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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: spirited75
Mr. Brown may have rushed the officer and reached for his gun. If this is the case, the shooting was justified and a bunch of rabble rousers seized the opportunity to incite riots. However for there to be enough civil unrest to cause a riot, there already had to be strong emotions against the police in that community.
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: spirited75
The autopsy and report paints a very, very bad picture for the shooter.
He was shot twice in the head from 'above' (relative to sketch).
He was shot once in the chest from an unknown angle.
He was shot thrice in the inner arms, which suggest they struck him from behind or that he had his palms towards the officer (above head or arms down from front).
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: spirited75
if it were my son that were shot, I would demand answers. Immediate answers. Failure to provide immediate answers is a sign of being guilty. Then, over reacting violently (by rolling out the militarized police response) is a further sign of guilt.
If you think the response to Browns death has been disproportionate, pray you never have to see me respond to something similar.
ETA: I don't even know anyone in that town, but reading the NYC ME's report has angered me to a degree that is unusual for me. And his quote pretty much sums it up, "He shot too many times".
originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I just heard the report of a witness (on CNN) from Ferguson who reported that a young lady had been hit in the face with smoke bombs (plural) and tear gas. Wow!
FYI: This was actually said. I just find it a bit humorous, hence the posting.
having no meaning; making no sense.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Greven
I am not sure where you got your data, it looks like from the attorney for the family.
The examiner, who is an expert and was brought in, said he was not shot in the back at all, and that the wound on his arm could have been from the front if he was running OR if he had his arms up. So basically one would could have been received while he had his arms up, however it could have also been received while rushing the officer.
We now know the officer has a visual and medical record of a shattered eye socket that he may have received when he struggled with Brown in the police vehicle.
We know that several witnesses indicate that the officers gun first went off while Brown literally had half his body in the police vehicle.
Also, the bullets that entered the head were the final bullets to enter the body, and one of them was the kill shot. One was received while the head was lowered. I don't know if you've ever charged someone but you lower your head when you do that. The second was the top of the skull (the kills shot) and probably received while brown was falling to the ground.
Officers are trained to shoot to kill, to aim for the chest and head, if they are in imminent danger. If after a few shots Brown was still charging, the officer may have continued to shoot until Brown was on the ground.
If brown had indeed assaulted an officer and tried to steel his gun, he may have thought "I am not going to Jail" and figured he could bum rush the officer and get out of the situation with brute force.
Also, if Brown did put his hands up, who is to say he didn't then start to approach the officer (who may have already had a shattered eye socket) in a threatening manner? There are PLENTY of examples of violent offenders doing exactly that and ending up dead because of it. When an officer says "Freeze" it usually indicates you need to freeze or shots are about to be fired.
“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”
One of the bullets shattered Mr. Brown’s right eye, traveled through his face, exited his jaw and re-entered his collarbone.
The alleged friend of Wilson continued: “So he goes in reverse back to them, tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again, you know, he tried to get out. He stands up. And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face and then, of course, Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point, he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away, and the gun goes off.”
The caller went on to claim that Brown then ran from the officer, making it about 35 feet away before Wilson got up and ordered the suspect to “freeze.”
“Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something,” she concluded. “The final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two or three feet in front of the officer.”