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originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: charles1952
Sorry, this thead is almost hoax worthy.
They blew up four kids on an empty stretch of beach. They id'd their targets, hit them and then hit them on the reatrea. 4 kids playing soccer on a stretch of beach. If they DIDN'T target them (year right) then that tells us they are firing at anyone indiscriminately, if that's the case then we know they don't care to kill innocent civilians.
So best case they are killing indiscriminately and worst case they are intentionally killing kids and civilians.
Israel's propaganda aside, we know they are. Hell, an Israeli IDF whistle blower admitted they fired on retreating civilians.
So let's hoax this b.s. thread.
430+ dead Palestinians civilians.. 7 or more UN refugee schools and hospitals bombed. Don't try to lie to us OP. Those weren't all accidents.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: charles1952
Awesome post, they can't lie their way around the numbers.
originally posted by: rickymouse
How many percent of the dead were soldiers and how many were regular citizens. That would be my interest, how many percent were people not fighting this war.
originally posted by: samsamm9
When you murder kids playing soccer on a beach, it seems to me they are targeting children.
Yes, it also says Israel's number for civilians dead is somewhere in the low 50% range. The question of the UN's objectivity in this matter may be discussed in another thread.
So, as I said, it doesn't show Israel is targeting civilians. But I'm glad to see that you seem, at least so far, to agree with me that Israel is not targeting women and children, just "innocents." It's a step, I guess.
No way around sending your troops in to be killed? Of course there are. Demand surrender or there will be massive bombing strikes, artillery barrages, oh, there are choices.
I understand Muhammad used a siege, starving everyone in the city.
In 1977, Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects, even if the area contained military objectives, and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible.
However, forces occupying near densely populated areas must avoid locating military objectives near or in densely populated areas and endeavor to remove civilians from the vicinity of military objectives.
originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: charles1952
Charles,
Really?
If it makes you feel better, go for it.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
This needs to be HOAXED. This has not been resolved.
The premise of the thread is not verified.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
This needs to be HOAXED. This has not been resolved.
The premise of the thread is not verified.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: TinfoilTP
They want to occupy it again because A the gas, and B they want all the land.
That's why they are committing genocide. Hell they are taking the land in the West Bank and refuse to let Palestinians farm it though it is internationally recognized as Palestinian land.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
This needs to be HOAXED. This has not been resolved.
The premise of the thread is not verified.
Can you provide a list of deaths that show a large number of women and children make up the percentage of those killed? Can you discount the large percentage of the population in that area are women and children over men of fighting age? Can you discount that the general population supports Hamas and so are basically embedded with the fighters?
I think if you want to call it all a hoax, then YOU need to disprove it, and not just say it is a hoax as your proof.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: charles1952
Awesome post, they can't lie their way around the numbers.
Don't need to lie. The numbers don't actually prove anything.
The actual numbers and attacks on refugee camps that the UN warned them not to bomb speak louder.
If you want to know what the read numbers indicate.. they show three things. Israel does target civilians ( some politicans have said so in political speech) and the civilian deaths show it. The numbers show Hamas focuses on IDF and not civilians. Also the numbers show that the Iron Dome is useless.
originally posted by: buster2010
Women and children are included with the civilians so if they are targeting civilians and with the rate of 72% civilian then they are also targeting women and children. So how many women and children have to die before you are willing to admit that Israel is targeting them?
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
This needs to be HOAXED. This has not been resolved.
The premise of the thread is not verified.
Can you provide a list of deaths that show a large number of women and children make up the percentage of those killed? Can you discount the large percentage of the population in that area are women and children over men of fighting age? Can you discount that the general population supports Hamas and so are basically embedded with the fighters?
I think if you want to call it all a hoax, then YOU need to disprove it, and not just say it is a hoax as your proof.
Actually I can. First off Israel itself agreed to the numbers. Of around 2000 killed 430+ were in fact children, then around 900 cvilians (many many women), the rest were alleged militants. Considering the land is like 147 square miles with 1.6 million people, it's not hard to realize that women and children are in the line of fire, but that doesn't make the deaths of any male civilians (of any age) less of a tragedy as you seem to imply.
And YES I can 100 percent discount that the general population supports Hamas, as it is well known that they do not. Hamas has lost support and other (and the former) political group in Gaza enjoys higher support than Hamas. You will hear stories even of Palestinians attacking Hamas member.
So yes, you are wrong. This is a hoax worthy thread.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
Actually I can. First off Israel itself agreed to the numbers. Of around 2000 killed 430+ were in fact children, then around 900 cvilians (many many women), the rest were alleged militants. Considering the land is like 147 square miles with 1.6 million people, it's not hard to realize that women and children are in the line of fire, but that doesn't make the deaths of any male civilians (of any age) less of a tragedy as you seem to imply.
And YES I can 100 percent discount that the general population supports Hamas, as it is well known that they do not. Hamas has lost support and other (and the former) political group in Gaza enjoys higher support than Hamas. You will hear stories even of Palestinians attacking Hamas member.
originally posted by: Iscool
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: TinfoilTP
They want to occupy it again because A the gas, and B they want all the land.
That's why they are committing genocide. Hell they are taking the land in the West Bank and refuse to let Palestinians farm it though it is internationally recognized as Palestinian land.
why would you expect any one to take you seriously...Less than 2000 dead out of 1.8 million and you call it genocide???
Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:
1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and
2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."
Article III described five punishable forms of the crime of genocide: genocide; conspiracy, incitement, attempt and complicity. Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
Well.. you see.. if you knew what Genocide actually is and what the word actually means then you would take me VERY seriously.
I will teach you something so you can understand. I won't hold it against you if you delete your comment when i display your ignorance here.