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reply posted on 12-1-2005 @ 12:36 PM by dbates


reply posted on 12-1-2005 @ 12:53 PM by defcon5
originally by dbates

I'm not fully convinced that the pre-trib rapture is an accurate teaching. In fact I'm leaning heavily to wards the inclination that it's a misunderstanding that will surprise many, many people. Read the words of Paul to the Thessalonians when he was comforting them that the second coming hadn't happened yet.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.-2 Thessalonians 2:3


I agree with this for the most part, but the falling away is already happening, and might even be part of what I have been fighting against. Look how Christians have suddenly become the BAD guys everywhere, especially by ex-Christians. Remember that it is to be a deception so great that even the very elect may be lead astray by it, Futurism is too well known and too simple.

originally by dbates

The anti-Christ will not appear all-powerful at first. His rise to the top will be quite peaceful and he won't appear to be monstrous until it's too late for anyone to do anything about it. Why else do you think that Israel and others will be willing to sign a treaty with him? You know he's going to be a really nice, likable guy. Everyone has much bigger things to worry about.


Unfortunately my agreeing with you ends there, again at least read some historicism. I am not just preaching any one church I support, all of the original ones EXCEPT Rome followed this line of thinking. The problem is that somewhere Futurism became more popular, or more pushed and therefore more known to the common man (can you say, “someone’s agenda”).

At the very least as a Christian you must know that Paul specifically said there would be MANY Anti-Christ’s, not one.


originally by dbates
You're mentioning the mountain being thrown into the sea reminded me of an article that I read earlier today. This might actually end up being it's own thread. This prophecy has the sound of a volcano (fiery mountain) sliding off into the sea. And how does this destroy ships? Sounds like another tsunami.



Well one thing, a tsunami would only destroy ships on the continental shelf, not those out to sea. It would pass below those. This sounds enough to me like an asteroid impact in the ocean.


reply posted on 12-1-2005 @ 01:42 PM by SomewhereinBetween
Originally posted by dbates
Actually, there is no mention as to what part of the 7 years that they will be alive during. The Bible simply gives the number of days which = 3.5 years. It could be the last half of the 7 years or somewhere in between. This is another assumption that many have about the book of Revelation that is untrue.

"And I shall give power unto my Two Witnesses, and they shall prophesy 1260 days clad in sackcloth. - Revelation 11:3


Actually there is. 17:3 tells of the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. 17:8 tells you that this is the beast which ascends from the bottomless pit. Going back to the witnesses then, 11:7 says that when they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit kills them.

If anyone wishes to claim the beast is here, then he is only here after he has killed the witnesses, because those same individuals are using a 7 year time frame, which is derived by 40 and 2 months for his power, and 1,260 days for the messengers. Consequently, the messengers come before the beast.

The revelation time has long past. the 7 heads were the churches to which the author wrote, and the 10 horns described the split of the Roman empire into 10 divisions.

The only other time-frame is that they are dead for 3 days. This could be at any time during the 7 year period as long as it starts no longer than 3.5 years into it. If we begin in 2006 or 2007 then we may not even see the Two Witnesses until during 2009.
Now you have to decide then if you wish to modify the time measurement given to suit your purpose. And if you are going to assign 84 months as a literal seven year period, then 3 days are literally 3 days. To do anything else is to open the possibility that anyone can interpret the numbers any way they like which just reduces every single interpretation to a farce.


reply posted on 30-11-2007 @ 01:52 AM by Equinox99
reply to post by TruthSeekers



I could not tell you, if I could it would mean I am a prophet. I am no prophet. I am a mere man reading another person's work.


reply posted on 10-6-2008 @ 03:45 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Byrd



I hate to discredit your comment, but it couldn't be further from the truth.

In actuality the Mayan calendar system, which is actually comprised of multiple different calendars, was an extremely accurate method for tracking galactic time. The Mayans were able to figure out the cycle of the sun and it's sun spots. The end of their long count, or 13 baktuns, 13.0.0.0.0, marks the end of the current sun and the dawn of the fifth and final sun. It is also the end of a 26,000 year cycle which upon completion will bring the sun and it's planets in line with the galactic center, Hunab Ku. This galactic alignment will cause the new sun to shine its intensely bright light unto the earth changing the DNA of all life including the earth itself. They did not prophesize the end of the world, but rather the birth of the new. This new birth, the 2nd creation can occur in one of two ways: Either our blindness to galactic time by living according to the false Gregorian Calendar, will cause great cataclysmic change, or the acceptance of the 13-moon calendar will bring forth the dawn of the no-osphere, a time in which all humans will unlock out ability of telepathy and be able to communicate on a cosmic level once again.

This prophecy actually coincides a great deal with the bible to the open minded reader. The bible is a largely symbolic work. The symbolism contained in the Mayan prophecy coincides with the books of Revelations and Genesis on many levels. The largest of which is the number seven. The seven forms of light which create the rainbow an the seven triangles of the serpent at Chichen Itza correspond to the seven days of creation. The mayans were in fact so in tune with galactic wisdom that they were able to break down God's seven days of creation into earthly years.

see: israndjer.blogspot.com...

There is far more to the Mayan calendar than the naked eye can perceive. Only through detailed study of it and what it actually means, can one understand it's greatness.

Now, for those that do not look at things on the spiritual level, but the material scientific level, let me make you aware of this:

Astronomers have identified a single sun spot that just popped up, that is rotating in the opposite direction of the current sun spot cycle. This is an indication that the polarity of the sun could be on the verge of reversing completely. Which does occur approximately every 5100 years. This event could drastically affect the magnetic field of earth causing major events such as earthquakes, volcanoes, and tsunamis. Could this be a coinsinence? I don't believe in that notion, so I would say absolutely not.

The Mayans were extremely intelligent, even more so than we are today. The reason is that they were able to unlock the wisdom of the universe through their highly complex calendar system.

I would suggest to you.......research it in great detail before discrediting it in any way.
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