the programs yourself? Are there any other ideas, clues, tips or requirements on deprogramming. Is the ultimate goal to restore your self determination, improve your quality and functionality in life and remove the covert influences over you?



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: kwakakev

The ultimate goal (subject to fine tuning) is to assume full control over all parts of myself (mind/heart/body/soul, ~ compartmentalized, 'controlled', 'augmented', tampered with, underdeveloped, underutilized or not) and to use everything (abilities, information, etc.) to be, and cause the change I want to see in the world... and BEYOND
Hehe



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