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The Onesided Destruction of Christianity in America

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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ketsuko

As I said later in the thread, Christians don't require anything to carry out a prayer but if it makes you feel better go ahead and demand a special room to pray in in public schools... no one will care one way or the other.


That's not true and you know it. If it wasn't true, the group of students could pray in front of the flagpole, but they weren't allowed to because it was somehow endorsement of religion whereas Muslim students are allowed to pray and given special consideration during Ramadan (yes, they were sent to my room during their lunch hours).

Let me be clear, I have no issue with the Muslim students being accommodated as I understand the importance of one's religious practices to one's life, but why are Christian students not given the same latitude if they wish to group together to pray? There does not need to be a teacher involved.




posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:12 PM
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As I've said before, Christians love to play the victim. After all, their main man was a martyr, after all. The only way Christianity is in danger of being eliminated is the Christians getting tired of the nonsense and wising up and quitting the religion on their own. Nobody has to force or encourage them.

The worst thing that can happen to any religion is that it becomes irrelevant.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


if you aren't a Christian then your soul is doomed to hell.

Yes, that is what they say.

And, if you aren't a Sunni Muslim in the Middle East, your soul (according to the Sunni Sharia guys) is ALSO doomed to hell....
and they (the Sunni Sharia crowd) will help you get there faster.

But you still haven't explained how the violence (Muslim on Muslim) is somehow due to the media bashing Christians.
What would you prescribe as a remedy?

How would you influence extremist Muslims to get them to stop slaughtering EVERYONE around them (of whatever "other" faith) in order to create their "Caliphate" (Islamic State - which they have now claimed)?


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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:18 PM
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The truth is a sticky situation and the points on Christianity and Atheism is one that goes way back, a lot longer than many of us have been alive.

The modern atheist movement, started back in 1789 with the French Revolution, when those in France, tired of the fighting and political intrigue and abuse of power by the autocracy of France and the Catholic Church. During that time and shortly thereafter, saw the rise of many free thinkers, of people who did not believe in theology or any sort of belief, seeking more of peaceful means without the influence of the divine. Notable men such as Marx and Nietzsche were popular at the time.

While that might have been Europe, in the USA, there were all sorts of denominations, of the different churches around, though they either did not trust each other, or viewed the other with suspicion. Many of the more founding and I would say damming theological philosophies and ideas came from that era of time. It was also during that time frame that the idea of feminism started to become popular, the idea of a woman being equal to a man. As it slowly started to raise up, like any and all movements of that era, and time there were equally oppressive and punitive actions against those who would dare go against what would have been considered the social norms, and those who were of a different beliefs would ultimately suffer, such as the Pogroms of Russia against the Jewish people. Those who did not believe in Christ was considered evil and distrusted. Give it several decades and one saw what militant atheism would look like in the rise of the dictator, fascism, and communist ideologies. Religions in those countries were considered bad, as a root of evil and strife. Mao was reported as stating that all religion was poison to the people.

In the east, especially in India, forms of such would arise as there were those that fought against the caste system of life, seeing such as a means to keep people separated and divided. Many would fight against many of the long set beliefs that were set in those areas of the world.

In the USA there started the raise of atheism; however, it was not until the 1963, that the movement was emboldened by the movement, and a few court cases. That they won, considering that they found that those being forced to attend Bible readings in the schools and harassment by the school officials to be wrong and against the very foundation of the Constitution of the United States of America, and on June 17, 1963, school prayer was doomed and was found to be a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. In that landmark decision, there was only one justice that dissented.

While I do not believe that it is for any group or organization to push their belief on anyone, in fact the argument can be made that those who are of faith are just as guilty of making equal amount of waves to the country as well. Neither side is going to be content till it has achieved total victory in its view and ideas. And in the USA it is getting harder for anyone to show any sign of any sort of belief is starting to show up in everyday life. And in some communities it is the exact opposite, depending on where you are in the country. Some parts if you are not part of the social fabric, one can be ostracized or worse, even asked to leave the area, or made to feel unwelcome. And the other problem is this: Belief is a good thing, it sustains and gives hope, and belief taken too far becomes fanaticism which leads to using religion as a weapon and justification to commit horrible acts against others. It is a fine line.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Actually, they don't even have regard for Sunni.

There is no respect for Christians in the media. They are one of the few groups it is safe to mock and or denigrate, just like big business, conservatives, military veterans, Republicans, fat people, militias/gun owners, Nazis and smokers among others. If you are in entertainment or the media, you can openly mock or use these groups as villains as much as you want without worrying about the consequences or being seen as un-PC.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I don't claim to know the solution.

Extremists are extremists, but the believe as I believe or die kind are downright evil (if you believe in evil).

I leave the stamping out of evil to people who are wiser than I.

But the open, constant and consistent Christian bashing and not standing up for the Christians who are killed only because they are Christian only hurts the children who are cut in half for their parents beliefs because the ISIS/ISIL feel validated in what they do by saying "see even the West thinks these people are bad."

The "solution" , I don't know.

I don't deny they are killing Muslims who are of a different "denomination" but I haven't seen them dancing with joy over the beheading of fellow muslims either (maybe I am wrong, I don't watch that kind of porn) - or handing their little children muslim heads to post on facebook declaring what a good thing they have done.

These Christians have nothing to do with the Western "occupation" or "oil snatching". They were Christians long before Mohammed came along and long long before European or Meso Americans became Christian. But they are lumped in with all other western "evil" Christians by popular media - who must accept their part of the blame for making it acceptable through silence or by agreeing that Christians are bad people in general.

I do know there are many kind, loving and generous Muslims who are horrified by this, but refuse to speak out. Much the same as the Christians who are horrified by WBC and don't speak out.

I think the ultimate solution will come from the good Muslims who finally step in to stop the "great genocide of Islam"; it will take more courage than I have that's for sure.





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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

This is true. There is very little room left for live and let live as that would mean that those of no faith would have to tolerate the expression of faith and vice versa.

I would simply like the latitude to raise my son with faith in the house and in his life. Unfortunately, we are going to have to live like paupers in order to afford the private school tuition for the one school that uses the curriculum and approach we like and won't force us into declaring a church but simply be content with us as un-churched Christians. But the alternative is a public school with a weak curriculum and no tolerance for any kind of faith, not even a comparative religions class.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


But the open, constant and consistent Christian bashing and not standing up for the Christians who are killed only because they are Christian only hurts the children who are cut in half for their parents beliefs because the ISIS/ISIL feel validated in what they do by saying "see even the West thinks these people are bad."


I really have no idea where you are getting this idea. The entire world has stood up against the beheadings of Christians (or Muslims, or innocents, or civilians)! It's disgusting that they (ISIS/ISIL/IS) are slaughtering their way into Iraq/Syria. It's barbaric. It's unconscionable. NO ONE supports it except their whacko pals....and as for "Western" youths going over there and signing up, I really don't what to say about that, except that youths are sick and bloody-well tired of "The West" imposing on EVERYONE else.

Really. I am baffled by your view.
I read the MSM and also alternative media every bloody day....

I'm out of responses. I just hope you expand your horizons a little. Read some other sources maybe?? Some books?


Extremists are extremists, but the believe as I believe or die kind are downright evil (if you believe in evil).

Yes, gran. I believe in evil. And the extremists of ANY faith are that. No matter what their religion - forcing others to 'tolerate' or 'accept' or 'bow down' to ANYTHING is evil.

Thanks, though, for your civilized dialogue.

Cheers.






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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Wherever did you get the idea I think Western youths should step in?

I made it quite plain it is the Muslims themselves who need to work up the courage, and it will take great courage, to step in and stop the "great genocide of Islam" that is taking place.

I think that the US should do no more than provide food and water, and defend the people surrounded by this great evil. The people who live in that region, the Muslim countries themselves must be the ones to step in, or this will tarnish Islam forever as the Crusades have tarnished the Christians. But the good Muslims are afraid, and I understand that, but really, they are the only ones with the credibility to step in and stop ISIS/ISIL and I"m not sure they will because they are as afraid as everyone else.

I have heard on the news the condemning the beheading and killing children. I have not heard voices saying stop killing Christians just because they are Christian, or stop killing Muslims who are of a different group. Just people saying stop, not defending the right of anyone to have and exercise their own faith.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


Wherever did you get the idea I think Western youths should step in?



Um...
I didn't say you thought that. I was explaining how I understand the reason Western youths are stepping in...


I made it quite plain it is the Muslims themselves who need to work up the courage, and it will take great courage, to step in and stop the "great genocide of Islam" that is taking place.
And now you're switching horses here, in the middle of the stream.
You alleged that the Western media is responsible for the beheadings of Christians (by way of saying Christians are bad).... !!!!

I thought, honestly, you were saying Western media need to work up the courage to step up and defend Christians!!


Okay, I think we're done here. We don't understand one another, clearly.
I'm exhausted by all of this.
Take care, be safe.


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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You are right, when posting like this and not talking in person, misunderstandings happen, well, frequently.

Yes, I am saying the media and Christian bashers have some culpability because the portrait painted of Christians as basically bad people makes it easier for ISIS/ISIL to justify what they are doing.

The Western media does need to stand up for the right of people to freely exercise their choice of religion, but they won't, because their line is "all religion is bad and by extension all people of faith are bad". Which is an evil assumption in and of itself.

However, it is only the kind, loving and truly holy Muslims that can step in and stop all of this, no one else in the world has the credibility to be able to do it.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Good night.

We will never agree, but that is ok, and it is clear you agree it is ok.

Wish more people thought that "It's ok we have differing ideas, opinions, beliefs"



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


We will never agree, but that is ok, and it is clear you agree it is ok.

Actually, I would prefer that "we" all sit down and talk it over...rather than simply disagreeing.


Wish more people thought that "It's ok we have differing ideas, opinions, beliefs"


So do I, as long as when they think that, they are not pushing war and violence and damnation. So that we could all live together and not give a rip about what "beliefs" are held. If people would only keep their religious beliefs to themselves.

:cry:



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 07:49 PM
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While faith may be acceptable in religion, it's not really acceptable regarding research. Post sources backing up all of your claims, especially considering that all of these stories were provided to back up the absurd claim that the majority religion in a country who has "in god we trust" on their money and the phrase "under god" in their pledge, amongst other things, is being persecuted.

Also, you probably shouldn't refer to the removal team sanctioned prayers at public schools as forcing atheism upon Christians, because it kind of makes you look an idiot. Why you offered a source for that and not for say, Muslim Prayer Rooms in Public Schools is beyond me, since that's clearly a far better point for your case. The fact that you don't understand why the largest most influential religion in America is the most targeted isn't helping much either.

It's almost like you don't want to be taken seriously.

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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: technical difficulties

It's clear you have not read the 8 preceding pages.

When one posts something like you have well into a discussion, it is clear when you haven't read any of the posts except the OP.

Please go back and read all 8 pages, then comment.

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


Why would they not see the killing of Christians as acceptable to the rest of the world when the rest of the world's leadership and media constantly and consistently bashes christians as awful people?


You think ISIS is pretty hip to what the American atheists are saying - and what they say is that Christians should be killed? They make their gruesome decisions based on our political squabbles?

Not a prayer then - not a word for all the many others they've decided to torture, maim or kill? Your main concern is that they're killing Christians?

You're blaming the insanity that's going on over there - on atheists?

Shame on you


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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: technical difficulties

It's clear you have not read the 8 preceding pages.

When one posts something like you have well into a discussion, it is clear when you haven't read any of the posts except the OP.

Please go back and read all 8 pages, then comment.

Thanks.

Apparently the OP didn't either, otherwise sources would've been provided in the OP. How about: if you're going to make a claim, provide information backing up said claim, rather than sending readers on a scavenger hunt on the information that supposedly proves your point. It's common sense, and the fact that I have to explain this to you is quite telling.

The "google it" defense and all of it's variations are lazy and dumb. Stop using it.





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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Actually, they don't even have regard for Sunni.

There is no respect for Christians in the media. They are one of the few groups it is safe to mock and or denigrate, just like big business, conservatives, military veterans, Republicans, fat people, militias/gun owners, Nazis and smokers among others. If you are in entertainment or the media, you can openly mock or use these groups as villains as much as you want without worrying about the consequences or being seen as un-PC.



Wow. It amazes me the depth of the perceived suffering by right-wingers with this new found persecution complex. You are aware that conservative media outlets dominate cable news and talk radio right? The newspaper split seems roughly even and there are thousands of exclusively conservative web sites. Where is this magical world where it's only allowable to make fun of conservatives and not liberals?

Who makes fun of military vets? Where is this happening in mainstream culture? This is completely bogus.
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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 08:26 PM
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All these groups are doing is getting religion out of state sponsored activities


Agreed, but modern, American Christianity really does need to go. Not only has it become a charicature of stupidity, but really does a lot of damage to our society, other countries, and our planet.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 09:09 PM
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I gave up reading all the bull after the first 5 pages. After that you guys are just being jerks.



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