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Are there any MKultra/Monarch 'style' DEprogrammers here?

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posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: Apoceclipse


***EDIT - REDACTED DUE TO INADVERTENT SELF TRIGGERING****

I'm doing better, and would rather not delve into specifics.
It seems some people out there are keying in on my position and starting up the damned mental interrogations again.

Stay strong out there, Godspeed and I'm Over and Out.

PEACE.




edit on 8/17/14 by GENERAL EYES because: EDITED TO REMOVE PERSONAL INTEL




posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 02:53 AM
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Now, repeat after me: "Homosexuality is the best all-round cover an agent ever had."



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 04:48 AM
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a reply to: Apoceclipse

I am going to tell you something you will dismiss, others will laugh at, get you to laugh at it.

But I think I should do the right thing and tell you regardless.

Pray to Jesus Christ, ask the great spirit to fix the damage done to your mind. It works, I've seen it work.

Of course you also need to quit all drugs and eat healthy, drink pure water, no sodas, lots of lemon or at least good vit c.

DO THIS NOW, YOU WASTED ENOUGH TIME



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: Golden Rule
Now, repeat after me: "Homosexuality is the best all-round cover an agent ever had."


Making jokes at the expense of homosexuals and people asking for help? What are you, 13? Get out of here with all that. You really have nothing better to do then post lame jokes places on the internet where you have nothing of any real substance to add? That, actually IS amusing!



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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originally posted by: FootBig
a reply to: Apoceclipse

I am going to tell you something you will dismiss, others will laugh at, get you to laugh at it.

But I think I should do the right thing and tell you regardless.

Pray to Jesus Christ, ask the great spirit to fix the damage done to your mind. It works, I've seen it work.

Of course you also need to quit all drugs and eat healthy, drink pure water, no sodas, lots of lemon or at least good vit c.

DO THIS NOW, YOU WASTED ENOUGH TIME


I appreciate you coming here with what seems like sincere intention to help, but I do not appreciate you posting things like 'DO THIS NOW, YOU WASTED ENOUGH TIME'. Who is to say that I have not been doing this... also, FYI, I have a pretty healthy diet, alkaline water, distilled water, I don't really care for soda and rarely have them since I was a kid, etc etc... I don't 'do drugs' ('quit all drugs', like you are assuming I am on them?) To reiterate... I appreciate your advice, but you are assuming a lot with your statements... and they are false assumptions... The all caps 'you wasted enough time' was just too much for me, especially since you are speaking from a place of... well, erhm, an uninformed place (euphemism).

If you have good intentions to help people, perhaps think of a better way to get your message across, and also, make sure they are not already doing these things in which you suggest they are wasting time 'not' doing...



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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I have to say, not very surprised at some of these replies. This is why people that need help don't reach out enough. Really, shame on some of you... Is this the type of environment you would want your kid to live in, where we make fun of people who seriously need some help due to being in a pretty much uncontrollable situation? I think these people that 'poke this kind of fun' are actually more messed up in a lot of ways than people like me. At least I have perspective, empathy, and a level of clarity as to looking at the 'big picture'. I feel sorry for some of you! Ha, that is part of my problem right there...



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: Apoceclipse

That's easy then, you need psychotherapy from a trained specialist.

Speaking to anonymous people on a conspiracy website would probably not be my first choice in getting help.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 09:30 AM
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You're on an internet forum, looking for help from govt exploitation.
Doesn't that seem a bit....useless? You must know that if you are under their control, you're under surveillance. Online off line, doesn't matter. Skype or PM isn't going to keep what you say from them. Pictures of you standing outside with a gun proves nothing, you could have been in your back yard for all we know. People who get on forums claiming to be MKUltra victims, can say pretty much what they want and give the classic "You don't understand" when challenged, so forgive the raised eyebrow. And to go along with that, you're on a site which is suspected to have govt shills as members. How do you know someone responding to you with sympathy is not one of them and they are alerting your handlers? If you're truly a victim and not just looking for attention, you should off the internet and go for real help.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: Apoceclipse

That's easy then, you need psychotherapy from a trained specialist.

Speaking to anonymous people on a conspiracy website would probably not be my first choice in getting help.


Wasn't my first choice either. However, it has led to some very helpful Skype sessions in the past. Also, you (people in general) may not be as anonymous as you think on the internet etc... Also, once (properly) contacted/greeted, it wouldn't be anonymous at all... Programmed D.I.D is hard to find a specialist for, especially if you are male... There are risks. For both parties... A place like this is not the worst to find people in this field willing to help.
edit on 17-8-2014 by Apoceclipse because: mobile typo



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
You're on an internet forum, looking for help from govt exploitation.
Doesn't that seem a bit....useless? You must know that if you are under their control, you're under surveillance. Online off line, doesn't matter. Skype or PM isn't going to keep what you say from them. Pictures of you standing outside with a gun proves nothing, you could have been in your back yard for all we know. People who get on forums claiming to be MKUltra victims, can say pretty much what they want and give the classic "You don't understand" when challenged, so forgive the raised eyebrow. And to go along with that, you're on a site which is suspected to have govt shills as members. How do you know someone responding to you with sympathy is not one of them and they are alerting your handlers? If you're truly a victim and not just looking for attention, you should off the internet and go for real help.


The picture along with explanation merely provides insight as to how someone may become 'self aware'. Notice it is a 'trail cam'...

Notify my handlers?.. Did you see when that picture was dated? Late '07. I have been in a serious struggle for years since 'going rogue' or whatever you want to call it. The cat has BEEN out of the bag, to everyone. I'm not the only one. The network is a mess.

Go for real help... Wow. I have exhausted resources, and places like this are as good as any to network, leading to real help. A PM and Skype are not to hide my info from culprits, they know what I have to say. I just don't want this all posted publicly. I mean, seriously.

A raised eyebrow, skepticism, is just fine. But making bad jokes is not. If I was full of it, I would then not only be wasting my own time, but the people as well who spend their time replying with nonsense. So the 'mean' replies/jokes serve no purpose, in my mind (er should be careful of wording, haha) at least.

Also, the government is not one person. Like everywhere, some good, some not so much. It is the little clubs that unite the powers (I.E. legislative, judicial, executive, here in the US) for their own nefarious agenda(s) that is the problem. Like I said, they know how I feel, and what I have to say. Most of them would never confront me, especially alone. They play games from the shadows. Sure its chess, not checkers... but my move of seeking to network places like here is not to be underestimated. It has helped a whole lot in prior situations, and here I go again.

I am not hitting people with 'you don't understand' etc... To be honest, I have little use for most contact with the majority of people here/replying here... except to possibly help expand their awareness etc... I have already made a couple contacts stemming from this thread, and I still hope a qualified person stumbles on to this thread, leading to the next stepping stone in the process that is my 'walk of life'... Yup



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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Some make an easier transition, while others self destruct or go into deeper states of denial.


Really difficult to explain where MKultra operate(d,s).
Salvador Dali used what he called a paranoic critical method.
I could try and give a more detailed analysis but I'd be rewriting Moby Dick..

There have been creative works explaining ego destruction, aimed at naive initiates.

For example back in 1841 Edgar Allan Poe wrote "Descent into the Maelstrom".



The tricky thing about MK Programming is everyone responds differently to different trigger sets/words/scenarios etc...


In the series "Back to the future" Doc was hanging a clock over his toilet and he slipped, hit his head, and when he came to, the image of the flux capacitor was in his head.

I would never have understand that in a million years, until one day I walked into an astral vortex practically in my own back yard.

Complete ego collapse, the cold wind blew so hard, doors burst open where i didn't even know there were walls.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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Your story is compelling and I feel for you.

You're going to want to check out Eve Lorgren. She specializes in therapy associated with what she calls "anomalous trauma". Which includes treating people who are victims of mind control, Milab abductions etc.

evelorgen.com...




Eve Lorgen is a dedicated counseling professional, UFO/alien abduction researcher, Anusara yogi and writer. She began her pioneering work with alien abductees while earning her Masters Degree in Counseling Psychology in 1992. She also holds a BS in Biochemistry and worked in the Biotechnology industry for 7 years. Eve started a support group in 1994 in San Diego County, CA for experiencers of anomalous trauma and continues to consult with anomalous trauma clients worldwide today while living in Western North Carolina. She was a close associate of the late Barbara Bartholic and is dedicated in continuing and expanding the work of the late Dr. Karla Turner. Anomalous Trauma is defined as traumatic events that are out of the normal range of human experience. These experiences may include alien abductions, near death experiences, shamanic initiations, military abductions (milabs) mind control, spiritual warfare, demonic and psychic attacks, cult involvement and narcissistic abuse. Early on in her career counseling alien abductees, she discovered a plethora of unusual experiences that often accompanied those who reported alien encounters and milabs. The most prominent aspect of Eve’s counseling and support is with those who are experiencing some form of alien or paranormal orchestrated love relationship issues, or what she calls “the love bite”.




Eve is available for telephone consulting/counseling for a fee. Please contact Eve directly to schedule a session.



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posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: CallmeRaskolnikov

Thank you, I have been chatting with her on and off for some time now... She could not offer counseling for me however...



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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I am more of an interested party than an expert in the mind control operations. Came across the topic a few years ago when trying to understand 9/11 and it was one piece of the puzzle that made a lot of sense. Apart from that my main talent is in computer programming, so have a small unique perspective to the issues.

One thing that seams to be common is that over time the barriers between alters and memories will break down. Constant maintenance of the programmed individual will help keep the barriers up longer. But generally as the individual get older, the dynamic and constantly changing nature of the brain will grow and adapt to the situation. A form of a 'spiritual immune system' is one description that comes to mind in trying to explain it. It looks to be around the ages of 20-25 is where the first cracks in the programming occur and will continue to grow and expand as you get older. Around the age of 40 is where most individuals appear to have a better chance of getting on top of what was done to them as better reconnections with the memory is made.

What you and the people around you are going to go through is going to be very difficult at times. Working to integrate the alters, or at least find some peace and common ground of understanding is going to take time, effort and understanding. From what I can see it looks similar to having a bad trip and at time all you can really do is just ride out the storm. Depending what was done to you, maybe think about finding a safe place like a padded room or just isolated by yourself out in the middle of nowhere if you do want to push the alter integration process and worried about possible fallout.

Another important aspect to consider is to find forgiveness in what was done to you. While some of the techniques have become more cold and ruthless in recent years, the basics have been going on for a very long time. Dropping all the weight of all the anger and hate about something you cannot change does help in finding peace with the world. If you are struggling with forgiveness then research and understanding of the events and motivations at the time does help.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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Sorry, I just do the programming...........Oops!



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: Apoceclipse
I won't post much more material, as I have nothing to prove, or argue about. The only reason I even posted that, was to help you understand, to grow, and learn, and perhaps not be so rude and close-minded. This attitude will only hurt you in the end, after it hurts several others, of course. Take it easy now...


Hi Apoceclipse,

I sent you a message. You should be receiving it shortly. I had just one quick question (maybe two for the readers)

1. Do you know who your handler is?

2. Was your mother or father or another family member involved with your programming?

EDIT LATER: Have you ever heard of the Black Awakening? A book written by Russ Dizdar. I would recommend you pick a copy at your local book store. A good read about this subject.

God bless you.
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posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: Apoceclipse
a reply to: CallmeRaskolnikov

Thank you, I have been chatting with her on and off for some time now... She could not offer counseling for me however...


Wow that is shocking. I'm actually a little taken aback. Did she give you a reason? And was it at least somewhat reasonable?

I know of another deprogrammer who I think is based out of ohio but it may be possible that he will offer phone consults. What state are you from?



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: Apoceclipse

originally posted by: b14warrior
That picture of the person with the gun is creepy. I assume it is you?


Caught my split personality on surveillance right outside of Edward Hunter Field... This was basically the first time I had an undeniable occurence that caused self awareness/self confrontation... Funny thing about the name of the airstrip Edward Hunter Field...... "Edward Hunter (1902–1978) was an American journalist, author and intelligence agent. He is credited with popularizing the use of the term "brainwashing" in English"en.m.wikipedia.org...(U.S._journalist) ... Yep, call it what you want... I am a self aware Manchurian Candidate...


To be fair, I already know it's not you or 'your split personality'. Just by doing a quick reverse image search I can see that the picture is something you just lifted from the internet. I already knew this when I asked but just wanted to see your response.

MUST TRY HARDER WHEN TROLLING NEXT TIME SON!



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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Provide the link then. It will be - to my Facebook profile if anything. Or another forum with even more info which I am sick of sharing due to responses like these. Why don't you try harder when trolling. and if this is a bluff to get a reaction, you need to go on with that BS. Ridiculous.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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You already knew... Wow. Really? You're a real genius. Haha why would you be wasting time acting like this. I'm too lazy, and don't care enough to browse your past posts to get a broader scope of who you are, and what you are doing here...

If you are making statements like you do though, you need to provide a link for proof... Otherwise it is very obvious that you are mistaken. Or if there is a link, it will be to my Facebook or another forum, further putting me out there so... Thanks, thanks a lot. I was trying to avoid this but in all fairness... I did already post my name on here a while back, just search... Also... I expected people to do a search for my screen name and reverse image searches. I am not a rookie..




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