a reply to: EyesOpenMouthShut
Don't take my first paragraph as criticism of you. I am merely stating the case for all of us. This is long, but read what I have written and you
will see this thread by a different light. Don't skim. Think about what I have said here.
Most of the presuppositions that we use to found our theological beliefs are speculative conclusions at best. Like all of us, you are outlining your
presuppositions here according to your own understanding, but true knowledge of the Word of God is only found in the symbolism encoded under the outer
story. Apart from specific scripture references to back up speculations, there is no way to discuss the points made in this thread. Consider
breaking your doubt into small segments and examples with scripture reference to back up what you are claiming.
Here is simply one small example: You state that everything was created in six days. Who's perspective is this narrative from? We assume a day is
24 hours. This would be true if a human were giving the narrative. The solar system revolves around the central sun every 220 million years. The
Genesis narrative was given to Moses by a being that is not human. In addition to this, there is a concept in physics know as time dilation.
Assuming that the narrative is told from the perspective of an entity that is outside of time, perspective and frame of reference is not the same for
us. You also state that everything was created in six day. It's a big universe, but is the narrative in Genesis is speaking of Earth only?
A good example of time dilation is a human traveling away from Earth with FTL (faster than light) drives on their ship. If they travel a few years
away from Earth, then back again, the people of Earth would be thousands of years older. The faster they travel away and back, the more time elapses
for those on Earth, yet the occupants of the ship are only a few years older. Time is relative to space, mass and distance traveled. Space and time
are essentially the same thing. Any entity trying to give us a narrow understanding of creation would need to use symbolism and analogy to get the
message across to us over time. As our understanding increases, the complexity of the narrative expands.
There are many reasons that our presuppositions about scripture can be fatally flawed. We are all working from a flawed theology that sees the word
of God as a shadow of what it really represents. This is the trouble with being a dimension lower than the thing we are examining. Look at it this
way. A 3D object casts a 2D shadow. Look at your own shadow. If you have the correct presuppositions about the shape of a dog compared to a human,
then you will see the difference between the two shadows. Apart from being able to first see the 3D object, your own speculation about the shadows
would be fatally flawed. It is wrong to conclude that something is entirely false based on your own inability to understand.
This is where faith comes in. Faith allows us to see the shadow from the clues left behind. Regardless of your understanding, faith allows room for
hope in what is true. The best of what we can ever imagine about supreme goodness is always found by following the shadow cast by the word of God.
It is the foundation that shows us the hidden reality of heaven (order) as opposed to hell (chaos).
How is faith defined by the Bible:
11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
This is where the enigma of the Bible is so easy to see. It's a shadow yes, but we can assume the larger perspective by realizing that it always
explains itself. We are speaking of faith in relation to how the world was created. I am showing you the truth of the matter here and the Word backs
me up perfectly. There is no mistake in this. The answers are always provided as long as we are willing to see what it hidden. Again, it's by
dimension. Without faith, it is impossible to see with this type of vision. With faith, the answers appear from symbolism.
Ask a small child to choose a dime or nickle. They choose the one that is larger. Ask someone who knows the symbolism and they choose the dime for
its hidden value. To understand the Word, you must know the value under the words. Symbolism is where this value is defined. We cannot understand
truth apart from living that truth. Application is necessary or we are blinded.
Another good example is found in my first thread on ATS concerning DNA. Creation is explained in the symbolism of Hebrew letters and words:
If you apply what can be known from the thread I link, compare this to the
verses above. What is unseen? Information. It's a hologram. Change your presupposition to what we can know today and your paradigm shifts back
toward a view that sees the shadow for what it represents in reality.
Read the thread I linked, then go back to Hebrews 11 above. Ask yourself if it is possible that God rendered reality from information in six days.
Can a human render a virtual reality like Avatar in a few years on the movie screen? What stops a God from doing the same in six days?
It's either possible or impossible. Possible is the better answer.
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