originally posted by: PansophicalSynthesis
Given the context of the circumstance I was in reference to. I'm not into playing semantics and taking things out of context.
if you want to have an adult conversation, i would suggest you drop the attitude, there's no need for it.
it's not a matter of semantics, it's a matter of a statement either being factually correct, or not. context is important, i'm with you on that.
but in that statement, you left out an important operative part.
I never said anybody asked me to
ok, good to know we both agree..
I was just stating my position within the discussion...
so was i.
Well, if he smells alcohol, the potential legal implications are beyond a field sobriety test. You don't have to be drunk.
how so? if an officer claims to smell alcohol, then the first step should be a field sobriety test...if you have any in your system, THEN they search
the car...that's how it ought to work.....
if that's how it worked, you'd probably find that officers would be less likely to pull the "i smelled alcohol" routine, as an excuse to toss
someone's car in a fishing expedition..
It's illegal to have open alcohol containers in your vehicle.
yes, i know it's illegal to have open alcohol containers in your car. and, for the most part, i agree with that....
Smell something or see something. It's not a violation of rights
it is, when they're lying, so they can search someone's car, in the hopes they'll find something to make it worth their while..
yes, sometimes it's legit....like if they see drugs out in the open, by all means, bust 'em..or if they see open bottles out in the open, by all
means, bust 'em....
this happened to a friend of mine once....he was on his way home from work, and he had a backpack in his back seat....he got pulled over for a busted
tail light. officer asked him about his bag, he told him it was just books. officer didn't believe him, told him he smelled weed, and asked him to
step out of the car. he tells him he's gonna search the car, my friend protests, the cop tells him that he can either shut up, and let him search the
car, or he can get locked up. so facing that, he lets the cop do his thing...the cop searches the bag, then when he didn't find anything, he tossed
the car. still didn't find anything, so he writes my friend a ticket for the tail lamp, and another one for not wearing a seatbelt (which was B.S.),
and another one for speeding (which he wasn't doing)...since it would be his word against the cop, he ended up just paying it, because it would have
cost MORE to fight it.
but I understand, you're probably just outright anti-cop and anti-authority.
don't presume to know me. i actually wanted to be a cop, at one point. for reasons i'm not going to get into with you, that didn't work out...
i have no issue with authority, and no issue with cops, in general....i dislike abuse of authority, and crooked, or crappy cops.....in case you don't
read the boards, there are lot of both....
It's a cop's job to enforce the law
yes, that's supposed to be their job...there was a time when they were called peace officers, and their job was to keep the peace, and to protect and
serve....not anymore though....over the last few decades, they've gone from being protectors of the people, to a municipal revenue
collector...nothing more than armed thugs, shaking down the public...
now, don't get me wrong, they do still do some good....arresting scumbags, and acting as a deterrent to crime, in some cases, and there are
communities, where the police are still really good people, and don't do screwed up things...but those are the exception, not the rule.
not to cover his eyes, put ear plugs in his ears, cotton balls up his nose, all but entirely rendering his senses inert just so that you can be
nobody said they should do that...what was being said is that they shouldn't be using excuses to toss people's cars....you can make up a story about
a smell....a bag of weed, or an open bottle of vodka? you can't make that up..
If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't worry.
and that idiocy has been used to justify more violation of rights, and more evils, that i can even list..
innocent until proven guilty.
I can't agree with your choice of words. You use "majority", where it's more logically appropriate to place "some".
when you've seen and experienced the crap i have, then you can critique my choice of words..
Your use of wordage reveals a purely anti-cop bias.
no, it really doesn't....i'm sorry if the truth burns your eyes.
i've had more than enough run-ins with crappy cops, to be able to speak with a modicum of authority on the topic...
as i said, there are some cops that are still good people, but nearly all the ones i've ever had the displeasure of interacting with, represented
varying degrees of "bad"
I can't have an honest discussion with you while you possess that mentality.
i guess it's a good thing i don't possess that mentality, isn't it?
so we can proceed...alternatively, you are free to disengage at any time.
However, to address some of the content. It's my opinion that seat-belt laws should be done away with for adults. It's absurd to tell me that
I can commit a crime against myself. I do not believe in crimes against the self, only against others.
i can understand why they think they're a good idea, and i agree to a point...i mean, high speed impact, unsecured passengers in the back seat...who
the hell wants all those bodies flying around the passenger compartment? it gets messy, and increases the chances of someone getting hurt or dead....i
get why seat belts exist, and i get why wearing them is the law....but then i remember that they didn't always exist, and we didn't lose generations
of people, because they didn't have them...so maybe we don't NEED them, but they're a good idea -shrug-
it's one of the rare situations where i'm torn between the belief that it's a pretty good law, vs my belief that it should be a personal
You were not diligent and strong enough in pushing for legal recourse. Had you documented what was going on, reported it and took appropriate
action, you'd of been fully protected. Yes, what they were doing may have been wrong, but the fault is on you if you didn't follow and take
procedures to protect yourself. The law is set up for you, it's up to you to actualize it. That's in the past now.
again, don't presume to know me, or my situation.
there was nothing i could do, because they did it in such a way where there was nothing TO document. you weren't there, you have no idea what
occurred. don't sit there and call me a liar.