Putin Defies Western Warning, Will Send "Aid Convoy" To East Ukraine

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
I would not be surprised...

Also from reports, there are now 200 vehicles in Donetsk ready to defend. Russia could well be wanting to make Donetsk some kind of "Stalingrad."

I think Russia knows Crimea will be next in line if the "Separatists" lose Eastern Ukraine.

About the ICRC, I read they are already at the convoy South group according to some reporters over there, but not speaking to them.

Exactly what you told me was NOT happening and was Western propaganda because Putin would not do that. Now that it's proven true you no longer care, awesome goalpost change.

I feel for someone who is only capable of seeing thing black and white...

If someone doesn`t post anti-Russian news "He must be pro-Russian," right ?

So to clear things up for you, I`m not pro-Russian, I`m just interested in what really going on...

...and yeah, I`m anti US/EU politics.

No, what makes you pro-Russia is the fact that I post something anti-Russia and you scream propaganda, Putin is not and would not do that because it's wrong. Then Russia says they are doing it and you say oh ok cool it's no big deal.

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: buntalanlucu

but why US and it's allies can send aid , weapons and military personel into iraq to help the disaster there , and no one in the western world criticize them ? and yet when russia sending Aid convoy to disaster in ukraine they are branded as agressor ?

Because the US, EU, quite probably NATO and the IMF want control over Ukraine for it's natural resources and direct access to Russia. It's why the US State Department in conjunction with the CIA and western NGO's destabilized Ukraine in the first place leading to the overthrow of it's democratically elected leader. Then they put their choice of puppet's into the Ukraine government and now have them crush any resistance.

The IMF bluntly told Kiev to crush any opposition or no IMF loans. The west doesn't want east Ukraine to get any aid. That's the bottom line until completely beaten by the "new" Ukraine government/military.

Edit - The MSM is completely controlled in the west and often (like in this case) works in lock step with the government. At least that's what it seems like in the US. Expect little or no honesty from them.

Despite your beliefs not everything is about Russia. You should take the time to do some research and learn why the US gave money to Ukraine. Did you know Russia recieved even more money to pull them out of the financial mess created with the fall of the USSR so did every eastern bloc country. Where you aware that the US gave millions to clean up the mess Russia left Ukraine its called Chernobyl Russia just left it for Ukraine to clean up. The schools in Ukraine were a joke millions have been spent to bring them up to western standards because well honestly Soviet schools were a joke. The only thing the US did is spend alot of money trying to bring Russia and Ukraine in the 21st century.Shame Putins destroting that for both countries and driving them right back into the mess they had in the 90s. But as they say everything in history repeats itself so lets see if the Russians trap him in the Kremlin the next couple of years will be interesting.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
I would not be surprised...

Also from reports, there are now 200 vehicles in Donetsk ready to defend. Russia could well be wanting to make Donetsk some kind of "Stalingrad."

I think Russia knows Crimea will be next in line if the "Separatists" lose Eastern Ukraine.

About the ICRC, I read they are already at the convoy South group according to some reporters over there, but not speaking to them.

Exactly what you told me was NOT happening and was Western propaganda because Putin would not do that. Now that it's proven true you no longer care, awesome goalpost change.

I feel for someone who is only capable of seeing thing black and white...

If someone doesn`t post anti-Russian news "He must be pro-Russian," right ?

So to clear things up for you, I`m not pro-Russian, I`m just interested in what really going on...

...and yeah, I`m anti US/EU politics.

No, what makes you pro-Russia is the fact that I post something anti-Russia and you scream propaganda, Putin is not and would not do that because it's wrong. Then Russia says they are doing it and you say oh ok cool it's no big deal.

Believe what you want to believe, I really don`t care...and oh yeah, if you twist facts to make things suit your needs, it is propaganda.

a reply to: dragonridr

Despite your beliefs not everything is about Russia.

Huh? I used the word Russia once in that entire post and it was listed as only a NATO ploy possibility. Read my previous post. Ukraine was tossed into this conflict primarily due to George Soros and his International Renaissance Foundation.

Face it the west wants to plunder everything it can from Ukraine. Geez John Kerry's son already jumped in with both feet so quickly it's a little embarrassing. Until the east is crushed the west will do all it can to block humanitarian aid, no matter how many suffer.

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: dragonridr

Despite your beliefs not everything is about Russia.

Huh? I used the word Russia once in that entire post and it was listed as only a NATO ploy possibility. Read my previous post. Ukraine was tossed into this conflict primarily due to George Soros and his International Renaissance Foundation.

Face it the west wants to plunder everything it can from Ukraine. Geez John Kerry's son already jumped in with both feet so quickly it's a little embarrassing. Until the east is crushed the west will do all it can to block humanitarian aid, no matter how many suffer.

Ok now you want to jump to George Soros and him taking over Ukraine whats next aliens? The Eu has intrestin Ukraine no doubt but see when they are admitted into the EU its not for plundering they will be well compensated unlike what Russia did to them. Russia has continually used gas prices to keep Ukraine in check and under there heal. Even the discounts they thought they were getting on gass is funny since several countries negotiated much better deals without discounts. The ploy is simple make Ukraine think they were getting a deal but still keep gas prices high and make sure they stay dependent. Putin broke a very sweet deal for Russia instead of paying Ukraine for shipping there gas they convinced them they were getting discounts to compensate. Now they know other wise which is why they have the whole thing tied up in court.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: dragonridr

Despite your beliefs not everything is about Russia.

Huh? I used the word Russia once in that entire post and it was listed as only a NATO ploy possibility. Read my previous post. Ukraine was tossed into this conflict primarily due to George Soros and his International Renaissance Foundation.

Face it the west wants to plunder everything it can from Ukraine. Geez John Kerry's son already jumped in with both feet so quickly it's a little embarrassing. Until the east is crushed the west will do all it can to block humanitarian aid, no matter how many suffer.

its not for plundering they will be well compensated

oh yes, it is for plundering, it is for plundering.

you clearly don't have any idea what happened to numerous countries that follow same or similar route as Ukraine; who is the owner of the industry, banking and trade in such countries...

you are right when you say "they will be well compensated" and I agree with you: those puppet tycoons brought to positions of power will be supported and compensated at the expanse of Ukrainian people.

it is not like this scenario didn't already happened.

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: dragonridr

Despite your beliefs not everything is about Russia.

Huh? I used the word Russia once in that entire post and it was listed as only a NATO ploy possibility. Read my previous post. Ukraine was tossed into this conflict primarily due to George Soros and his International Renaissance Foundation.

Face it the west wants to plunder everything it can from Ukraine. Geez John Kerry's son already jumped in with both feet so quickly it's a little embarrassing. Until the east is crushed the west will do all it can to block humanitarian aid, no matter how many suffer.

its not for plundering they will be well compensated

oh yes, it is for plundering, it is for plundering.

you clearly don't have any idea what happened to numerous countries that follow same or similar route as Ukraine; who is the owner of the industry, banking and trade in such countries...

you are right when you say "they will be well compensated" and I agree with you: those puppet tycoons brought to positions of power will be supported and compensated at the expanse of Ukrainian people.

it is not like this scenario didn't already happened.

Yeah nice ferry tail since the Eu has already provided loan guarantees to Ukraine removed trade sanctions to Europe. and offering other economic aid as well.See the whole Russian scare tactic isnt working on Ukraine they know what its like to be manipulated because Russia has been doing it for decades.

Also sonce this is about the convoy thought id post this looks like the Russian military is involved in that humanitarian convoy. It makes sense now why they just didnt turn it over to the red cross looks like its supplies in case they were to invade. Since apparently they were caught again sending military equipment over the border. And how sad is it they keep forgetting to take off the military plates.

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

what I see is bunch of white trucks waiting to cross the border into Ukraine.

I also see unconfirmed claim and a random picture of unidentified APC on unidentified road heading into unidentified direction.

nothing new.

a reply to: dragonridr

And how sad is it they keep forgetting to take off the military plates.

But don't you know that's just western propaganda, and social media isn't a good source?

Oh, wait it is only when it is supporting Russian propaganda.

Aid convoys don't need military escorts, and if it were the Red Cross they wouldn't have that. Something smells a bit fishy here and it isn't the Red Tide.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: dragonridr

And how sad is it they keep forgetting to take off the military plates.

But don't you know that's just western propaganda, and social media isn't a good source?

Oh, wait it is only when it is supporting Russian propaganda.

Aid convoys don't need military escorts, and if it were the Red Cross they wouldn't have that. Something smells a bit fishy here and it isn't the Red Tide.

now you just have to show us military escorts of Russian aid convoy to prove your claim.

or you're just making things up as you go*

a reply to: demus

I also see unconfirmed claim and a random picture of unidentified APC on unidentified road heading into unidentified direction.

Who cares about eyewitnesses they aren't reliable are they?

Why do they have military helicopter escorts for a humanitarian aid?

a reply to: demus

or you're just making things up as you go*

Sure I am...

www.businessinsider.com...

Do you think reporters aren't going to be watching this convoy to see what happens?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

Who cares about eyewitnesses they aren't reliable are they?

No they're not ... in a conflict, you will always find lots of people "on your side" of things. And you will always find "equally many" on the "other side of things".

Let me take the gloves off ...

In kosovo, the Albanian minority was aided in taking an entire territory away from it's country.

In Ukraine, the Ukrainian government is aided in the total krackdown of the population that wants to break apart.

If you do not comprehend, the beligerent idiocy of your position ... and what it will bring as consequence in the world arena, you shouldn't be here, discussing this. If you intend to "save" the world, you need to be objective.

To put it "bluntly" ... your checkmated, morally. It's over ... whatever happens in Ukraine afterwards, can't be helped. It's too late for Russia to do anything now, it won't help anyone.

But, so is Putin "checkmated". The western world, threatened to freeze mafia money in mediterranian banks. And putin gave in ... which means, putin is controlled by the ogliarchs in Russia.

Putin will never survive that ... you are in fact, looking at a world altering event. Where the US/EU are no longer the good guys ... and position of "good" guys is open for grabs. It's not going to be Putin, because nobody is going to trust a Mafia boss.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: demus

or you're just making things up as you go*

Sure I am...

www.businessinsider.com...

Do you think reporters aren't going to be watching this convoy to see what happens?

reporters will and are closely watching this convoy:

Tan men told us we could open any truck we liked. This one had bags full of grechka (buckwheat)

Looked inside several trucks, found buckwheat, sleeping bags and a mechanics workshop.

Men in tan clothing are 'volunteers' of an unnamed org, but are allowing looks inside trucks of journalist choice.

Spent a couple of hours with the Russian convoy which has stopped, possibly for some time. Field camp being set up

Trucks parked up in an orderly line, helicopters overhead and almost no security from journos.

To clarify, we are heading north from Rostov to try to meet the convoy coming south. Military vehicles we've seen nothing to do with column.

a reply to: demus

If you truly think this is just humanitarian why doesnt Russia just turn it over to the red cross? See they would be more than happy to accept it and ship it with the aid Ukraine is offering. ? Odd they would even bother with trucks since any major airport could easily ship that stuff to Ukraine without the major convoy and they would already have it. See oddly the red cross regularly handles large shipments to them through airports they are good at it. So why do you think they refuse to give it to the red cross??

a reply to: dragonridr

you say maybe better Putin sent it with express mail?

I am sure there are very good reasons why they are sending the aid with trucks; even they had send it with "any major airport" the aid still have to be delivered to the occupied city and you're saying like "it's piece of cake".

Red Cross will inspect the aid convoy; Russians never refused to work together with Red Cross.

i understand both US/EU and Russia covertly influence Ukraine's goverment toward one side or the other.. So if US/EU paid so much $$ inciting demonstration in maidan and illegally depose the elected ukraine goverment, why no one ever complained about this ?

but when russia tried to do the same , every western media seem to pile on and make russia the bad guy and putin like hitler..

i mean why the rethoric ? every nation played this game ? why suddenly it is ok for US/EU to install puppet on another country yet it is not OK for russia to do the same ?

im confused

a reply to: demus


Of course they invited reporters to inspect the contents of the truck; every stage magician invites a member of the audience to inspect his equipment. He can do this with confidence because the audience member doesn't know what to look for. A convoy of 250 trucks is being driven by 250 troops. They are delivering reinforcements, not humanitarian aid. That's why they insist on delivering the cargo themselves: the drivers are the cargo. (The ammunition is welded to the undercarriage, one of the oldest tricks in the book.)

a reply to: buntalanlucu

i understand both US/EU and Russia covertly influence Ukraine's goverment toward one side or the other.. So if US/EU paid so much $$ inciting demonstration in maidan and illegally depose the elected ukraine goverment, why no one ever complained about this ?

Because no one was able to prove that the EU and US were inciting the riots or even the protests. The elected government remained in place, but the corrupt President fled (and is still missing). On the other hand, the "peoples republics" in Eastern Ukraine have had a series of self appointed governors who were very up front about their Russian citizenship.

Dozens of heavy Russian military vehicles massed on Friday near the border with Ukraine, while Ukrainian border guards crossed the frontier to inspect a huge Russian aid convoy.

Kiev has said the humanitarian aid might be used as cover for a Russian military intervention, and has insisted that its forces check the convoy before it moves across the border.

Moscow has denied any ulterior motives, but has allowed Ukrainian border guards to enter Russia and look at the caravan of trucks in an area opposite the frontier town of Izvaryne.

"Ukrainian border guards are there already in large numbers," border guard spokesman Andriy Demchenko said. The Ukrainian military said the inspection began on Friday morning, but it was not clear how long the process might take.

www.reuters.com...