Putin Defies Western Warning, Will Send "Aid Convoy" To East Ukraine

a reply to: Bassago

Whatever happens one thing is for sure, ALL the propaganda machines will continue working overtime.

strange how the western media so loud about the plight of the kurds , yet so quiet about civilian devastation in ukraine..

yet instead of posting the suffering of people in east ukraine , the media keep accusing this relief convoy as provocation..

and the endless military and weapon shipment to the kurds is legal then ?

as long as US and it's allies doing it , it is legal then ?

a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

They are shelling their own citizens on a daily bases, and that`s so much better...?

I guess you don`t have seen what is really going on in Eastern Ukraine, but how could you, the MSM is dead silent on it.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

They are shelling their own citizens on a daily bases, and that`s so much better...?

I guess you don`t have seen what is really going on in Eastern Ukraine, but how could you, the MSM is dead silent on it.

Really odd that now that Ukraine moved back into slovyansk powers back on people are going back to work and the mess is cleaned up. In fact almost back to normal there but oddly in the areas controlled by the rebels everything seems to be falling apart wonder why that is? Think it might be there not concerned with the civilians and have even been caught shelling them to attempt to blame it on Ukrainians. The only way they can maintain power is through fear doesnt matter if its of them or the Ukrainian military. You know what was odd alot of people in Slovyansk thought the military was going to come in and kill them all instead they brought food and water and restored power. This caused many in slovyansk to realize they were lied to by Russian media. Thus alot of the interviews in slovyansk has changed and now they see the Russian rebels as a threat.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

They are shelling their own citizens on a daily bases, and that`s so much better...?

I guess you don`t have seen what is really going on in Eastern Ukraine, but how could you, the MSM is dead silent on it.

Really odd that now that Ukraine moved back into slovyansk powers back on people are going back to work and the mess is cleaned up. In fact almost back to normal there but oddly in the areas controlled by the rebels everything seems to be falling apart wonder why that is? Think it might be there not concerned with the civilians and have even been caught shelling them to attempt to blame it on Ukrainians. The only way they can maintain power is through fear doesnt matter if its of them or the Ukrainian atrocities. You know what was odd alot of people in Slovyansk thought the military was going to come in and kill them all instead they brought food and water and restored power. This caused many in slovyansk to realize they were lied to by Russian media. Thus alot of the interviews in slovyansk has changed and now they see the Russian rebels as a threat.

And that proves somehow that there are no atrocities taking place right now...?

I fail to see your logic...

...but keep praising the Ukrainian military/Kiev for what they are doing, maybe you need to feel the need also to praise ISIS, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, or so...?

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

They are shelling their own citizens on a daily bases, and that`s so much better...?

I guess you don`t have seen what is really going on in Eastern Ukraine, but how could you, the MSM is dead silent on it.

Really odd that now that Ukraine moved back into slovyansk powers back on people are going back to work and the mess is cleaned up. In fact almost back to normal there but oddly in the areas controlled by the rebels everything seems to be falling apart wonder why that is? Think it might be there not concerned with the civilians and have even been caught shelling them to attempt to blame it on Ukrainians. The only way they can maintain power is through fear doesnt matter if its of them or the Ukrainian atrocities. You know what was odd alot of people in Slovyansk thought the military was going to come in and kill them all instead they brought food and water and restored power. This caused many in slovyansk to realize they were lied to by Russian media. Thus alot of the interviews in slovyansk has changed and now they see the Russian rebels as a threat.

And that proves somehow that there are no atrocities taking place right now...?

I fail to see your logic...

...but keep praising the Ukrainian military/Kiev for what they are doing, maybe you need to feel the need also to praise ISIS, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, or so...?

Has nothing to do with that but the sepratists were the one killing people in there misguided attempts to maintain control. After all mass graves were found and still several people missing after the separatists left. You might want to ask your self if your supporting the right side in this. The separatists were killing people in mock trials and some just flat out disappeared. They stole from the people in the area especially cars and money they beat up on people who didnt agree with them if not arrest them and lock them up. Again you sure your supporting the right side sounds like the sepratists were more like Isis or Hitler.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

They are shelling their own citizens on a daily bases, and that`s so much better...?

I guess you don`t have seen what is really going on in Eastern Ukraine, but how could you, the MSM is dead silent on it.

Really odd that now that Ukraine moved back into slovyansk powers back on people are going back to work and the mess is cleaned up. In fact almost back to normal there but oddly in the areas controlled by the rebels everything seems to be falling apart wonder why that is? Think it might be there not concerned with the civilians and have even been caught shelling them to attempt to blame it on Ukrainians. The only way they can maintain power is through fear doesnt matter if its of them or the Ukrainian atrocities. You know what was odd alot of people in Slovyansk thought the military was going to come in and kill them all instead they brought food and water and restored power. This caused many in slovyansk to realize they were lied to by Russian media. Thus alot of the interviews in slovyansk has changed and now they see the Russian rebels as a threat.

And that proves somehow that there are no atrocities taking place right now...?

I fail to see your logic...

...but keep praising the Ukrainian military/Kiev for what they are doing, maybe you need to feel the need also to praise ISIS, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, or so...?

Has nothing to do with that but the sepratists were the one killing people in there misguided attempts to maintain control. After all mass graves were found and still several people missing after the separatists left. You might want to ask your self if your supporting the right side in this. The separatists were killing people in mock trials and some just flat out disappeared. They stole from the people in the area especially cars and money they beat up on people who didnt agree with them if not arrest them and lock them up. Again you sure your supporting the right side sounds like the sepratists were more like Isis or Hitler.

Yeah it was true the Separatists had bad seeds in their ranks who proved to be Ukrainian stooges later on, so you`re not telling me anything new.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

They are shelling their own citizens on a daily bases, and that`s so much better...?

I guess you don`t have seen what is really going on in Eastern Ukraine, but how could you, the MSM is dead silent on it.

Really odd that now that Ukraine moved back into slovyansk powers back on people are going back to work and the mess is cleaned up. In fact almost back to normal there but oddly in the areas controlled by the rebels everything seems to be falling apart wonder why that is? Think it might be there not concerned with the civilians and have even been caught shelling them to attempt to blame it on Ukrainians. The only way they can maintain power is through fear doesnt matter if its of them or the Ukrainian atrocities. You know what was odd alot of people in Slovyansk thought the military was going to come in and kill them all instead they brought food and water and restored power. This caused many in slovyansk to realize they were lied to by Russian media. Thus alot of the interviews in slovyansk has changed and now they see the Russian rebels as a threat.

And that proves somehow that there are no atrocities taking place right now...?

I fail to see your logic...

...but keep praising the Ukrainian military/Kiev for what they are doing, maybe you need to feel the need also to praise ISIS, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, or so...?

Has nothing to do with that but the sepratists were the one killing people in there misguided attempts to maintain control. After all mass graves were found and still several people missing after the separatists left. You might want to ask your self if your supporting the right side in this. The separatists were killing people in mock trials and some just flat out disappeared. They stole from the people in the area especially cars and money they beat up on people who didnt agree with them if not arrest them and lock them up. Again you sure your supporting the right side sounds like the sepratists were more like Isis or Hitler.

Yeah it was true the Separatists had bad seeds in their ranks who proved to be Ukrainian stooges later on, so you`re not telling me anything new.

By bad seeds do you mean the Russian citizens pretending to be local like the Chechens or maybe Igor Strelkov and his crew since hes the one that called for alot of executions ???

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Maybe because the Ukrainian goverment is nothing remotely like the wicked fanatic savages of ISIS. They want their citizens to live their lives in their own country. ISIS wants to exterminate any non-Arab non-Wahhabi, and they do.

They are shelling their own citizens on a daily bases, and that`s so much better...?

I guess you don`t have seen what is really going on in Eastern Ukraine, but how could you, the MSM is dead silent on it.

Really odd that now that Ukraine moved back into slovyansk powers back on people are going back to work and the mess is cleaned up. In fact almost back to normal there but oddly in the areas controlled by the rebels everything seems to be falling apart wonder why that is? Think it might be there not concerned with the civilians and have even been caught shelling them to attempt to blame it on Ukrainians. The only way they can maintain power is through fear doesnt matter if its of them or the Ukrainian atrocities. You know what was odd alot of people in Slovyansk thought the military was going to come in and kill them all instead they brought food and water and restored power. This caused many in slovyansk to realize they were lied to by Russian media. Thus alot of the interviews in slovyansk has changed and now they see the Russian rebels as a threat.

And that proves somehow that there are no atrocities taking place right now...?

I fail to see your logic...

...but keep praising the Ukrainian military/Kiev for what they are doing, maybe you need to feel the need also to praise ISIS, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, or so...?

Has nothing to do with that but the sepratists were the one killing people in there misguided attempts to maintain control. After all mass graves were found and still several people missing after the separatists left. You might want to ask your self if your supporting the right side in this. The separatists were killing people in mock trials and some just flat out disappeared. They stole from the people in the area especially cars and money they beat up on people who didnt agree with them if not arrest them and lock them up. Again you sure your supporting the right side sounds like the sepratists were more like Isis or Hitler.

Yeah it was true the Separatists had bad seeds in their ranks who proved to be Ukrainian stooges later on, so you`re not telling me anything new.

By bad seeds do you mean the Russian citizens pretending to be local like the Chechens or maybe Igor Strelkov and his crew since hes the one that called for alot of executions ???

Since when are Chechens Ukrainian ?, I clearly wrote "Ukrainian stooges."

And thanks for mentioning why those executions took place, to get rid of those bad seeds.

I put in another thread, but it should be posted here :

Russia says wants to send second aid convoy to east Ukraine

(Reuters) - Russia wants to send a second humanitarian aid convoy to eastern Ukraine in the near future, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Monday after Kiev and the West criticized Moscow for sending the first cargo without official permission.

"The humanitarian situation is not improving but deteriorating," Lavrov told a news conference. "We want to reach an agreement on all conditions for delivering a second convoy by the same route... in the coming days."

www.reuters.com...

It`s clear ICRC is ready to help out, let`s see if Kiev again is going to stall it and with what accusations NATO/Kiev comes up during delivery to take away the "Russian shine."

Russian Red Cross workers ready to accompany new convoy to Ukraine

MOSCOW, August 25. /ITAR-TASS/. The Russian Red Cross is ready to accompany a second convoy to Ukraine and has already set up five teams of volunteers and workers for that, the organization’s spokesperson Tatyana Klenitskaya said on Monday.

en.itar-tass.com...

So Germany this time expects Kiev to cooperate...?

BERLIN, August 25. /ITAR-TASS/. Germany expects the new humanitarian convoy Russia plans to send to Ukraine’s embattled southeast will be coordinated with the Kiev authorities and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), a top government official said on Monday.

“We assume that this convoy will be coordinated with the ICRC and the Ukrainian government,” deputy government spokesman Georg Streiter said.

en.itar-tass.com...

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So Germany this time expects Kiev to cooperate...?

Doubtful but they have to give some lip service to at least appear like they believe sending in humanitarian aid is a good idea. Supposedly the Red Cross is now distributing the contents of the first shipment.

Lavrov also said the food, water and other goods delivered to the hard-hit rebel city of Luhansk by the first convoy were being distributed on Monday with the participation of the International Committee of the Red Cross. There was no immediate confirmation by the Red Cross.
The Guardian..

I get the feeling that the Red Cross doesn't really want to be doing this at all. Their lack of comment at the most opportune moments is quite troubling. How hard would it be for the to make a statement saying "We're unloading the trucks, no weapons, etc here. Just the humanitarian aid Russia sent in."

Apparently they have to keep western sensibilities in mind as well.

a reply to: Bassago

I read today on dutch news site, ICRC are low on funds...so I don`t think they want to be rubbing the West the wrong way. They uselessly try to stay away from political games.

Difference this time ICRC brings it to the border, but again not over it...?

It still is anyone`s guess how the border clearance will play out, might be more of the same.

Militias planning to send second Russian humanitarian convoy to Donetsk — official

en.itar-tass.com...

Red Cross officials to accompany Russia’s new aid convoy to Ukraine

en.itar-tass.com...

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Difference this time ICRC brings it to the border, but again not over it...?

It still is anyone`s guess how the border clearance will play out, might be more of the same.

Militias planning to send second Russian humanitarian convoy to Donetsk — official

en.itar-tass.com...

Red Cross officials to accompany Russia’s new aid convoy to Ukraine

en.itar-tass.com...

Dont think thats going to happen now that Russian troops have been caught fighting in Ukraine. At that point its supplying your forces making the convoy a legitimate target for Ukraine. Meaning they will probably destroy a second convoy.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Difference this time ICRC brings it to the border, but again not over it...?

It still is anyone`s guess how the border clearance will play out, might be more of the same.

Militias planning to send second Russian humanitarian convoy to Donetsk — official

en.itar-tass.com...

Red Cross officials to accompany Russia’s new aid convoy to Ukraine

en.itar-tass.com...

Dont think thats going to happen now that Russian troops have been caught fighting in Ukraine. At that point its supplying your forces making the convoy a legitimate target for Ukraine. Meaning they will probably destroy a second convoy.

Don`t worry, Ukraine army has been defeated.