MUFON is promoting Billy Meier - Why?

a reply to: tanka418

Yes, please provide some specific pics so that we can take a look-see.

Thanks.

a reply to: tanka418

It seems from your posts there is no evidence other than a statement from the man himself that would sway your opinion so sure believe on , I have no interest in changing your mind , believe what you will the facts remain the same.
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As far as the 1979 pics here's one from 1976.

I'm no photographic expert but it looks like a model relatively close to the camera , if you look closely you can make out a possible attachment for the fishing wire on the top.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: tanka418

It seems from your posts there is no evidence other than a statement from the man himself that would sway your opinion so sure believe on , I have no interest in changing your mind , believe what you will the facts remain the same.
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I could of sworn I saw that in a porno once.

a reply to: uforn
I have a question for you, or any other poster who is anti-Meiers.

Many people, including myself believe in a vast government conspiracy to hide knowledge of UFOs. Why is it inconceivable that Meiers photos could have been tampered with, to discredit his story?

I know there is some evidence against Meiers, but there seems to be at least something to his story as well. Something unusual happened to him several times, as witnessed by others. Can we agree on that?

originally posted by: Jchristopher5
a reply to: uforn
I have a question for you, or any other poster who is anti-Meiers.

Many people, including myself believe in a vast government conspiracy to hide knowledge of UFOs. Why is it inconceivable that Meiers photos could have been tampered with, to discredit his story?

I know there is some evidence against Meiers, but there seems to be at least something to his story as well. Something unusual happened to him several times, as witnessed by others. Can we agree on that?

Probably not.

And extraordinary claims require extraordinary special pleading.

originally posted by: Jchristopher5
a reply to: uforn
I have a question for you, or any other poster who is anti-Meiers.

Many people, including myself believe in a vast government conspiracy to hide knowledge of UFOs. Why is it inconceivable that Meiers photos could have been tampered with, to discredit his story?

I know there is some evidence against Meiers, but there seems to be at least something to his story as well. Something unusual happened to him several times, as witnessed by others. Can we agree on that?

No we cant agree on the Meier case sorry, it was only after he got caught out with his photos of the dinosaurs and the photo of Michelle Della Fave, that he claimed they were switched by the MIB, if no-one had found this out they would still be classed as evidence today.

Here is a couple of videos that go into some more detail than the ones I posted before.











My only interest in this is MUFON's Involvement Ive no intention of trying to convince anyone this is a HOAX or not. I believe its an elaborate HOAX and Im not the only one either.

originally posted by: Jchristopher5
Why is it inconceivable that Meiers photos could have been tampered with, to discredit his story?

Even the photos and movies he claims are legitimate and untampered-wth are ridiculous, particularly the ones with his notorious miniature "moving tree." When these were first promoted, computers weren't common, and it wasn't as easy for the average person like me to compare the photos to determine the hanky-panky. Yes, they've been tampered with... by Meier himself.

originally posted by: gortex

I'm no photographic expert but it looks like a model relatively close to the camera , if you look closely you can make out a possible attachment for the fishing wire on the top.

I don't know if this is one of the images I'm thinking of or not; but, many of the older mages were in fact examined by photographic experts of the day, some using computer enhancement...On many of the images like your example, if One were to examine the bottom of the "craft" they would find the reflection of the ground and environment. I seem to remember one of the other images where this was remarked upon specifically.

Also, many of the images used to discredit Meier are much more recent, and are obvious "fakes". This kind of begs the question; "What happened?" I mean IF fake; he starts with reasonable decent / good fakes, and degenerates into something...well I not sure how to characterize it. The recent stuff is not the product of someone who started a fake. One typically does not experience a decrease in skills with practice...What I'm sayin' is that the "fakery" should have gotten better...it didn't.

You do not know what my opinion is, and you absolutely should care a great deal! About truth that is...what ever it is!

Here is a site with a collection of Meir photos. Link

In my uneducated opinion, they are not very convincing.

a reply to: tanka418

You do not know what my opinion is, and you absolutely should care a great deal! About truth that is...what ever it is!

I do care about the truth which is why I don't believe Meier had any ET contact , the truth is it was all a Hoax and this video shows how I believe he did it.


As for why Meier is included on the MUFON site like it or not he is a big part of UFO history so I guess he deserves his place along side Roswell.

MUFON has become a side show of comic con it appears.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: tanka418


I do care about the truth

Nuff said! Too bad...truth is paramount.

By-the-way: IF (and I suppose that's a very BIG if) One were to look at the bottom of the craft in the video / image below; you will find the reflection of the countryside...ya can't fake that in 1980...

So far your hoax is a full scale bust, or should I say the "hoax" part is a hoax.

Actually not all of it, it does appear that in the end Billy did begin to loose it and put out just about enough to convince those who don't do their due diligence, like you, that he was a fake.

originally posted by: supamoto
Has Meier ever been proven to be a fake? I've seen & read some about his claims & they do seem rather far fetched.
But have his claims & pics. ever been proven to be fakes?
Just asking.......

There is a collection of VERY blurry (you think normal UFO photos are blurry and indistinct?, these make most of them look crystal clear) photos of dinosaurs old Billy supposedly took while time traveling (why they are blurry i cant remember, some mubo jumbo supposedly)... not the pterodactyl one most know of but one showing a Diplodicus and a Iguanodon etc along with a photo of him on the moon... no im being serious. the thread that discusses it and has the photos might still exist in the HOAX subforum (it was posted back in the day before the HOAX forum even existed, heck it was more than likely that thread that got the subforum created in the first place given it was around the time it happened)

The thing is, the Iguanodon photo shows the dinosaur standing up on its hind legs like they were pictured in books on the subject decades ago... which is something, based on study of the first bones of them is now known to be wrong, ie they actually walked on all 4's but could rise up to a degree if they had to. There was a doco about 12 years back that mentioned this discovery and they showed how the first assembled set of bones for the Iguanodon had been done wrong, with a VERY noticeable almost laughable kink in its tail (the kind of kink that would be classed more as serious dislocation )... thing is, this mistake wasnt noticed or even thought off for decades, and alot of future sets of bones where assembled the exact same way.

But old Billys photo has the dino in the now proved to be completely wrong standing position... meaning its was nothing but a scientifically incorrect toy from the period it was taken.

Heck, all you need to do look at his wedding cake UFO parked outside that house photo to dismiss the hack instantly, the things got so many issues wrong with it visually and logically its laughable to you cry funny.

No problem with billy as part of UFO folk lore and history, but MUFON should know better. Billy needs to remain where he's been rightfully put as an exampl of whats wrong and has been wrong with UFOlogy

Edit:- looks like alot of people brought that up already.

I started this thread with the premise that it was a given that Meier is a hoaxer.
I dont agree that he deserves his place on the MUFON website alongside Roswell as he is a known fraud. The only big part of history he is, is the biggest hoaxer.

As he is a known fraud why have they put him back on the website?
I dont subscribe to the idea that people should make up their own minds when the subject is a stonewall hoax.
Im perplexed, i just dont get it.

Horn making a sizeable donation? Maybe.
Horn promising some new "exclusive" material to MUFON? Maybe.

I just dont get it...

a reply to: SecretKnowledge
Here's what I know, and it's something of a train wreck:

Horn pressured MUFON to include the BM case on their site, which they did- just reprinting Wikipedia's article.
Alejandro Rojas/Open Minds are involved in the MUFON webpage updates.
Horn wrote a BS press release vastly overstting it's significance, and continues to claim it is evidence of an endorsement.
MUFON foolishly allowed links to Horn's BM site AND a "comments section," which Horn has turned into a propaganda mini-forum.
Alejandro Rojas realizes that Horn is abusing MUFON's hospitality and is looking for a way to balance the page with some skeptical content.

ALL those pics look like small models close to the camera. Those images are so pathetic that no-one with an IQ higher than a potato would waste serious time on those....it's so incredibly obvious that they're fake.

Wow - Myers and a fishing line! What could possibly go wrong!

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
ALL those pics look like small models close to the camera. Those images are so pathetic that no-one with an IQ higher than a potato would waste serious time on those....it's so incredibly obvious that they're fake.

You assume the average IQ is actually higher then that of a potatoe!

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

I dont agree that he deserves his place on the MUFON website alongside Roswell as he is a known fraud

As you've seen in this thread not everybody shares that opinion , you , I and others may believe he's a hoaxer but some still believe he's a contactee who had real experiences so why shouldn't he get a mention on the MUFON site.

The cult of Billy is strong just as the cult of Roswell , I would argue they both share similarities and one is no more credible than the other, Roswell has become more than the sum of its parts over the years and has more to do with the cold war and book sales than it does Alien visitors in my opinion , perhaps it shouldn't be included on the MUFON site either.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
ALL those pics look like small models close to the camera. Those images are so pathetic that no-one with an IQ higher than a potato would waste serious time on those....it's so incredibly obvious that they're fake.

Yes, but, you see, that's the thing; it is not obvious they're fake. In fact many of them were proven real back in the day. It is likely they still are.

But, please don't take my word, since I know ya wn't...check out the images for yourself...you will see, in many of the vintage images, the reflection of the ground beneath your "obvious fake"...something very difficult to do with a fake.

And, IF you should decide not to do your due diligence...then you should stfu because you don't know.

@gortex

As you've seen in this thread not everybody shares that opinion , you , I and others may believe he's a hoaxer but some still believe he's a contactee who had real experiences

Again, you don't know what others believe. You are applying yourself to this situation...that doesn't work; try science.

I don't care IF the images are real or not...it actually makes no difference...the real problem is YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE IMAGES ARE FAKE OR NOT. You are only assuming they are fake...without any real evidence.

In fact, you are so hung up on the image data, and it being fake that you have completely missed the real bit of evidence that will indicate the reality of his visitors. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that is

Man, I know how hard it is when ya really want something to be real...you will accept almost anything that gives even the smallest indication in your favor. But, ya see, unfortunately, One absolutely MUST employ their due diligence, and real science. Without it, you remain lost.