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The Onesided Destruction of Christianity in America

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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Um... A cab company is a private company and manages the religious activities of its employees however it wants. That is, without the government's influence.

Your examples of christian persecution are hyperbole. First off a teacher in a public school is under government domain so that is certainly something that can be cracked down on because it isn't right or legal. You are going to have to produce evidence of Christian sports teams and prayer groups being cracked down on. It just looks like a bunch of anecdotal evidence to me.

In fact, please start sourcing your claims. You seem to be making many accusations of persecution against Christianity but haven't produced ANY sources or links to back those claims up. The one story I was familiar with, showed that you were HIGHLY exaggerating what was going on. So source your claims!


Cab companies don't own the streets they blocked my taxes paid for that.

get a life you just hate Christians just admit it and move on.


Well those cab companies would get a ticket for blocking the street if a police officer saw them. Religious practice (without a permit) is no reason to stop traffic on a busy street. So I'm saying you are wrong here.

Though the other part is an ad hominem attack. Well done sir, you just displayed one of the petty last resorts of someone with a terrible argument in the process of being utterly defeated. I've laid down point after point explaining why you are wrong and instead of refuting ANY OF THEM you stoop to insulting my character.


There were cops there and they did nothing. But if a Christian groups stood even 30 feet near a planned parenthood outlet with the hopes of saving one child from death. they are arrested and ticked for blocking the sidewalk.

Again the hypocrisy is blatant on so many levels.




posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Um... A cab company is a private company and manages the religious activities of its employees however it wants. That is, without the government's influence.

Your examples of christian persecution are hyperbole. First off a teacher in a public school is under government domain so that is certainly something that can be cracked down on because it isn't right or legal. You are going to have to produce evidence of Christian sports teams and prayer groups being cracked down on. It just looks like a bunch of anecdotal evidence to me.

In fact, please start sourcing your claims. You seem to be making many accusations of persecution against Christianity but haven't produced ANY sources or links to back those claims up. The one story I was familiar with, showed that you were HIGHLY exaggerating what was going on. So source your claims!


Cab companies don't own the streets they blocked my taxes paid for that.

get a life you just hate Christians just admit it and move on.


Well those cab companies would get a ticket for blocking the street if a police officer saw them. Religious practice (without a permit) is no reason to stop traffic on a busy street. So I'm saying you are wrong here.

Though the other part is an ad hominem attack. Well done sir, you just displayed one of the petty last resorts of someone with a terrible argument in the process of being utterly defeated. I've laid down point after point explaining why you are wrong and instead of refuting ANY OF THEM you stoop to insulting my character.


There were cops there and they did nothing. But if a Christian groups stood even 30 feet near a planned parenthood outlet with the hopes of saving one child from death. they are arrested and ticked for blocking the sidewalk.

Again the hypocrisy is blatant on so many levels.


Show me proof that this is happening. Last I checked, Christians protest abortion clinics all the time and I have NEVER heard of any of them getting arrested for doing it. POST SOURCES TO YOUR CLAIMS!



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I didn't say Anabaptist I said baptist. that is what the romans catholic called them in a document dated to the 1200's. If i can get the name or link of the document for you I will post it so you can read it for your self.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I didn't say Anabaptist I said baptist. that is what the romans catholic called them in a document dated to the 1200's. If i can get the name or link of the document for you I will post it so you can read it for your self.



Yes you did, but you edited your post. The reason I know this is because I had never heard of the denomination of anabaptist and that's why I looked it up. I am testing your claims when I can, because frankly I don't trust the words coming out of your mouth as the truth. Everything you post is sensationalized, exaggerated, or anecdotal.
edit on 13-8-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I didn't say Anabaptist I said baptist. that is what the romans catholic called them in a document dated to the 1200's. If i can get the name or link of the document for you I will post it so you can read it for your self.



Yes you did, but you edited your post. The reason I know this is because I had never heard of the denomination of anabaptist and that's why I looked it up. I am testing your claims when I can, because frankly I don't trust the words coming out of your mouth as the truth. Everything you post is sensationalized, exaggerated, or anecdotal.


wouldn't you want to correct your post if you made a mistake?



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

So I'm reading the article you just provided and it doesn't look like the state is ok with this as you originally claimed.


The taxi drivers are double and triple parking in a huge line that forces traffic into the oncoming lane.
The situation has flared up and on one occasion a cop telling a taxi driver to move on was swarmed by other hacks - and had to call for reinforcements.
When several other police cars arrived the taxi driver was handcuffed and led away.


So what's the problem? The state isn't sanctioning this activity.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: RickinVa

Who called you anti-american?

I sure didn't and I don't think what I said even came close to it.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I didn't say Anabaptist I said baptist. that is what the romans catholic called them in a document dated to the 1200's. If i can get the name or link of the document for you I will post it so you can read it for your self.



Yes you did, but you edited your post. The reason I know this is because I had never heard of the denomination of anabaptist and that's why I looked it up. I am testing your claims when I can, because frankly I don't trust the words coming out of your mouth as the truth. Everything you post is sensationalized, exaggerated, or anecdotal.


wouldn't you want to correct your post if you made a mistake?



Baptists


Baptist historian Bruce Gourley outlines four main views of Baptist origins: (1) The modern scholarly consensus that the movement traces its origin to the 17th century via the English Separatists, (2) the view that it was an outgrowth of Anabaptist traditions, (3) the perpetuity view which assumes that the Baptist faith and practice has existed since the time of Christ, and (4) the successionist view, or "Baptist successionism", which argues that Baptist churches actually existed in an unbroken chain since the time of Christ.[3]


Baptist successionism


Since the end of the 19th century the trend in academic Baptist historiography has been away from the successionist viewpoint to the view that modern day Baptists are an outgrowth of 17th century English Separatism.[9] This shift precipitated a controversy among Southern Baptists which occasioned the forced resignation of William H. Whitsitt, a professor at Southern Baptist Seminary, in 1898 from the seminary for advocating the new view, though his views continued to be taught in the seminary after his departure.[10]


Yea, you are still wrong.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ChesterJohn

So I'm reading the article you just provided and it doesn't look like the state is ok with this as you originally claimed.


The taxi drivers are double and triple parking in a huge line that forces traffic into the oncoming lane.
The situation has flared up and on one occasion a cop telling a taxi driver to move on was swarmed by other hacks - and had to call for reinforcements.
When several other police cars arrived the taxi driver was handcuffed and led away.


So what's the problem? The state isn't sanctioning this activity.


Yep and the state is not sanctioning before school and after school prayer either, But in supplying muslims with during school rooms to pray, that do interrupt class schedules.

I am surprised with all the various news site you read you are not so balanced or tolerant, and that you haven't read the stories I have on those very same sites.

It show you are more anti-christian than any other religion just like the OP states about these so called anti-religion groups.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ChesterJohn

So I'm reading the article you just provided and it doesn't look like the state is ok with this as you originally claimed.


The taxi drivers are double and triple parking in a huge line that forces traffic into the oncoming lane.
The situation has flared up and on one occasion a cop telling a taxi driver to move on was swarmed by other hacks - and had to call for reinforcements.
When several other police cars arrived the taxi driver was handcuffed and led away.


So what's the problem? The state isn't sanctioning this activity.


Yep and the state is not sanctioning before school and after school prayer either, But in supplying muslims with during school rooms to pray, that do interrupt class schedules.


Here's what I got about muslims getting prayer rugs and rooms in school since you decline to post sources.
Victoria Taft says Rigler Elementary gave prayer room, rugs, special treatment to Muslim students


Well, given that, we find the claim to be not only false but ridiculous: Pants on Fire.



I am surprised with all the various news site you read you are not so balanced or tolerant, and that you haven't read the stories I have on those very same sites.


I never made any claims to what news sites I read and don't read. I think it is irrelevant to the discussion to tell you how I gather my information about the world. Whether I've read the article in question or not is unrelated. If you make a claim, you source that claim. End of story. The fact that you keep exaggerating and spewing out false claims is a testament to the fact that every time you speak I want to see that what you are saying is properly sourced.


It show you are more anti-christian than any other religion just like the OP states about these so called anti-religion groups.


It doesn't show anything and you are making assumption about me.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
People can "do good" without having to claim a "God."


People can "do bad" without having to claim a "God" too.

Which seems like a given, of course, but it seems to be overlooked by many. Especially when someone does something like suggest ending religion would solve all of the worlds problems. Statements like that suggest that one is unable to "do bad" if they claim no God(s). The issue is deeper than that, and in suggesting otherwise, it ends up contributing to the overall problem.

To be clear, I am not accusing you of this personally, but undoubtedly you have seen zealous behavior. When it comes from an opposing group of theists, it just becomes 'You are unable to "do good" if you claim their God(s)' and 'You are unable to "do bad" if you believe in our God(s).'

As grandma suggests, this is a problem that exists in almost every societal group. Just replace "God(s)" with any group; democrat, republican, socialist, hunter, hippie, etc. The labels we apply to ourselves are directly attached to how we perceive our lives. In that, trying to separate out an individuals way of life from how they approach governance is a futile attempt. Whether or not it is openly communicated wont change that it will influence the decisions the individual makes.

I would rather know how they believed or didn't believe, but not as an attempt to convert. Maybe more in the context of a monologue on how they see their place in this world, what drives their decisions, and what means they feel are acceptable to accomplish those goals. It is especially relevant when one compares what they claim to believe and what actions they actually take. When they are not the same, we know they are willing to lie to others (perhaps even themselves) in order to achieve their goals.

Someone who is practicing Christianity at its core would likely be the best leader we have seen in a very long time, as long as their plan was effective. Just as someone who is an atheist that acts in the same manner would be the best leader we have seen in a very long time, as long as their plan was effective. Regardless of the source of an individuals beliefs, one can be of great moral fiber. The issue in government and politics is that we have plans that are effective (even though they may appear inept), but there is a great lack of morals of any kind and a lot of hypocrisy. Most are more concerned with massive bank accounts than caring for their brothers and sisters (the nation).

There is most certainly an attack on Christianity, just as there are most certainly attacks on atheism. The problem is that this feeds zealots on both sides, who then further fuel the fire and then the hate starts to grow and grow. Until we take a step back and learn not only to "live and let live," but work together, we will continue to have the same problems. And it will continue to be used as a tool for manipulation and misdirection.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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Once again, where are the actual FACTS to back up your statement in the OP? All you have done is spewed rhetoric all over the thread, with not an ounce of FACT to discuss.


Someone on page 5 claimed that the atheists are grouping all Christians together with hate. And that the only instances that are brought up are very old. Apparently she's not reading much, because in my posts and some from the other people, many of today's modern world examples have been presented. On top of that, people aren't grouping you all together collectively, we are only commenting on people who post to this thread and that they GENERALLY agree with the religious persecution enacted by Christians, yet have the tenacity to WHINE when they can't get everything their way. The OP won't cite sources for his claims and the supporters twist the words around, so honestly peeps... If you have your head on straight you will realize there's no point arguing with a brick wall.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Reality check... what most atheist or humanist groups call for is ending Christian favoritism. In the case of Muslim prayer rooms... it isn't favoritism it's just simple logic, A Christian can bow their head or close their eyes anytime anywhere and pray to God and their religious beliefs don't include having to pray at a certain time during the day or to do it a certain way. Muslims pray differently and their beliefs include praying at certain times of the day and it involves getting down and prostrating yourself, not practical for the classroom.

As far as the school denying a Bible group praying at the schools flag, the school didn't say Christians only can't pray here and probably only the Christian group asked in the first place. This is a really, really, REALLY simple concept here... government and anything funded by it is not supposed to sanction ANY religion but Christianity essentially has been sanctioned by the government across the entire United States. So while SOME Christians are brainwashed into thinking they are under attack because PEOPLE, for example, want the Ten Commandments removed from courthouses... in reality it's just PEOPLE wanting to get out from under the influence of Christianity where NO religion belonged to begin with.


Wait, so it's OK to set aside rooms for Muslim prayer ... how is that not as much an endorsement of religion as letting a group independently pray at a location of their choosing? Your own words set up a contradiction. If it isn't an endorsement to accommodate Muslim prayer, then it likewise isn't an endorsement to accommodate Christian prayer. The only endorsement would be if the school required people to join either group who otherwise wouldn't do so.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: Specimen
Christianity should be more scared of Christianity.

Cause at least the atheists ain't torturing, burning, murdering like the christians did a few centuries ago.

Instead of burning witchs, should b *itchs.


Let me invite you to study up on Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin ...



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: AnteBellum

Just wow.

Never knew I was anti-american.


I don't have a problem with religion as long as it stays in the church.


Some people believe in a God. Some people believe in a mythical creature called "Bigfoot". Neither exists


Here is the problem though. If you are sincere in your faith and belief, then you live it. That means it does not "stay in church." You make a sincere effort to bring those beliefs and values home with you and live them 24/7. I guess you and I might have a problem.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: grandmakdw


And it is humanity itself that can be the most destructive to other human beings. Humanity is the greatest threat to itself.

I agree with you there.

Humanity is also the lot that came up with "religion." Do you think we might someday outgrow it?



If we "outgrow" it, then we have only ourselves minding the house. If humanity is its own worst enemy, that is truly a scary prospect because there will then be nothing keeping us in check but our own so-called better nature.

No thanks. I've studied the worst things humanity can do when it thinks it's "god."



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ChesterJohn


Either get on with the truth of Equality of all religions to practice in the public or all not to be able to practice in public. Otherwise they are just Hypocrites.

Maybe practicing in public (especially when at least SOME of the "public" that are present are not all keen on the ideas) is the problem.
Can't they keep it private?


Why just make one religion, the one you don't like, keep it private? Would we ask one ethnicity to keep themselves private? Wouldn't that be racist or discriminatory or something?



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Um... A cab company is a private company and manages the religious activities of its employees however it wants. That is, without the government's influence.

Your examples of christian persecution are hyperbole. First off a teacher in a public school is under government domain so that is certainly something that can be cracked down on because it isn't right or legal. You are going to have to produce evidence of Christian sports teams and prayer groups being cracked down on. It just looks like a bunch of anecdotal evidence to me.

In fact, please start sourcing your claims. You seem to be making many accusations of persecution against Christianity but haven't produced ANY sources or links to back those claims up. The one story I was familiar with, showed that you were HIGHLY exaggerating what was going on. So source your claims!


Woah! Can we revisit your beliefs on Hobby Lobby?



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ChesterJohn


I have another thread from last year that has most of those links however I don't need to back up what is true. Just because you haven't read the stories doesn't mean their not true.

Try reading a little more foxnews and be a little more balanced.


LOL!!
I DO read Foxnews, and also TheBlaze, and also Huffington post, and CNN, and NPR, and Consortium News, and Alternet.....
I get a balanced view of it.

Do you??

And yes, you DO need to back up what you claim is true. Fox is not "true".


And ... those other sources are?



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