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originally posted by: Starbucks
"it has been shown that HNS did not contribute mtDNA to HSS which indicates that it was HNS males mating with HSS females"
very good of you you said that.
then the maternal dna of the neanderthal is the maternal dna of current humans!
then it is 100 % that of current humans not 3%.
even if we agreed they found nuclear dna in neanderthal bones which is hardly believable, the nuclear dna is just a drop in basin compared to amount and availability of maternal dna, so they found 1% of the dna is nuclear dna and the rest is maternal dna, so which of the 3% of neanderthal dna is found in humans currently living?
I give you change to chose any lie you want.
all humans have neanderthal dna 1 to 4% of their dna including all africans minus the Khoisan (barely half a million out a billion africans).
so how did the Neanderthal have sex with all homosapien women even those in africa which neanderthal did not visit?
the african homosapiens who left africa are called the out of africa humans, they can not include the africans of african maternal and paternal ancestry who never left africa other wise they would have left their signature outside africa.
the dna does not lie it is much precise than thumbprints. If DNA decided that you and another person is father and a son then it is so.
the maternal dna of african never left africa, the ones who left are known as the out of africa like L3, M, N < R etc, while L1, L2, L3 never left africa.
also male ancestry haplogroup A and B and most E never left africa.
also humans of out of africa have dna similarity to africa humans 87% while they only differ by 12% (so all humans out of africa combined (6 billions ) only differ by 12% which translates that all of them were together in africa untill recent time (between 10k and 40k)
even though homosapiens branched from that one man (50 to 200k years ago) still they only left recently (by DNA evidence which beats any other bone reading and looking at).
so the conclusion the 3% of neanderthal dna found in current humans is because the neanderthal were homosapiens, descendent of the same Most Recent common ancestor of current humans (aka the homosapiens). in a nutshel, the neanderthal were homosapiens and also came from the same man, and not from any other man, because of the existance of neanderthal dna in all current humans (which is actually current human dna found in neanderthals who were fully homosapiens and descendents of the same MRCA.
the fossil looking at and imagining things and bla bla dating according to bla bla is wrong because it differ with dna evidence so they all thrown in the garbage bin.
originally posted by: Sheppie
It's all incredibly interesting and fascinating! But don't you agree that it also shows us how much we don't know? It's like everytime we discover one piece, two different ones appear.
Human history, wait, history of the world has already had so many theories and so many *sure things* yet we still argue, uncover mysteries and try to understand.
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Starbucks
It's nothing but you're opinion unless you can support it with science and citations. I do t understand why that's such a hard concept to grasp yet you use condescending ding remarks and call ME slow? Whatever you say from the back of the short bus there pal. There is well sourced and peer reviewed science in addition to over 2 decades of research behind everything I'm saying while you cling to ad hominem attacks based on Bronze Age supernatural books. Cite sources of recent data to support your statements. You can't and haven't. It's like trying to tell a kindergartener there is no Santa because his mom told him it's true and that's the entire basis of your argument. The lack of diversity in HSS is a direct result of a well documented bottleneck event that occurs ought after the Toba event. Keep walking that dog in a circle and all you're going to accomplish is wearing down the grass. You're still going in a circle though.
originally posted by: Starbucks
the first study which was the most correct was 60 k years ago, then another study (pure DNA study without adjustments from evolutionists) to 30k years . the first study found that all men descend from one man 60k years ago and all women descend from one woman who lived 100 k years ago, but then they thought the Mutation rate in Maternal DNA is slower than Y chromosome Mutation rate, but recently theyu found the reverse and so first man was 80k years ago while first woman was 60k years ago,