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Sir Cliff Richard's home searched by police

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posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 05:06 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword


From jerry lee Lewis to modern fake boy bands,underage fans have had sexual relations with them when on the road with their long tours

In fact, there's a song about it.



edit on 16/8/14 by Astyanax because: did you notice the skirt-lifting hand movement on 'grown-up blues'?




posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 05:35 AM
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Wow, I can't believe some of the comments here.

So, pop stars don't have any kind of relationship/dialogue with their fans?

Since before the days of the Beatles there were fan clubs and communication between fans and stars.

That's the trade-off if you are a pop star - your private life isn't so private any more.

You don't put out a record and go and live under a rock for 20 years counting the royalties.

And in fact Cliff hasn't done that; he's been very communicative with his fans.

He just hasn't been truthful about his sexuality...denying he's gay when he apparently is.

It's the kind of detail a fan would want to know.



posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: CJCrawley

That's exactly the vulturous sort of perspective which might drive someone of celebrity to kill themselves. Why can't fans just be content that they are enjoying someone's creativity?

I like Mozart - that doesn't mean I'm going to dig up his bones and hold them to ransom until his soul gives up the secrets of his personal life.




edit on 16-8-2014 by BasementWarriorKryptonite because: sp



posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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He's religious and I expect many gay Christians like him are in the same situation

Wouldn't surprise me if his manager has said "cliff,if you come out as gay your fan base will crumble"

He's been around for a long time,I know times have changed but perhaps not fast enough in his generation and I could personally see record sales and tours dwindling as his generation of fans turn their back on him if he ever came out

There were a few comedians and entertainers from this time frame ,who hid their sexuality from friends let alone the media and only after death we can see them and the pain they endured hiding this secret

Isn't there a BP boss who just recently outed himself but for years he attended social events without his long term partner due to the stigma attached with being gay

Not everyone is tolerant with gay people,there is still a lot of hatred around so I can understand people from a certain generation wanting to stay in a bubble of security

As for cliff,we will all have to wait to see if charges are made but I can clearly see he's a gay man battling with his religion that he also cherishes



posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: Whereismypassword
Have to agree with Stu on this

Age of consent is 16 in the uk but I'm sure the age was higher for gay sexual relationship in the 60's or early 70's and lowered to 16



Homosexuality/Homesexual acts were classed as illegal in the UK until 1967.

The sexual offences act 1967 decrimilaised homosexual acts in private between 2 men, but they had to be age 21 or over.

In 1979, they tried to lower the age of consent from 21 to 18 but it was rejected. The age of consent got reduced from 21 to 18 officially in 1994. It then got reduced from age 18 down to 16 in 2000.

Sexual Offences Act 1967
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posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 06:09 PM
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That was reduced to 16 a lot later than I thought it was

No wonder they kept it all secret before the 60s!

Love the response Winston Churchill gave when he was PM and was alerted by his press secretary
To media getting hold of the scandal of a Party back bencher being caught having sex with a guards
Man in St James park

"Last night? Was very cold last night" Churchill said

"Yes PM was one of the coldest February nights on records" replied his PS

"Makes you proud to be British " Churchill instantly replied back


So going by the case here Cliff might have had a relationship with a man who was under the age of 21 as I think this case is related to the 80s?

Oh well,let's see if they go any further with charging him



posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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And not to mention..Dr. Hook."She was only Sixteen, only Sixteen"

Or Bobby Goldsborough..Summer "Was a Hot Afternoon, on the last day of June.....She was 31, I was 17....."

As said before, Im afraid this "Rolf and Jimmy" thing will open the floodgates, of all the 1000s of fat, old, wrinkly women out there, who had naughtys with "Rock Stars, guitarists and drummers...and the Roadies" over the past 50 years will now come out...I was only 14-15, I havent been able to sleep for 50 years or think of that song blah blah blah.

Its not for the money of course, but the justice......Well why didnt you think of that when you were only 14.

Interestingly the first was Gary Glitter and in 2001 Jonathon King of "Everyones gone to the Moon" fame, was jailed for impropriety with boys in the 1980s.



posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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Despite having a few members investigates for some reason, they will never look further into this.
Too many powerful,rich and influential people on those organizations



posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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Operation Yewtree has become a bit of a witch-hunt and there is probably a slight band wagon effect that some people have jumped on, most of the cases ended with the accused walking free and Cliff Richard may be no different.

That said there are still quite a few celebrities for whom the evidence was significant and were convicted. That unfortunately raises the scrutiny for future accusations. I don't think you should blame the police for that or anyone else apart from the celebrities who have been shown to have engaged in the vile behaviours in the past.

Gary Glitter, Jimmy Saville, Jonathan King, Max Clifford, Chris Denning, Diana Dors, Rolf Harris, Steve Jolley, Fred Talbot, Stuart Hall...

Were they all naive promiscuous adults in a time of sexual liberation? I think some of the names mentioned above went a bit farther than that. I still think the real scandals will be revealed by Operation Fernbridge and the over-arching inquiry. People right at the top organising orgies with teenage rent-boys. It's a scandal that involves MI5 may have Royal connections.
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posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: Whereismypassword
He's religious and I expect many gay Christians like him are in the same situation

Wouldn't surprise me if his manager has said "cliff,if you come out as gay your fan base will crumble"


Being gay is an abomination in God's eyes. Even a man wearing woman's attire is an abomination in God's eyes



posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
He's religious and I expect many gay Christians like him are in the same situation

Wouldn't surprise me if his manager has said "cliff,if you come out as gay your fan base will crumble"


Being gay is an abomination in God's eyes. Even a man wearing woman's attire is an abomination in God's eyes


I wonder where god draws the line on that - does he count flares and bell bottoms and culottes?

What about women wearing men's clothing? Good grief, we are all damned.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 01:43 AM
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That's the trade-off if you are a pop star - your private life isn't so private any more.

I will go as far as this: many celebrities encourage among their fans the delusion that their relationship is something greater than a commercial one. Generally it's those at the most vacuous end of the star spectrum who do this most. If their fans then get intrusive and obnoxious, you might say they have only themselves to blame because they encouraged it.

For all that, anyone who approves of this kind of thing has quite lost their moral bearings. The kind of relationship between star and fan you regard as normal is actually corrupt and psychopathological. The media encourage it; fans wallow in it; cynical stars and their even more cynical managers exploit it; and everyone is soiled by it. And here you are arguing for its perpetuation!

Fans are just customers. An artist's entire obligation to them is discharged in the work they produce. The rest is just publicity. A public image is not real life; Cliff Richard's sexuality is none of your business, or mine.


edit on 17/8/14 by Astyanax because: it's none of my business either.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 01:53 AM
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Jonathan King was notorious in the industry back in the day. People used to be warned not to go up to his flat or get caught alone in the studio with him. But you know, I find it very hard to get all worked up about queer men who like teenage boys. I mean, what do teenage boys like? Much of the time, the answer is 'sex'. And if someone wants badly enough to be a star that they will sleep with a record producer to attain that goal, surely that's a private matter between the parties concerned?

While on the subject of pop music and rent-boys, have you ever reflected on the meaning of the lyrics of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road?

I'm not a present for your friends to open;
This boy's too young to be singing the blues.


Amazing what you miss if you don't pay attention.


edit on 17/8/14 by Astyanax because: of the horny old owl in the woods.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 04:43 AM
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The kind of relationship between star and fan you regard as normal is actually corrupt and psychopathological.


Describe that "kind of relationship".



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 04:49 AM
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I find it very hard to get all worked up about queer men who like teenage boys. I mean, what do teenage boys like? Much of the time, the answer is 'sex'. And if someone wants badly enough to be a star that they will sleep with a record producer to attain that goal, surely that's a private matter between the parties concerned?


So now you're defending the disgusting Jonathan King and advocating sex with minors?

Boy, you're a beaut.

edit on 17.8.2014 by CJCrawley because: spelling error



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 05:09 AM
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Gee thanks Astyanax for destroying my childhood memories of Elton John's great song.....

I thought he was singing about Dorothy and Toto...........

Next thing you'll tell me, is that Rod Stewart's song about Georgie......is not about his pet dog going on a long holiday.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 05:50 AM
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originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: Astyanax




I find it very hard to get all worked up about queer men who like teenage boys. I mean, what do teenage boys like? Much of the time, the answer is 'sex'. And if someone wants badly enough to be a star that they will sleep with a record producer to attain that goal, surely that's a private matter between the parties concerned?


So now you're defending the disgusting Jonathan King and advocating sex with minors?

Boy, you're a beaut.


How old was this kid that Cliff Richard allegedly fooled around with?



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 05:56 AM
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I find it odd that the police would search the home of someone accused of committing a crime some thirty odd years ago. What on earth were they searching FOR ? a pair of moldy rotting pants from the victim ?
Just as odd is how the media knew about the search before it even happened. It could only be that the police themselves tipped off the media. But why would they do that ? All a part of the filthy plan i think.
I thought Sir Cliff had already come out as gay ?
If he attended the guest house parties at the same times as other kown offenders were having sex with children then even if he was not involved he would have known what was going on.
Again, a link between a possible sex offender and the royal family. There is a very real pattern emerging.

To the poster who said Nick Ross has publicly stated that he wants to be able to watch child porn. How do you know this ? Is there video evidence of him saying it ? Seems very odd indeed.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: Astyanax




I find it very hard to get all worked up about queer men who like teenage boys. I mean, what do teenage boys like? Much of the time, the answer is 'sex'. And if someone wants badly enough to be a star that they will sleep with a record producer to attain that goal, surely that's a private matter between the parties concerned?


So now you're defending the disgusting Jonathan King and advocating sex with minors?

Boy, you're a beaut.


How old was this kid that Cliff Richard allegedly fooled around with?


Under 16, so i've read in a few online papers.



posted on Aug, 17 2014 @ 06:29 AM
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originally posted by: skitzspiricy

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: Astyanax




I find it very hard to get all worked up about queer men who like teenage boys. I mean, what do teenage boys like? Much of the time, the answer is 'sex'. And if someone wants badly enough to be a star that they will sleep with a record producer to attain that goal, surely that's a private matter between the parties concerned?


So now you're defending the disgusting Jonathan King and advocating sex with minors?

Boy, you're a beaut.


How old was this kid that Cliff Richard allegedly fooled around with?


Under 16, so i've read in a few online papers.


Thanks. That's some deep, deep trouble.



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