Sir Cliff Richard's home searched by police

a reply to: IamSirDrinksalot

Fred west was never convicted either but is he not guilty?.
In the inquest it was shown he did it same with Savile.
Oh no iam feeding it now lol.

a reply to: jondoeuk

I think it comes down to the class thing in Britain that the wealthy have been able to literally do as they please for generations and the 'blind'-eye they have been use to goes down deep to the sycophants and lackies that think it a priviledge to work for some big-wig for a pittance.

Even though its wearing very thin, there is still that invisible them and us barrier in this country and what makes it worse plenty of 'jobsworth's just loving maintaining it.

I am shocked about Ester Rantzen and Childline, but you are right in that we do seem to have had very little response (that the public know about) from victims, especially young men. With the obvious predatory attitude that 'only I Myself. personally, matters', these men took young men from children's homes who were probably selected as having no-one, except the State to protect them. If they went missing so what, in fact who would know. The only way of finding out this information, if it hasn't been destroyed, is by looking at the budgets and counting the numbers of boys listed.

My hope is that with all the publicity these men will think twice before they procure young boys and children, but I suspect if its in their nature, they cannot be changed and society is vulnerable to their manipulations to get their own.

Cliff is pretty clever to have moved his main assets abroad. I am wondering how long it took for the police to actually find out where he was. I suspect if things get too hot he has a number of 'friends' who will protect him, in order to protect themselves.

a reply to: shapur

Lol Keith Richards lol made me chuckle that.
Two polar opposites of rock n roll.
Made me think though which rolling stone married a very young girl? Mandy something? Wasn't she underage?.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: shapur

Lol Keith Richards lol made me chuckle that.
Two polar opposites of rock n roll.
Made me think though which rolling stone married a very young girl? Mandy something? Wasn't she underage?.

I think 16 or 17 isn't considered to be under age in the celebrities world,in a variety of countries people can marry a 10 or 11 years old.There is always a place in the world for the rich when they can go on and do almost whatever they wish.

a reply to: shapur

Yeah but wasn't she 14 when they got together? .
I remember the press at the time going mental.
I agree with you the age of concent is different around the world even In holland it is 13 or 14.
Even thinking about my first time we both broke the law I think we were both 14..

Well well..this really isn't a surprise!..of coarse there was Jimmy Saville (who David Icke outed as a paedophile 15/20 years ago) then we had Rolf Harris recently and i must say when Harris got outed, i said wait for Cliff Richard.

These people are the scape goats to protect the elite,the same as childline is an organisation with the sole purpose (at its core) to protect the elites and all the wrongdoing they have inflicted upon the innocent,by locating the individuals in question and silencing them,attempting to cover the truth.

Remember Jill Dando? She knew the score..and was going to expose these despicable individuals and what actually went on behind closed doors at the BBC and was murdered for that.

It makes my blood boil and the stupid people of Britain need to act on this and take it to the utmost levels and rid the world of this scum.

It is an international crime happening in every country at the top as well though,where do you think the kids who go missing every 40 seconds in the US go??

There are plenty more cases that will arise, as this runs deep..i just hope we can reveal those at the source as well i.e. the scummy satanic royal families of the world and there off shoots,although the Catholic Church has been caught out as well, i just hope people can wake from their slumber and see the bigger picture.

Sorry for the rant, but i can't stand this!..although i am heartened to see this all coming out now and the evil that runs this world is on the back foot..your days are numbered PTB.

originally posted by: stuthealien
sir elton john next its no secret he likes boys

Amen! that monstrosity must be taken down!

originally posted by: jondoeuk

originally posted by: ThePeaceMaker
Just the whole relationship with the royals, friends with saville and the whole elm tree guest house crap. As above I agree with the innocent until proven guilty but I smell a very large dirty rat

You see the brutal murder of Jill Dando was not carried out by a lone-stalker or Serbian warlord.

The brutal murder of Jill Dando was linked to a VIP paedophile ring which was operating within the BBC and beyond.

The brutal murder of Jill Dando was ordered by the highest echelons of British society once it became clear that she had evidence of the ring and was about to expose it.

Jill Dando was shot at point-blank range in the head to silence her and also to serve as a warning to other journalists to keep their mouths shut.

We now know that child-rapist DJ Jimmy Savile had been abusing and procuring children at the BBC for decades.

Nobody said a word because of Savile’s links to the royals and government.

Jill Dando must have known about these rumours and would not have kept quiet.

Her close friend and confidante, Cliff Richard, has himself been named as a visitor to the notorious boy-brothel Elm Guest House, where vulnerable children were trafficked from local care homes to be abused by filthy VIPs.

Cliff was interviewed at length by detectives investigating the murder of Jill on several occasions.

Why was he such an important ‘ witness’ ?

Jill’s fiance, Alan Farthing, came face-to-face with Jill’s killer but conveniently forgot to tell the police.

Alan has since risen through the ranks of the medical profession and is now the doctor responsible for the birth of Kate and William’s new baby.

Was his promotion linked to Jill’s murder?

Jill’s colleague on Crimewatch, Nick Ross, has recently said he’d watch child-porn given half the chance.

Nick is married to Sarah Caplan the cousin of Esther Rantzen, who is also implicated in the Savile scandal.

Caplan and Rantzen founded Childline which appears to be a ‘front’ organisation used to filter out callers who may have been the victims of VIP child-abuse.

Nick Ross founded the ‘front’ Crimestopper’s helpline.

This helpline conveniently stopped working following an appeal for witnesses to Jill’s murder.

There were many procedural ‘mistakes‘ made by the Met Police during their investigations.

Officers conveniently forgot to question Jill’s neighbours and also botched the e-fit photo of the suspect by making his hair brown when it was actually blond.

Were these mistakes made deliberately to ensure the real killer would never be caught?

In a most sinister development Hamish Campbell, who was in charge of the investigation, was then put in charge of Operation Yewtree.

Are these mere coincidences or is there much more to the murder of Jill Dando than meets the eye?

Are the Met Police, the Judiciary, the BBC and the Government implicated in one of the biggest cover-ups this country has ever seen? thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com... itains-dirty-secrets/

I couldn't agree more you are bang on the money!

originally posted by: BMorris

originally posted by: CJCrawley
Well before this latest development (which may come to naught) I've felt there was a whiff of dodginess about Cliff.

I think it's the secrecy.

Isn't he entitled to secrecy, you ask?

Not to the extremely meticulous extent he's kept his life secret; if you've made your fortune from being a public figure, you must accept some trade-off with your private life.

What do we really know about him?

1. He owns several homes scattered across the planet

So do lots of successful people.

2. He never married

He doesn't want to.

3 He's never shown any romantic interest in women (as far as I know)

Why would a gay man show interest in women???

4 He lives with a bloke

And this is unexpected because....? He's GAY. Of course he's going to live with the man he loves.

The guy's gay...so why has he never admitted it? Why does he still keep quiet about it...I mean, it's 2014?

Why on earth does he have to?

And why does he bang on about being a Christian?

Because... he is?

Jimmy Savile used to mention God a lot.

They're good at telling you what you want to hear.

I hate to say it, but your post seems to be more concerned about him fitting into your view of social norms, than any alleged offences towards children.

He probably kept his personal life separate from his professional life, because despite it being 2014, there are still a lot of homophobic bigots around.

It's not about whether he fits into "my" view of social norms - please stop with the ad hominem attack.

He has been a public figure longer than I have been alive (which is a long time) and he owes it to his many fans around the world to be more transparent about his private life.

Many younger and minor celebs have come out and risked ruining their careers, but not our Cliff.

At 70 odd, his time is running out.

I don't know whether these accusations are true, but I would find it hard to believe that Cliff Richard had no clue about everything else going on (although you could say that about any major celebrity in the 60s-80s I suppose).

Anyway, this is just one case in an expanding web of conspiracy which implicates those at the very top, the evidence into the likes of Lord Tonypandy (linked), Lord Boothby, Sir Nicholas Fairbairn (linked), Leon Brittan (and his cousin Malcolm Rifkind), Greville Janner, Lord Mountbatten, and Rhodes Benson is stacking up.

Perhaps even Prince Andrew, who spent time at the house of convicted Paedophile Jeffrey Epstein; one girl stated she was "sexually exploited by [his] adult male peers, including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and/or professional and personal acquaintances".

Theresa May needs to pull her finger out get that inquiry started.

Sir Nicholas Fairbairn accusation

Prince Andrew at Jeffrey Epstein's House

Lord TonyPandy House Raid

I realise these are all newspaper articles so credibility can't be guaranteed, but it shows the media are focusing on higher level names at times rather than celebrities all the time.

originally posted by: shapur
I think 16 or 17 isn't considered to be under age in the celebrities world

It isn't considered under age in the UK either - the legal age of consent is 16.

Anyway, there does seem to be a lot of people here ready to hang Sir Cliff when it is a single person making accusations, nothing more. Ever heard of "innocent before proven guilty"? At least allow the Justice system to do it's work.

As for Rolf Harris, I think his conviction was harsh. No physical evidence, just "he said she said", with one of his "victims" having been sleeping with hi m willingly up to the age of 28, happily going to his house for sex. Hardly abuse.

Some of the others, like the DJ's convicted of sexual harassment/assault, were not really committing crimes when the alleged assaults took place - sexual harassment, such as groping a woman or slapping her arse at work, was not illegal back when these alleged incidents took place, with laws only being brought in during the 70's and 80's. Don't forget, it wasn't until the 1990's that it was considered a crime to rape your wife and this was after heated debates in Parliament.

It seems, at least in some cases, we're judging past behaviour by today's standards.

It's also worth pointing out that sleeping with a 15 year old (or any pubescent girl/boy) doesn't make you a paedophile.

a reply to: CJCrawley

He doesn't owe it to anybody to tell anyone, anything about his private life.

I'm not sure why you think he does.

a reply to: shapur

I thought it was Kieth Richards... they are all the same humans, rich ,powerful with a strong will to abuse their power.

Keith Richards never abused any children, or did any harm to anyone except those close to him who were damaged by the collateral effects of his lifestyle. He is a genius whose music has done more to make life livable for more people than you ever will. So don't be a jerk.

a reply to: shapur

She wasn't underage, or he couldn't have married her. But she was very young: sixteen, or something.

And then there was Ron Wood with his seventeen-year-old Eastern European girlfriend.

When you've been making music for teenagers all your life it tends to make you a bit of a teenager yourself. These guys don't know how old they are, that's the trouble.

a reply to: Buddyman

These people are the scape goats to protect the elite

I'm not singling you out — lots of people have been saying this on the thread — but what an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

People like Cliff and Rolf being made scapegoats to protect the elite? How does throwing them to the wolves protect the 'elite'? All they have to do is stand up in court and read out a list of all the 'elite' they've had fun and games along with, and so much for protection.

Use your brains, for heaven's sake.

a reply to: CJCrawley

He has been a public figure longer than I have been alive (which is a long time) and he owes it to his many fans around the world to be more transparent about his private life.

What?

He owes his fans nothing of the bloody kind.

His fans get his music, and his public appearances. That is all they are entitled to. The rest is his.

Bloody Iagos. This thread. Full of Iagos.

If this happened in the 80s I wonder what they were hoping to find some 30 years later?

originally posted by: CJCrawley

originally posted by: BMorris

originally posted by: CJCrawley
Well before this latest development (which may come to naught) I've felt there was a whiff of dodginess about Cliff.

I think it's the secrecy.

Isn't he entitled to secrecy, you ask?

Not to the extremely meticulous extent he's kept his life secret; if you've made your fortune from being a public figure, you must accept some trade-off with your private life.

What do we really know about him?

1. He owns several homes scattered across the planet

So do lots of successful people.

2. He never married

He doesn't want to.

3 He's never shown any romantic interest in women (as far as I know)

Why would a gay man show interest in women???

4 He lives with a bloke

And this is unexpected because....? He's GAY. Of course he's going to live with the man he loves.

The guy's gay...so why has he never admitted it? Why does he still keep quiet about it...I mean, it's 2014?

Why on earth does he have to?

And why does he bang on about being a Christian?

Because... he is?

Jimmy Savile used to mention God a lot.

They're good at telling you what you want to hear.

I hate to say it, but your post seems to be more concerned about him fitting into your view of social norms, than any alleged offences towards children.

He probably kept his personal life separate from his professional life, because despite it being 2014, there are still a lot of homophobic bigots around.

It's not about whether he fits into "my" view of social norms - please stop with the ad hominem attack.

He has been a public figure longer than I have been alive (which is a long time) and he owes it to his many fans around the world to be more transparent about his private life.

Many younger and minor celebs have come out and risked ruining their careers, but not our Cliff.

At 70 odd, his time is running out.

No, he doesn't. He doesn't owe anyone damn thing. Just because you sing a song and people like it, doesn't then mean you have to tell the people who liked your song - and everyone else - what you do in your private life.

a reply to: Rosinitiate
Dude.. me too, I just knew. I dont often buy into conspiracies, but I think there were some very dark shennanigans going on with the wealthy brita in the 70s-90s. Meaning organized.

Have to agree with Stu on this

Age of consent is 16 in the uk but I'm sure the age was higher for gay sexual relationship in the 60's or early 70's and lowered to 16

Cliff Richard,that's a tough one-I personally think he's a religious Christian battling with his sexuality so that's why he never came out the closet

From jerry lee Lewis to modern fake boy bands,underage fans have had sexual relations with them when on the road with their long tours

Then there are people like Ian Watkins,what can anyone say about him! Hope he dies in prison