Icke actually covers many of the things you say he doesn't.

I don't dispute the NWO exists, I spend my days observing it. What I do dispute is the use of the word "Alien/Fallen Angel".

You go on about Armageddon, as if it's real, it's not, it's fake. No? don't agree? going to throw your bible at me?

I have always used the Bible as a reference point, and the point of the bible is stories of example. Revelations can be interepretated as a twist of logic designed to allow Tyranny. "You will be under threat, but if you Obey and Serve God, you will be chosen".

The NWO use "faith" as the stick to beat everyone with, this means, in my mind, that the Bible is the most useful propaganda tool ever invented, and it always serves as the "grey area" between action and decision.

"God wants Dubya to be President, he must be a good person" etc... The b*lllsh*t of the Right and the Left are not so dissimilar.

Where, in your opinion, do The Holographic Universe, and "String Theory" come into the equation? Don't dismiss either because you haven't heard of them, String Theory, if correct explains the nature of ourselves and everything.

Therefore, whilst the NWO does exist and is very powerful on the material plane of reality, it's not the whole story.

Being Afraid of NWO is like being afraid of the spider you thought you saw on the wall for a second, that turned out to be a mark.

NWO is Real, it exists only on it's own side, we on the outside who are aware of it's immense influence of Globalization, are concerned, but we know that the transformation will not be stopped now, the NWO is consolidating what it has, the Right is incredibly in dangerous in the Western nations, but it will not enslave us in a prison without bars. it will either kill us all, overtly enslave us all, or it will be stopped. and possibly sent back to where it came from.

There are no "truths" we don't already know, there's just information to confirm what we think.

Peace Love and Truth

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the only flaw in that theory is that the bible says that the whole world will be against you if u do chose the Lord at the end times. therefore it would be a bad twist as you would call it.

Wow nice pyrimid man This has to be the most complete theory of the NWO that I have ever seen.That does actually explain a lot and makes almost perfect sense. Satan ruling the world does make sense, but why wouldn't God try to save his creation, or maybe he has already? And I have always agreed with the thought that what people believed to be Aliens are Angels/Fallen Angels. Good post and I hope this bring a lot of good conversations

i dont personally agree with you, but i have neither the expertise nor ability to disprove you (you see, im at the bottom right now). ill get back to you in a decade or so...

anyway, i just want to say FANTASTIC post. very, very thorough, thought out, and expertly explained. high quality.

Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
I believe that the New World Order constitutes part of a "unified theory" of conspiracy theories.




[edit on 2004/12/4 by wecomeinpeace]

Yes, I wouldn't dispute a dot of this, but who or what is in the Eye?
We must assume oncoming clampdown, but from Where?

First of all Lucifer is NOT Satan!

I really don't get you NEO-Conservative Right Wing NWO Nuts! Why are you so scared of the "NWO" - you are scared of an Orderly Society? Let me tell you it is "CHAOS" that scares me! Why are all you Right Wing Fundamentalist NEO-CON Nuts doing on the Internet Anyway? The Internet is a Repository for Information & Knowledge - I know that this frightens you!!! When you get exposed to the TRUTH & your Old World view comes crashing down around your head - Frightening - NWO is coming to get you - it’s all around you!!!

Show me a Picture/Image of this "SATAN" & I will believe your Paranoid Ranting!! What I see are Weak Minded People being CONTROLLED by Religion - calling all others but themselves "Satanists" & then committing Atrocious Heinous Acts - all in the name of "God" of-course!!!

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Let me tell you it is "CHAOS" that scares me!



But dont you know that NWO uses CHAOS as a tool to bring in their idea of ORDER. Surely you have heard of "Out of Chaos Order" ??? Thats whats happening at the moment in Iraqi, thats what all the major revolutions have been about (French, Russian etc) You really need to read up on NWO and the root of it before you post comments like that! The easiest way to push a change is to create "chaos" you actually have to do that to destroy the old and bring in the new if you want to make the change acceptable to millions of people. its been used ALL THROUGH OUT TIME!

wecomeinpeace, very good post. i dont believe in aliens i do believe in fallen angels and that there are more things under heaven and earth than we can all ever possibly imagine!

Revelations does state that the "world will hate you", however, you can view that from either side of whose "Right".

Those who voted for Bush believe they are God's people.

Those who didn't vote for Bush believe those who did are Satanists.

the NWO has a great habit of splitting society into splinter groups of splinter groups, with fractions of degrees separating views.

"The peoples front of Judea? F**K off, we're the Judean people's front" as Monty Python said...

those who doubt NWO existence should look at what is happening at the UN - "reform" has been announced to make "Pre-Emptive doctrine" acceptable.

Russia now says it will take pre-emptive actions because, to quote Putin "America does it so why can't we?". Technically he's right, morally he's a lizard scumbag as much as Bush is.

the Secret world and the Accepted world are intertwined but world's apart.

Whilst NWO do carry out Satanic Ritual (see Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones), and there is likely a Malevolent Being behind it, this does not mean this being is "Satan", no matter what power it seems to have.

To buy the idea that Satan is real, is to confirm to the NWO that they've got your mind.

The information in the first post is interesting and most probably correct to a point, it's the Labels that I dispute.

NWO is here, it's real, Satan is a smokescreen,

No man or woman should be afraid, within us, we have the power to overcome anything, we are Amazing Beings.

for more on String Theory, read "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene, that explains this world much more than "Pyramids of Control".

what you believe satan is a smoke screen?

who exactly do you think actually wrote the bible???

i presume from your post that you believe the bible is a work of men, and that it is not the true word of God, because what you are posting makes no sense.

there is a being called satan, the devil the ancient serpent. there is also the LORD or GOD who rules over all creation.

from what i could understand of your post you put it forward that even to believe in the bible is to be under some form of control of the NWO??? am i correct in my understanding of your post?

all those socialists/communists want a one world government

it's only going to be mass oppression and slavery

an elite will emerge

they are too blind to realise it

Quote: "But don’t you know that NWO uses CHAOS as a tool to bring in their idea of ORDER."

Touche! You got me!

Who do I think wrote the "Bible" (what ever that means - when are you people going to realize that the King James Bible didn't just fall out of the Sky - It is a Composite Book formed from Many other Books from Different Times, Languages & Cultures) -> MEN!

Ah yes - here we go again - the Serpent - Symbol of Knowledge & Wisdom -that is "Satan". Wow you sure do like to Revel in your own Ignorance. Looks like we have another "Zombie for God"!



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[edit on 5-12-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

To buy the idea that Satan is real, is to confirm to the NWO that they've got your mind.

I don't believe this is true. I believe that the The NWO wants us to believe that Satan does not exist and that religion is a means of control invented by mankind.

We are being trained to think that religion is the source of all wars, greed and suffering in the world and without these religions, the world would be a peaceful, harmonious "brotherhood of man", striving to find the Inner God in all of us. This is not limited to Islam, but also includes Christianity and all of its offshoots. Funny thing about this "brotherhood of man" is that these acts have all been committed by man in his infinite wisdom, and neatly blamed on God(s).

GWB is the poster-boy for the NWO's "Religion is the Root of All Evil" campaign. Anti-US sentiment and anti-religious sentiment is being deliberately fostered by the NWO. When we speak out against the actions of the US govt., against the killing in the name of God, and against warmongering evangelists and Islam extremists, we think we are being wise, liberal, "against the system", whatever...yet in reality we are parroting exactly what the NWO wants us to say and think. It's doublethink in classic Orwellian terms. We are made to think Bush = bad. Bush kills in the name of religion, therefore religion = bad. Religious extremists kill in the name of God, so God = bad. Do you really think that all this anti-Bush sentiment is NOT by design? Don't you think its planned that Bush says God speaks to him.

When anti-US, anti-Christian/Muslim sentiment is at its peak, then will the time be ripe to introduce a new, wonderful religion combining all religions into one and all nations into one under this religion and benevolent world government. We will be told that all of the messiahs and gods of all religions are actually one and the same being, and that this supreme being wants us to evolve and find the God within ourselves.

We are also being trained to think that having nations with powerful military and powerful economies is a bad thing. The actions of the US govt. will only become more and more tyrannical, until the rest of the world, and many US citizens, are fed up with it and will be begging for a peaceful, one-world government with no single nation having the ability to again carry out the atrocities and wars that have been committed by single, individual nations.

When the NWO comes, people will welcome it with open arms. When their new religion comes, they will do the same.

NWO is here, it's real, Satan is a smokescreen,

Satan isn't a smokescreen, he's behind the smokescreen and we've been sucked in to the big ruse hook, lie and sinker.

No man or woman should be afraid, within us, we have the power to overcome anything, we are Amazing Beings.

Yes, we are amazing beings that after all these thousands of years have managed to raise ourselves to a level of intelligence superior to all creatures on the planet, and simultaneously reached a level of enlightenment approximately equal to a shrimp. Good for us!

But maybe if we just keep striving, perhaps through evolution we'll reach that elusive spiritual enlightenment just by looking into our hearts, but first we'll have to bomb to oblivion anyone who doesn't agree with us. But wait, if Darwin was right with his survival of the strongest, our next stage of evolution will be that of pure warmongers, since they are effectively killing off all the weak and innocent in the world and will be able to breed with each other to produce unadulterated, warmonger babies. They found a "gay gene", maybe there's a "warmonger gene" as well.

Maybe "lucifer" is a prophecy for the ''illuminati'' NWO.

Satan, if it exists, is "the dark side of consciousness", String Theory proves that everything is the same, it's the formation of consciousness that changes from individual to individual based on Reality and Experience.

to believe that "one being" can bring misery to all, is like saying "the president of the USA is the most powerful man in the world" - neither is completely true.

those who say "if we don't believe in God then GWB gets a NWO" are in reality, playing into GWB's hands, after all, when he stands up in public he uses "faith and God" to make his followers bark and clap like seals.

The power of "God" is the inner power of Humanity, to believe that we are somehow subject to the misery of 21st Century because "God" isn't back yet, is like saying - "Please trick me with Light and Holograms" to the NWO.

People only believe what they see, generally speaking, on ATS many of us only believe what we see when it fits our own particular view of the paradigm.

Essentially, I am saying we need to realise the bible and its proponents (look how many "faith based initiatives from the bible" are prevalent in the USA Policies), are using words that have little meaning to 21st Century reality when viewed literally. Literally interpretating the bible is the problem in our world, and ALL faiths are at it.

As said earlier the King James Bible is a composite bastard child, it is known that in the 16th Century Queens demanded re-writes of the bible to fit what THEY believed was true.

The Bible should be ignored as a factual piece of work.

[edit on 12/6/2004 by Chaosica]

I am glad to see this kind of thinking.

If you are after understanding, then look to the currency system of the world. That is how the NWO will establish itself over the whole world.

Those behind it aim to create a global currency system, based upon nothing but their own power. Once this is done, the Liberty of nations is finished, because the means of buying and selling will no longer be something the people can hold or understand. It will come from the system, and there will be nothing outside of the system.

That is what you need to see.

Going after the Masons and tring to see a parallel to them and the NWO isn't going to work. The Masons, Especially the Scottish Rite, are the knights of Liberty, and oppose all forms of Tyranny. They are not the devils you seek.

Masonic tradition is not Satanic. It is the tradition of the Demiurge. The Cosmic Architect. I am not from that school, but I retain many of these lessons, and know them. They are not an evil organization, and those at the top who are globalists, have departed from the true Craft, and have fallen. You cannot be a Mason, and work for the forces of tyranny and ignorance at the same time. Those are two different masters.

So quit looking for aliens, or old fraternities, the truth is right before you. The key is money, and whoever controls the money will control the world. If you can get all money within a system that you create, you can rule the world by that system. That is the core of the NWO. It is a financial abomination.

You can also control the population with money, which is the secondary aspect of the NWO. If you own the means of transaction, and control the system of exchange, you can rule the people by this. Any person who loves freedom will understand the threat such a system poses to his liberty, and will oppose it as much as he can.

Arkaleus

The Satan (occuser) was an officer of the Sanhedrin, his parrallel in the Modern Catholic Church is the Devils Advocate. The role of the position is to ensure that no one who is morally unfil can fill seniior positions within the church.

Satan has hecome synonomous with Lucifer, who is the fallen angel, though the two represent quite different entities.

The Devil comes from the greek 'Diablos' meaning the aggressor.

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Great post - thanks. ...I have a unifying theory too, but it stops at the human part of your pyramid. ...Your theory reminds me of Lessings 'Canopus in Argos' series, which I really like - and it works.



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