Spanish Priest with Ebola Has Died

a reply to: butcherguy

That would likely be because the Ebola virus remains capable of infecting OUTSIDE THE HOST for a downright disturbing period of time. It doesn't die within minutes on a surface....like many bugs. It doesn't even die within 24hrs like some other scary bugs we all work very hard to avoid contact with in life.

There are some outstanding sources of information about this bug and this strain of it. Just...don't look to media written since this began. Look before...and places like USAMRIID, Older CDC public material (not written with public reaction to this outbreak in mind) and more. Look to what was written with authority before anyone thought there might be a need to 'alter' the appearance to blunt public fears.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: butcherguy

That would likely be because the Ebola virus remains capable of infecting OUTSIDE THE HOST for a downright disturbing period of time. It doesn't die within minutes on a surface....like many bugs. It doesn't even die within 24hrs like some other scary bugs we all work very hard to avoid contact with in life.

There are some outstanding sources of information about this bug and this strain of it. Just...don't look to media written since this began. Look before...and places like USAMRIID, Older CDC public material (not written with public reaction to this outbreak in mind) and more. Look to what was written with authority before anyone thought there might be a need to 'alter' the appearance to blunt public fears.

That is how I think those 2 Americans got it.

If they get any infected fluids on there gowns or gloves the virus will still be on it when it comes time to take them off. Thats were decontamination comes in. And the facility out there are just not suited for that. so yeah they are protected when around the patients but when they take there PPE, due to poor decontamination they then get infected.

Thank you to crazyewok and wrabbit2k for your thoughtful replies helping to clear things up a bit for me!

originally posted by: butcherguy
Thank you to crazyewok and wrabbit2k for your thoughtful replies helping to clear things up a bit for me!

It does make you stop and think how terrible it must be out there for the medical staff and health workers

originally posted by: butcherguy
Four staff dead in that hospital so far.
Why are medical professionals contracting this virus as often as they have?
I keep hearing about how difficult it is to contract this virus, yet these people that are educated about the means of transmission are getting it.

1 was thinking micro droplets containing the virus remaining in the air from deep coughs pushing the virus up from deep within lungs. Maybe the medical assistors require finer respirator filters that can further filter the air that may be carrying this sickness.

God Bless another EA*RTH Angel lost trying to help others in need, may he rest in peace...

To gve you an idea of the condituons they are working in, here is the isolation ward:



And specifically:



source

Wrabbit is correct abiut published research prior to this outbreak, look at my posts on the topic for a good sampling of what type of thing to which he's referring.

It appears the spanish priest did receive the cocktail and did not respond to it.

The Spanish priest with Ebola who was recently repatriated from Liberia has died, despite being treated with an experimental drug designed to combat the deadly disease.

Miguel Pajares, a 75-year-old Spanish priest, has died after failing to respond to treatment with the experimental drug ZMapp at Madrid's Carlos III hospital.

www.thelocal.es...

a reply to: Rosinitiate
Maybe he was too far gone before they gave it to him.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Rosinitiate
Maybe he was too far gone before they gave it to him.

Yeah there will be a point were the organ damage will be too much that just getting rid of the virus wont be enough. If your liver and Kidneys are mush and your circulatory systems collapsed the serum wont sort that out.

Just saw this posted and I do believe I saw similar comments on ATS regarding the Zaire strain....


CDC, Australian DoD & Nigerian Federal Ministry of Health State That Ebola is an Aerosol Virus & Human-to-Human Transmittable via Inhalation

It seems to be a common assumption that Ebola isn’t Aerosol and cant be transmitted via inhalation (a lot of news stories I read seem to make this assumption when talking about a story surrounding an infected person). While this is true for SOME strains of Ebola (4 out of 5), there is a strain that is Aerosol and transmittable via inhalation; the Zaire strain, which this current virus is a genetic variant of. Because of this I find that a lot of the precautions being taken, especially at airports, and in planes involving visibly sick people, really aren’t going to stand a chance for containing this virus (they seem to just let other passengers go assuming they are not also infected due to not actually touching the suspected person…). Truth is an airplane is extremely close to a “hospital environment”, which is the perfect condition for Ebola-Zaire to transmit via aerosol. For those that say that Ebola isn’t aerosol or transmittable via inhalation, please check out the follow .gov sources that blatantly say otherwise.
Read more at investmentwatchblog.com... e-via-inhalation/#BHA88PmZvjkuYhIL.99

So, there have been conflicting stories as to if he had the drug. Why is that?

www.ibtimes.com...


Here's another concern: How is his body being handled? Was he cremated? Or a conventional burial? Whoever is in charge of his remains must be extremely careful (that goes w/o saying) or many more will be infected.

Whatever happened to Patrick Sawyer's body? Was he cremated too? What's happening to the bodies of all those left in the streets?

What if someone dies in the U.S.? Will they take special precautions?

I've got a bad feeling about how this will turn out.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: butcherguy
Four staff dead in that hospital so far.
Why are medical professionals contracting this virus as often as they have?
I keep hearing about how difficult it is to contract this virus, yet these people that are educated about the means of transmission are getting it.

Its because they are spending 20 odd hours a day elbow deep in infected fluids understaffed with poor equipment.

There are no shiny hospitals with modern equipment and relief staff.

Ah, so they are committing suicide by working without basic PPE.
Okay.

I had read thst these suits are 120f inside, and they're all exhausted and perhaps not being as careful as one should. It was in the transcript I think I read it.
maybe they get too hot and say screw this suit and off it comes?

a reply to: crazyewok
I think it might be poor decontamination as well, but, the woman Nancy ( can't spell her last name on memory) was working in Decon. Surely she must take extra precautions? Obviously she wasn't. That's just sloppy, if that was her expertise, to be making sure they unsuited correctly. She didn't watch out forherself or the others she was supposed to be watching out for.

a reply to: dianajune

I haven't heard how others were taken care of after death.
They need to be incinerated or buried very deep in the ground.

ETA

Pajares' body will be cremated Wednesday to avoid any further public health risks Read more: hosted2.ap.org...

In regards to conflicting stories of the Priest receiving the drug zmapp, I would speculate it comes down to profits. A miracle drug stands to generate astronomical profits, so you don't want word to get out it might not be working. It scares investors away

Once it appears that any drug is working miracles, I suspect we will witness more conflicting stories.

A doctor who was part of the team treating the priest confirmed that he received the experimental drug. The doctor, an infectious diseases specialist, spoke on condition of anonymity, not being authorized to discuss the treatment Read more: hosted2.ap.org...

originally posted by: violet
a reply to: dianajune

I haven't heard how others were taken care of after death.
They need to be incinerated or buried very deep in the ground.

ETA

Pajares' body will be cremated Wednesday to avoid any further public health risks Read more: hosted2.ap.org...

In regards to conflicting stories of the Priest receiving the drug zmapp, I would speculate it comes down to profits. A miracle drug stands to generate astronomical profits, so you don't want word to get out it might not be working. It scares investors away

Once it appears that any drug is working miracles, I suspect we will witness more conflicting stories.

You would think so however, WHO announced no ethical violations to using experimental drugs, coupled with FDA acknowledgement and governments raising their collective hands yet, TKMR shed all of yesterdays gains (down 20%) and PPHM is down just under 1%. Mostly due to it only being in trial phase and the time it would take to ramp up.

So it seems at least for today all stocks directly tied to Ebola vaccines appear to be down.

originally posted by: violet
a reply to: crazyewok
I think it might be poor decontamination as well, but, the woman Nancy ( can't spell her last name on memory) was working in Decon. Surely she must take extra precautions? Obviously she wasn't. That's just sloppy, if that was her expertise, to be making sure they unsuited correctly. She didn't watch out forherself or the others she was supposed to be watching out for.

It might not have been sloppy work. It may have been equipment trouble.

Water or electric supply may have been down or they had run out of fresh PPE and were reusing.

a reply to: crazyewok

Indeed they are working in terrible situations in such a poor country. Hopefully they are getting better PPE now.

a reply to: violet

This supposed new Vaccine ZMapp probably works in conjunction with other treatment that cannot be provided in the medical facilities in these poor nations. Simple fact is the poor souls don't understand basic hygiene never mind being able to implement proper quarantine procedures or supply adequate medical care to the infected. There is also the fact to consider this new vaccine is hardly out of the testing phase and is in no way 100% effective.