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Ukraine and Russian forces engage

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posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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rt.com...

Looks like Russia has denied even crossing the border




posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:13 AM
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Here is a report from Russia saying ''possible disruption of aid trucks'' and also that Russian military vehicles didn't cross the border.

The trucks carrying aid are military vehicles, did Ukraine attack those?

Sounds like the most likely scenario IMO.

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Moscow has information that the convoy delivering humanitarian aid to eastern Ukraine may be attacked by Kiev’s forces, with the “punitive” Aidar Battalion planning to mine the road that the vehicles will use, the Russian Foreign Ministry says.

On Friday, Moscow accused Ukraine of attempting to disrupt the humanitarian aid convoy now that the preparations for its delivery have reached their final stages and all key issues have been agreed upon.

“We draw attention to the sharp intensification of military actions by Ukrainian forces with the obvious goal to block the route, agreed upon with Kiev, of the humanitarian convoy from the Russia-Ukraine border to Lugansk,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

In Moscow’s view, all this gives the impression that there are people both in Ukraine and abroad who are willing to disrupt the humanitarian mission, even “at the cost of new casualties and destruction.”

“Those nurturing such criminal plans are taking huge responsibility for their consequences,” the ministry said.

Russia sent a convoy of 280 trucks carrying humanitarian aid – such as medical supplies, food, including baby food, sleeping bags and other basic necessities – to conflict-torn southeastern Ukraine on Tuesday. The convoy is currently stuck near the Ukrainian border, and is awaiting final approval from Kiev before moving forward.

Russia also reiterated that it would carry out the agreements reached with the Ukrainian government and the ICRC on delivering aid to Donbass residents as quickly as possible and in full.

“We are doing everything we can to provide security for this mission,” the Foreign Ministry said. Russia urged both the Kiev military and the east Ukrainian militia to immediately announce a ceasefire to allow the humanitarian convoy to reach Donbass residents.


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Russia’s Security Service (FSB) has denied reports that the country’s troops have crossed the border into Ukraine. Border guards have been deployed to provide security near the frontier, but they operate only on the Russian side, the FSB said.

The mobile military teams “operate strictly within the territory of the Russian Federation,” a spokesperson for the FSB Border Guard Service in Rostov region told RT on Friday.

Russia has stepped up security measures on its border with Ukraine as local residents are under constant threat because of “regular cross-border shelling” and an increased number of “mass border crossings” by the Ukrainian military, he explained. For that reason, FSB mobile border guards’ teams have been created.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

According to all the reports, including one two hours ago, the aid vehicles are painted white to be readily identified, and were checked at the border. And it sounds like they are actual trucks, not APCs.

From this article they haven't even checked them across the border yet it sounds like. They were still waiting on the Red Cross manifest.

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posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:30 AM
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Global Research
Is claiming this report of an attack on Russian forces is an act of Media Disinformation by the Ukraine government.


In Ukraine, precisely the opposite is happening. The regime in Kiev is openly raising armies of Nazi militants to go east and mass murder Ukrainians. Referring to Russian-speaking Ukrainians as “subhumans,” the NATO-backed regime is clearly attempting region-wide genocide. Humanitarian aid from Russia, opened for inspection and coordinated with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), has been blatantly denied entry into eastern Ukraine after baseless accusations have been made by both Kiev and their NATO backers that it constituted a “Trojan horse.”



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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One thing I know,Stock markets are not fooling.West Media fools the commoners ,but the stock market ,they are operated by oligarchs of West. They have access to information with higher ups have.

And I am happy that Russia has finally started doing something to fight the junta. I was frustrated with Russian inaction over this ethnic cleansing


Above is basically what my friend told me, and i tend to agree with him



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: HardCorps
Global Research
Is claiming this report of an attack on Russian forces is an act of Media Disinformation by the Ukraine government.


In Ukraine, precisely the opposite is happening. The regime in Kiev is openly raising armies of Nazi militants to go east and mass murder Ukrainians. Referring to Russian-speaking Ukrainians as “subhumans,” the NATO-backed regime is clearly attempting region-wide genocide. Humanitarian aid from Russia, opened for inspection and coordinated with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), has been blatantly denied entry into eastern Ukraine after baseless accusations have been made by both Kiev and their NATO backers that it constituted a “Trojan horse.”


first some journalist claimed WITH NO PROOF whatsoever that some APC's crossed into Ukraine and now Ukraine said it engaged and destroyed some of it WITH NO PROOF whatsoever.

it would be much better lie if they said they destroyed it completely, now we are all wondering where is the proof of the attack and where is the rest of it in the Ukraine...



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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edit on 15-8-2014 by Xcouncil=wisdom because: no longer valid



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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The Zionists in Ukraine just made the stupidest move possible. Looks like their little coup that the US helped with is history. This could be a scary situation. And for what??



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: Xcouncil=wisdom

Some more confusing news, again interfax




20:06
Stock market gains on external factors, EU sanctions statement
19:57
Ruble plummets against dollar, euro on fresh Ukraine concerns
19:57
EU THINKS THAT GROUNDS FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA REMAIN IN EFFECT - COUNCIL OF EU FOREIGN MINISTERS



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:40 AM
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From everything I read the aid convey and attacked covey are separate.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:40 AM
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Sky News in the UK reports a Russian armoured column was attacked.

Sky Reports Russian Armoured Column Attacked



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: Xcouncil=wisdom

Fixed it. Try now.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:49 AM
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This is something interesting :



Moscow confirms preparing meeting of Russian, Ukrainian, German, French foreign ministers in Berlin


I suspected for a long time now that Germany will choose Russia over this conflict rather then the European Union/US. Germany is simply to dependent on Russia.

Now unless you been living under a rock since 2008 France is going trough the biggest financial massacre since well ever. They are facing total global shut down and their financial reports are just to gruesome to show to the public. youth unemployment going trough the roof.

I find this combination odd and a bit worrisome. Russia is a big spender when it comes to French military tech, and with the recent sanctions it almost blew the mistral deal -> www.themoscowtimes.com... and other source : www.defenseindustrydaily.com...

This is a big deal for France.

I suspect that France and Germany will abandon ship with Europe if push comes to shove with Russia. So far the EU has done nothing but worsen the French economy and Germany is pretty much in the same boat.

This is only pure speculation, but still.

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posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

Here's one thing you can bet on when it comes to the markets...
right now oil is up +1.11 and gasoline futures are up +23 cents...

go fill up your car now because no mater what happened over there it's us who'll pay for it, one way or another.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: Mister_Bit
Sky News in the UK reports a Russian armoured column was attacked.

Sky Reports Russian Armoured Column Attacked


they are just parroting the stupidest possible lie Ukraine could ever come up with.

if they destroyed some Russian military equipment together with soldiers we should be able to see some proof and we should also see some reaction from Russia, also they said they didn't destroy all of it so there should be some more APC's floating around Ukraine; waiting for pictures.

British media is talking nonsense; in same article they are talking about Russian "incursion" into Ukraine and Russia "easing tension" by allowing Ukrainians to inspect aid trucks.

as far as I am concerned Ukraine just shot themselves in the foot.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: demus

Russia seems to agree :
UKRAINE'S REPORT ON CONVOY PART OF INFORMATION WAR: ZAKHAROVA
UKRAINE SEEKS TO AGGRAVATE CONFLICT, DRAG IN RUSSIA: ZAKHAROVA
RUSSIA FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESWOMAN ZAKHAROVA COMMENTS BY PHONE
UKRAINE'S STATEMENTS ON ARMED CONVOY `PROVOCATION': ZAKHAROVA

All this said, Russia did send troops over the border you can find "proof" ( eye witness report ) here :
www.theguardian.com...
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posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I know the aid trucks are military painted white but Russia are saying that there weren't any Russian vehicles attacked so I wondered if it might have been the aid trucks at the border.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

I read this earlier about Italy's view on the sanctions. All of Europe should abandon the U.S. on this one. Say no to Russian sanctions.

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Talks between Italy and Russia are an opportunity, not a problem. If EU politics has transformed a big opportunity into a big problem, we need to change the politics, Fabrizio Bertot, European Parliament member from Italy, told RT.

RT: How does the Italian business world view Russia imposing sanctions on Europe?

Fabrizio Bertot: Of course Italian business does not like the European sanctions against Russia. We are one of the most important agriculture producers, so our economy can be damaged from the sanctions. We export a lot of cheese, milk, elementary products, and Russia is an important market for our products. We are nearing a year of financial difficulties, and this is the result of a commercial war that is not in the interest of Italy or of the whole EU.

RT: It looks like the decision to sanction Russia was taken without any regard for business. Why is that, in your view?

FB: The sanctions against Russia were taken by the EU against the interests of the member states. We need to consider that the most important part of these sanctions concerns the export of know-how and technology in mechanics, electronics and energy production. We have to consider these kind of sanctions damage our economy, because we cannot allow our companies to export these kinds of technology to Russia. Also, the Russian reaction was immediately against the other kind of exports from the EU. So we started the commercial war that is not in the interest of either Italy or the European Economic Community. We have to start a different dialogue with Russia, and especially Italy, which is an important commercial partner for Russia.

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posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: MessageforAll

EU's days are numbered. EU is likely to break within three years.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: MessageforAll
a reply to: demus

Russia seems to agree :
UKRAINE'S REPORT ON CONVOY PART OF INFORMATION WAR: ZAKHAROVA
UKRAINE SEEKS TO AGGRAVATE CONFLICT, DRAG IN RUSSIA: ZAKHAROVA
RUSSIA FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESWOMAN ZAKHAROVA COMMENTS BY PHONE
UKRAINE'S STATEMENTS ON ARMED CONVOY `PROVOCATION': ZAKHAROVA

All this said, Russia did send troops over the border you can find proof here :
www.theguardian.com...


OK, now please point to me where is the proof "Russia did send troops"?




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