Ukraine crisis: BBC finds Russian aid trucks 'almost empty'

a reply to: FootBig

I have to absolutely bow down to Western Propaganda Levels

Well that's better than bowing down to the Russian propaganda about this whole conflict.

But hey you are free to bow down to who you want, just don't get mad when you are questioned about who you bow down to, especially when it comes from Russia.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Do you have evidence the trucks were full and the BBC failed to show those trucks?

If the trucks are empty then they are empty. That's not propaganda, its a valid question.

Your thinking in terms of Black and white, BBC shows 2 trucks empty, so by your logic ALL trucks are empty.
We are talking about 280 trucks.

Chances are some of them are empty ( for reasons I don't know ) and the rest of them full. The thing is BBC has a choice, will they :
A) show footage of the two trucks that are empty or
B) show footage of trucks who are full and empty.

a reply to: darkbake

What was the point of the convoy, if it wasn't carrying aid? Was it delivering supplies covertly?

The trucks and their cargo are a diversion. Putin is delivering 280 volunteers to reinforce Luhansk. They are fresh, well fed and ideologically correct. Although they will not be able to push the Ukrainians back, they can prolong the crisis, draining Ukrainian resources and creating further discontent in the eastern provinces. This buys Putin time to create further mischief, perhaps yet another false flag.

originally posted by: DJW001
The trucks and their cargo are a diversion. Putin is delivering 280 volunteers to reinforce Luhansk.

Yup, agreed seems like the most logical explanation. Also explains to why there 280 trucks. That's a lot of trucks.

This is just a thought but could the armoured column which entered the Ukraine taken some of the aid off the trucks before the inspection. This is just an idea because I am not sure if they met or passed at the same check point.

originally posted by: rickymouse

I don't see the Ukrainian government sending aid over there.

US warns 'provocative' Russia as Ukraine tensions rise

Meanwhile Ukraine said it was forging on with an offensive that has sent rebel forces reeling, retaking three small towns overnight.

Top rebel military chief Igor Strelkov and another key commander announced Thursday they were quitting after Ukraine's military said it had completely surrounded Lugansk, cutting all links to the border with Russia.

An AFP journalist in the main rebel-held city of Donetsk in the industrial heartland of eastern Ukraine heard sporadic shelling from a suburb and saw rebels driving howitzer artillery into the city centre.

The death toll continues to climb, with mortar fire in Donetsk killing 11 civilians over the past 24 hours, local authorities said. Five soldiers were also killed in fighting over the same period.

As the Russian aid sat at the border, Ukrainian officials said their own aid convoys -- some 75 lorries with 800 tonnes of supplies -- had arrived at a government-held town about 100 kilometres north of Lugansk.

a reply to: rickymouse

Well you're wrong about that because that is exactly what Ukraine did, and their trucks were fully loaded.
800 tons of aid has been brought to the Luhansk region and unloaded so the red cross could start distributing it to the people in Luhansk.
That is how it must be done, there is no question of Russia delivering the aid by itself, it must be done by a neutral party which in this case is the red cross.
The people in crimea might be happy as well because Ukraine is also supplying food to them regularly.

a reply to: earthling42

That was the Red Cross, not Ukraine, that is delivering the aid. Also, that was yesterday and today they are going to start distributing it. The Russians did not know this was going to be happening, the Russians have been planning aid for a few weeks. When did the Red Cross start planning this.

Now eight hundred tons is a lot of food, how many truckloads is that. Figure twenty seven tons approx. on a semi of food, that means about thirty full semi loads came in that day and were unloaded and the food hauled into storage. It takes about half an hour per truck to do that so I suppose that is possible if they have all the forklifts there and experienced people. I question if there was that much stuff delivered in one day. It may be propaganda also. It would be nice if there was someone here on ATS from that area to find if it really happened. The guy in your link may not have a clue as to how many tons a semi trailer can haul. eighty tons might have been a more believable Red Cross delivery in a day, that would be three full semis.

The places that Ukraine is delivering aide is not in the areas Russia is delivering aide. Ukraine only brings aide to those areas where there aren't rebels.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: darkbake

What was the point of the convoy, if it wasn't carrying aid? Was it delivering supplies covertly?

The trucks and their cargo are a diversion. Putin is delivering 280 volunteers to reinforce Luhansk.

Ah...like stealing wheelbarrows! Isn't that a lot of grief to provide 280 fighters, though?

and one of the reporters said he sore lots of soldiers leaving when the got thire!
and a lot of annord vehicals.

empty trucks and soldiers walkinf off! from the trucks?
or emptying them? both!

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: darkbake

What was the point of the convoy, if it wasn't carrying aid? Was it delivering supplies covertly?

The trucks and their cargo are a diversion. Putin is delivering 280 volunteers to reinforce Luhansk.

Ah...like stealing wheelbarrows! Isn't that a lot of grief to provide 280 fighters, though?

Not when the media is present.

Russia sent an armored unit into Ukraine. That was the point of this "aid" convoy.

a reply to: rickymouse

The places that Ukraine is delivering aide is not in the areas Russia is delivering aide. Ukraine only brings aide to those areas where there aren't rebels.

And Russia is only delivering "aid" to the rebels.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: rickymouse

The places that Ukraine is delivering aide is not in the areas Russia is delivering aide. Ukraine only brings aide to those areas where there aren't rebels.

And Russia is only delivering "aid" to the rebels.

Weapons to prolong the war and cause more civilian deaths. It's funny how people don't care about civilians as long as Russia is the one causing them to suffer.

a reply to: dollukka

, Russian tanks invaded the border. Trucks were only an umbrella to disguise Russian actions elsewhere. Now according some tweets In Ukraine by New York times reporter and Deputy Moscow bureau chief for Financial Times are saying that tanks which came from Russia are now driving around in Ukraine and having peacekeepers stickers on them.

Sure he did. New York times loves to create false news stories to generate war orgasm.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: rickymouse

The places that Ukraine is delivering aide is not in the areas Russia is delivering aide. Ukraine only brings aide to those areas where there aren't rebels.

And Russia is only delivering "aid" to the rebels.

Russia is sending aid to all people in the areas where the rebels are, not just the rebels.

The Red Cross could deliver aide to the regular people in this area, but Ukraine's government does not want any food brought that the rebels could share so they don't let the people there have aide either.

This is actually a common practice. I doubt if Russia would give aide to the people on the opposing side either. The Red Cross has rules it has to follow that are stipulated by Ukraine.

a reply to: rickymouse

The coordinated plan for the delivery of aid to Luhansk was to cross the border of Ukraine through Kharkiv, but the convoy drove on to the Rostov area and wanted to cross the border where Russians and separatists control it.
Why was it planned? because of the situation the people in Luhansk find themselves in, no water and food, nor gas or electricity which is a humanitarian disaster in the making.

The last message i got is that the red cross is checking those 280 trucks, so what they have brought should find its way to Luhansk soon when the red cross will distribute it in Luhansk.

a reply to: rickymouse

That was the Red Cross, not Ukraine, that is delivering the aid.

This is how it was coordinated, Russia, nor Ukraine are a neutral party in this matter.
This means that Ukraine and Russia must hand over the aid they bring to the red cross which is a neutral party and will distribute the aid to the people in Luhansk.

800 ton seems a lot of food but it is not only food, it consists of food, water, medicines, mattresses, blankets batteries and more.. it is actually more volume than weight.
800 tons : 75 trucks is 10.6 ton per truck.

originally posted by: MessageforAll

originally posted by: darkbake

What was the point of the convoy, if it wasn't carrying aid? Was it delivering supplies covertly?

My guess would be distraction? This most have been planned weeks ago, you don't just prep 280 vehicles overnight.

Tell that to Wallmart [ASDA] where in the loading bays of various places their little minions load by hand 20 plus tons each per shift

The CBC report I watched last night showed that MOST of the trucks were reasonably filled and SOME of them barely had anything. They showed the video. A lot of the trucks were loaded and NONE of them had weapons. They trucks were opened for journalists to see.

different trucks likely went to different locations to pic up their loads. If the load of that particular supply did not fill the truck, it is likely they just sent the truck anyway, instead of taking all the supplies to a central packing and repack the trucks more efficiently. Trucks could have went strait from the pic-up to drop-of without central packing.

Or Russia just wanted this scene to make them look better and more trucks looks like more supplies...

Point is Russia brought aid and did not bring weapons. We have photo evidence of the aid. Do we have photo evidence of the Russian column that was supposedly attacked?