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Human Flu in Korean Pigs

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posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 06:54 PM
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Recent sequences of flu virus isolated from pigs in South Korea have human flu sequences from 1933 which are related to the 1918 pandemic strain

www.recombinomics.com...




posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 09:33 PM
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The details on the 1933 sequences are at

www.recombinomics.com...

This is either a VERY dangerous lab experiment, or someone is asleep at the switch and this would be much more serious than the dead canary in the mine shaft.



posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 11:32 AM
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One of the major problems is that in Asia ducks, chickens and pigs are often held together in the same space.

Since the waterbirds breed often and can fly long distances, they are the primary deliveringmethod for new bird virusses, however the genetic makeup of these waterbirds differs too much from humans to make direct transmission likely.

What happens is that: the waterbirds will transmit to the ducks and chickens and since these chickens are held together with pigs eventually a mutation evolves that can use the pig as host, now the genetic makeup of a pig is much closer to the human genome (they even consider using pig hearts for transplants etc.)

Stepping stones, as china industrializes I think we see less of small scale mixed farming and more of huge american style monospecies "plants", but until that time we could have another nasty pandemic, especially since the mixed farming practice is also popular in Vietnam, Cambodja etc...


Maybe the restrictions in some religions about keeping together (products of) different animals have a very rational background.....

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posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 01:35 PM
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The sequences in pigs on a farm in Korea almost certainly came from a lab (medical or military)

www.recombinomics.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 03:16 PM
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One starts to think......I wonder how many of these infected pigs have crossed over to North Korea? OR......Did they come from North Korea?


I wonder whats at work in the background here?

Could this be deeper than just some sick pigs with a human strain of the flu?



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
One starts to think......I wonder how many of these infected pigs have crossed over to North Korea? OR......Did they come from North Korea?


I wonder whats at work in the background here?

Could this be deeper than just some sick pigs with a human strain of the flu?


The 1933 human flu sequences in the Korean pigs looks real.

www.recombinomics.com...

It is not clear how they got there, but the virus is almost certainly from a lab and a VERY serious health risk.

At this stage, bioterrorism can definitely NOT be ruled out.



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by niman

At this stage, bioterrorism can definitely NOT be ruled out.


...My research tells me the original bioweapon was spread in vaccinations to US troops in WWI - and that most of the rest is "natural" mutation - resulting from the agent reacting to pollution and environmental change, with maybe some periodic tinkering and experimentation.

...The key agent is an actin protein - and likely a prion - capable of hitchhiking on viruses and infecting virtually any cell in any lifeform.

...H5N1 has long been able to jump species without any intermediary.

The original disease finally acknowledged in humans after it is proved to be transmitted congenitally:
Leadbetter WF: Hypertension in unilateral renal disease. J Urol 1938, 39:611-626. (Sorry, no link)

...transmitted from humans to birds, NOT the other way around.
Julian LM. The occurrence of fibromuscular dysplasia in the arteries of domestic turkeys. Am J Pathol. 1980 Nov;101(2):415-24. PMID: 7435545
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Travels from USA to Japan.
Braga IS 3rd, Tanaka S, Itakura C, Mizutani M. Fibromuscular dysplasia in intramuscular arteries of Japanese quail (Coturnix coturnix japonica). J Comp Pathol. 1996 Feb;114(2):123-30. PMID: 8920213
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Found as benign form in avian reovirus, Brazil.
From the Brazilian Journal of Veterinary Research and Animal Science ... (RE: FMD pathology in avian reovirus)
www.scielo.br...

First deadly mutation transmitted back to humans.
"The Next Influenza Pandemic: Lessons from Hong Kong, 1997"
www.cdc.gov...

more...

"WHO refutes claims that bird flu virus originated from China"
www.chinaview.cn 2004-01-31 13:24:00

"H5N1 has laid waste to poultry stocks across wide swathes of Asia but it doesn't restrict itself to chickens. People, pigs, dogs, domestic cats, tigers and leopards -- the virus has surprised experts by showing it can infect far afield without acquiring the non-avian genetic material once thought to be necessary for it to jump species."
www.canada.com...


Of further interest: "Weird Life: Viruses and Prions"
www.biology.iupui.edu...

"Playing chicken with public health"
www.bangkokpost.com...


July, 2004.
"US scientists need better ways to fight the influence of industry and politics on scientific inquiry,... Whether they are studying global warming, environmental toxins, or workplace safety, scientists who find their research unjustifiably shunned or suppressed face similar challenges from corporate and special interests...
...Baird also took the scientific community to task for failing to respond to the suppression of science (and contended that) scientists ... must "stand up for the democratic process itself."
...An April 2004 General Accounting Office report ...said some departments have appointed members of industry and stakeholder groups, persons who are exempt from conflict-of-interest rules. Industry leaders may therefore theoretically be profiting from their own advice."
Fighting for integrity. Delegates at a CSPI meeting dismayed at corporate influence, politicization of science.
www.biomedcentral.com...


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[edit on 10-12-2004 by soficrow] ...brain burps.

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posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 04:58 PM
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What do prions have to do with a flu virus that escaped from a lab?



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by niman
What do prions have to do with a flu virus that escaped from a lab?


IMO - the "virus escaped from a lab" story is just the latest in a long line of cover-ups. ...Most modern diseases mutated from a human disease called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) - and FMD looks like the original stealth biological weapon - released purposefully and given to American soldiers in vaccines in WWI.

One line of mutation runs from FMD to avian reovirus to flu viruses (see refs above).

You need to know a bit about FMD to get the prion connection…

The FMD disease process starts with an actin protein called “a-smooth muscle actin” (a-SMA). The a-SMA hijacks cells by turning other actin proteins into copies of itself, on contact. This “a-SMA takeover” results in the creation of a mutated cell called a “myofibroblast.” Myofibroblasts then proliferate in tissue via cell-cell contact, accumulate to cause “fibrosis” and create holes called “vacuoles.”

…a-SMA is obviously an infectious prion. …All the characteristics scream prion – the role of a-SMA in the disease process, the molecular biology and cell dynamics, the fact that the protein adapts and mutates in response to ‘environmental’ change and on exposure to new cells, the fact that the disease is very slowly progressive and degenerative…

…Scientists started warning the world in the 1970’s that weird new diseases were beginning to evolve, against which we have no natural immunity - and the primary source of these new disease mutations looks to be the actin protein found in FMD.

In 1986, scientists Schmidt, Lempke and Essler warned that ‘proteinaceous capsids’ were using viruses as vehicles of transmission – and that the disease process caused RNA interference. [Publ. Bio/Technology and Applied Microbiology and Biotechnology.]

Actin proteins are present in virtually every cell of every lifeform on the planet – from human cells to bacteria, viruses, spirochetes, yeasts, molds and everything else. Infectious prions spread via contact with proteins of similar forms – so infectious actin prions can access and “infect” actin in any cell from any form of life.

…The refs in the post above track FMD from humans to domestic turkeys in the USA (1980) to quail in Japan (1996) and show it to be present in an avian reovirus. …The key infectious agent is obviously an infectious actin prion, which likely first ‘hitchhiked’ on a flu virus then later, caused new mutations by modifying that virus’ genetic structure.

…FMD looks like a stealth biological weapon – it did not “escape from a lab" but apparently was released purposefully – in the USA, in 1914. …FMD is NOT a new creation, nor are its ‘offspring.’

FMD has been spreading and mutating for almost a century. Besides new (and old) flu viruses, we’re looking at virulent new strains of E. coli, rabies, Lyme disease and hundreds more. The pathway is actin – and the key infectious agent is a prion. “Bioterrorists” do not have to do anything. It’s all been done for them.

…IMO – The current scare tactics about bioterrorism are designed to keep the original ‘attack’ covered-up and protect the perpetrators from liability charges. FYI – it looks like the vaccine suppliers for the US military in WWI were Rockefeller and Merck.



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posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by niman
What do prions have to do with a flu virus that escaped from a lab?


IMO - the "virus escaped from a lab" story is just the latest in a long line of cover-ups. ....

What does you opinion have to do with the facts? The suquences of the isolates from the pigs are in the public domain. They are at GenBank which literally has humdreds of thousands of sequences. The 2004 isolates clearly came from WSN/33 which is a human flu virus from 1933.

www.recombinomics.com...

I think that facts would be more useful than opinions. The key question is how the sequences got from the lab to pigs in Korea in 2004.

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posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by niman

Originally posted by soficrow

What do prions have to do with a flu virus that escaped from a lab?

IMO - the "virus escaped from a lab" story is just the latest in a long line of cover-ups. ....



Originally posted by niman
What does you opinion have to do with the facts? The 2004 isolates clearly came from WSN/33 which is a human flu virus from 1933.


Pul-leeze. Your opinion that this strain could only come from a lab cannot be substantiated. Your opinion that it did not mutate from a 1914 stealth bio-weapon cannot be proved.

...my references on the other hand show clear lines of mutation and evolution, and explain the molecular and genetic science. ...It is quite likely that the strain hid latent in a natural environment and just re-emerged.



I think that facts would be more useful than opinions.


So do I.



The key question is how the sequences got from the lab to pigs in Korea in 2004.


Your "key question" is based on an assumption - and looks like warmongering bioterrorism scare tactics. ...FYI - evolution is a natural process - not just the product of scientific tinkering.

FMD was released in the early 1900's - and it got waayyy out of control. We are only just beginning to see the effects of its mutational capability.

...This 'switch and ditch' blame-the-terrorists tactic is all about protecting the original perps from liability charges. ...If you really want to find the bad guys - investigate Rockefeller and Merck's vaccine manufacturing and their 1914 links to the US government and military.

...If all you're doing is pushing the NWO corporate agenda (currently worth $5.6 Trillion dollars in the BioShield program alone) - hey, do whatcha gotta do to get your little piece of the pie.


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