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Putin Defies Western Warning, Will Send "Aid Convoy" To East Ukraine

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posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

According to today's Bloomberg article:

Laurent Corbaz, the International Committee of the Red Cross’s head of operations for Europe, will travel to Kiev and Moscow “soon,” with the Russian convoy on the agenda for discussions.

"Soon" being the operative word, ie when they get around to it. While I believe it's possible Russia is stalling it appears to me the RC is definitely stalling as well. I'm not buying that it's just Russia causing all of this.


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posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: Bassago

Convoy is stalling but Russian armor is not


Journalist have reported that 20+ Tanks and fuel trucks crossed into Ukraine in front of their eyes and disappeared in on the dirt track.

Today rebels also reported some minor victories and Russian tanks were seen as near as Donetsk. Finally Russia is coming to help.

Also found that reporters asked driver to have a look into the convoy trucks and they said "go and check any truck you want". Reporters looked into few of them and found civilian supplies. However, some trucks were atmost only half full of wheat bags etc. Wonder why? I would stuff them with ammo and body armor which come real handy on the battlefield.

Also, Kiev Junta reports that Convoy might be sitting around until Aug 17th or so, but no confirmations. Most probably to secure the routes to Donetsk first.



Donetsk is seeing a very heavy shelling and rocket attacks today. Wonder Terrorist Junta in Kiev is trying to conduct the 'final storm' of the city. All waste of efforts here. Junta should now "write off" half of Ukraine and throw more efforts towards protecting Kiev. Also surf the internet and start looking for the houses and offices in their new "soon to be" capital in Lviv.

Sorry Junta but one of the rules of the global geopolitical game is "DO NOT MESS WITH US or RUSSIA, UNLESS THEY ARE MESSING WITH EACH OTHER DIRECTLY". Rest is for own balanced mind comprehension or stupid arrogance.
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posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Maybe Putin's going to bring in the humanitarian aid after he destroys the Ukrainian army and militias.

A column of Russian armored personnel carriers (APCs) has reportedly crossed Russia's border with Ukraine. The APCs had earlier been seen traveling alongside a supposed Russian humanitarian convoy headed towards Ukraine's conflict-torn east.

Evidence of Russian troop movement over the border supports the Ukrainian claim that Russian soldiers have been actively supporting pro-Moscow separatist militants in the region.

The Guardian's Moscow correspondent, Shaun Walker, and The Telegraph's Roland Oliphant witnessed the APC convoy cross over the border alongside other military vehicles bearing official Russian military license plates.
Russian Military Vehicles Have Just Crossed Into Ukraine

Looks like we may need a new thread.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: Bassago

btw look :
US Sending 600 Troops, APCs And Tanks To Countries Bordering Russia To "Reassure Threatened Allies"
www.zerohedge.com...



a far more dangerous development took place overnight with nobody noticing, when the Pentagon announced that approximately 600 soldiers from the Army’s 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division will deploy to Poland and the Baltic states to help reassure European allies who feel threatened by Russian military moves.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: Bassago




Maybe Putin's going to bring in the humanitarian aid after he destroys the Ukrainian army and militias.


But Luhansk has been without electricity and water for 11 days now. Humanitarian aid is urgently needed and also evacuation of sick and injured.

Why did Putin wait so long? Was he waiting for civilian number to cross 1000 or so? For items like electricity and water, he should have sent in repair utilities and specialists right away under the Red Cross supervision.

US parking troops and tanks on NATO countries is fine. They are fearing that Putin will attack those countries too. That is not happening. But that "WILL HAPPEN" to Georgia or Azerbaijan etc. if they decide to join NATO.

Also "WILL HAPPEN" is Russian attack on any BMD type assets parked in certain countries like Baltics, Poland or Central Europe.

It is the stupid USA that stirs the peaceful pot and creates all sorts of disturbances and bloodshed. American public is quiet because it is not hurting at the moment. But it was also quiet when upto 5000 Americans came back from Iraq in body bags. So something wrong with the "QUIETNESS" of the American public. They need to speak up more rather than watch their sons leave for the battlefield.

WHY ?????????????

TO SERVE THE EVIL MOTIVES OF THE ELITES ???????



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: victor7

Maybe Putin's going to bring in the humanitarian aid after he destroys the Ukrainian army and militias.

A column of Russian armored personnel carriers (APCs) has reportedly crossed Russia's border with Ukraine. The APCs had earlier been seen traveling alongside a supposed Russian humanitarian convoy headed towards Ukraine's conflict-torn east.

Evidence of Russian troop movement over the border supports the Ukrainian claim that Russian soldiers have been actively supporting pro-Moscow separatist militants in the region.

The Guardian's Moscow correspondent, Shaun Walker, and The Telegraph's Roland Oliphant witnessed the APC convoy cross over the border alongside other military vehicles bearing official Russian military license plates.
Russian Military Vehicles Have Just Crossed Into Ukraine

Looks like we may need a new thread.


These sorts of things are not going to save the rebels. Russia has to go all in or just forget it. All things like this are going to do is get the West arm Ukraine with modern weapons and surge them though some real training. And that is going to bad for any Russian who has to go up against them. Right now it is fight between two poorly armed poorly trained sides. If Russia keeps pushing that will change and Ukraine will end a real threat to Russia itself.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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All things like this are going to do is get the West arm Ukraine with modern weapons and surge them though some real training.


West armed the Iraqi army and trained them for good 5-7 years and they were also battle hardened all along. What happened recently that US had to send its air force for few bombing runs and is now sending some troops also.

Also, Ukraine does not have money to buy weapons. They got $28B from IMF and EU as loans and all of which will go to feed the pockets of bankers as Kiev has more than $120B of debt. US has so far given $30-50 Million in aid mostly for social purposes, military meals. Canada has give $5M of non offensive military gear.

It will take good $10B worth of equipment to make any difference vrs the Russians. In turn, Russia will make sure that US has to maintain atleast 50,000 soldiers in Afghanistan for time to come. Heck, DC arms the fascist Ukes so we will arm the fanatic Talibans.

Speak logic and think on how to bring peace in the world. Guess Americans are taught only to poke their noses in vulnerable third world countries and watch the common people get devastated. Very sick !!
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posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

According to today's Bloomberg article:

Laurent Corbaz, the International Committee of the Red Cross’s head of operations for Europe, will travel to Kiev and Moscow “soon,” with the Russian convoy on the agenda for discussions.

"Soon" being the operative word, ie when they get around to it. While I believe it's possible Russia is stalling it appears to me the RC is definitely stalling as well. I'm not buying that it's just Russia causing all of this.


While possible, it's also possible the Red Cross is simply not wasting their time when Russia is not interested in having them help. ICRC asked Russia for minor details, Russia has so far refused to give them, why should ICRC waste time after that?



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
Convoy is stalling but Russian armor is not


Journalist have reported that 20+ Tanks and fuel trucks crossed into Ukraine in front of their eyes and disappeared in on the dirt track.

Today rebels also reported some minor victories and Russian tanks were seen as near as Donetsk. Finally Russia is coming to help.


originally posted by: victor7
Speak logic and think on how to bring peace in the world. Guess Americans are taught only to poke their noses in vulnerable third world countries and watch the common people get devastated. Very sick !!

Hilarious, you are cheering for War and then talk about peace. The posts in this thread are just too funny.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Should I reply to that lack of comprehension on your part.........I should not !!




posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Should I reply to that lack of comprehension on your part.........I should not !!


Because it's hard to twist when all I did was quote you. Must be a tough job being a Russian propagandist.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 08:19 PM
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Seems like Terrorist Junta in Kiev want to hurt their country even more. They should call a cease fire and go to negotiations.

Russian Convoy Draws Stern Warning From Ukraine

www.nytimes.com...

Warning that Ukraine would deploy “all forces available” to halt the convoy if it refused to submit to inspection by Ukrainian border guards, Ukraine’s military spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said that “any attempt to introduce any convoy without the permission of Ukraine would be considered an act of open aggression.”



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Bassago

Convoy is stalling but Russian armor is not


Journalist have reported that 20+ Tanks and fuel trucks crossed into Ukraine in front of their eyes and disappeared in on the dirt track.

Today rebels also reported some minor victories and Russian tanks were seen as near as Donetsk. Finally Russia is coming to help.

Also found that reporters asked driver to have a look into the convoy trucks and they said "go and check any truck you want". Reporters looked into few of them and found civilian supplies. However, some trucks were atmost only half full of wheat bags etc. Wonder why? I would stuff them with ammo and body armor which come real handy on the battlefield.

Also, Kiev Junta reports that Convoy might be sitting around until Aug 17th or so, but no confirmations. Most probably to secure the routes to Donetsk first.



Donetsk is seeing a very heavy shelling and rocket attacks today. Wonder Terrorist Junta in Kiev is trying to conduct the 'final storm' of the city. All waste of efforts here. Junta should now "write off" half of Ukraine and throw more efforts towards protecting Kiev. Also surf the internet and start looking for the houses and offices in their new "soon to be" capital in Lviv.

Sorry Junta but one of the rules of the global geopolitical game is "DO NOT MESS WITH US or RUSSIA, UNLESS THEY ARE MESSING WITH EACH OTHER DIRECTLY". Rest is for own balanced mind comprehension or stupid arrogance.


I would not be surprised...

Also from reports, there are now 200 vehicles in Donetsk ready to defend. Russia could well be wanting to make Donetsk some kind of "Stalingrad."

I think Russia knows Crimea will be next in line if the "Separatists" lose Eastern Ukraine.

About the ICRC, I read they are already at the convoy South group according to some reporters over there, but not speaking to them.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I have seen the news about Russian tanks crossing into Ukraine.

Good. Now Ukraine military has a worthwhile target to attack.

The interesting part is that the convoy is spotted by journalists, and not Ukraine military.

And if such a convoy has indeed entered, what has Ukraine military done about it?

Aid convoy
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It is clear that aid convoy will not enter Ukraine without agreement with Kiev. A security guarantee is must.

Russia's Actions
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The logical action is full blown invasion from Russia to protect Donbas from Kiev murderers. However Putin is hesitating. People of skill have already left Donbas. The economy is crippled. The people left are those that cannot leave, and are in most need of help. 99% of these people are non-combatants and these are the people who are taking the most losses.

While Kiev may justify its actions under any garb possible, it is clear to NON-western world that Ukraine is killing its citizens in indiscriminate shelling.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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Am I the only one that find this strange ?
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not picking to sides..
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but why US and it's allies can send aid , weapons and military personel into iraq to help the disaster there , and no one in the western world criticize them ? and yet when russia sending Aid convoy to disaster in ukraine they are branded as agressor ?
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i mean shouldnt the MainStream Media treat these move by both sides as equal agression ? or is it ok if US did it but it is not ok if Russia did it ?
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im confused.. whats wrong with the world today ?



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 09:12 PM
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but why US and it's allies can send aid , weapons and military personel into iraq to help the disaster there , and no one in the western world criticize them ? and yet when russia sending Aid convoy to disaster in ukraine they are branded as agressor ?


Because the US, EU, quite probably NATO and the IMF want control over Ukraine for it's natural resources and direct access to Russia. It's why the US State Department in conjunction with the CIA and western NGO's destabilized Ukraine in the first place leading to the overthrow of it's democratically elected leader. Then they put their choice of puppet's into the Ukraine government and now have them crush any resistance.

The IMF bluntly told Kiev to crush any opposition or no IMF loans. The west doesn't want east Ukraine to get any aid. That's the bottom line until completely beaten by the "new" Ukraine government/military.

Edit - The MSM is completely controlled in the west and often (like in this case) works in lock step with the government. At least that's what it seems like in the US. Expect little or no honesty from them.
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posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
I would not be surprised...

Also from reports, there are now 200 vehicles in Donetsk ready to defend. Russia could well be wanting to make Donetsk some kind of "Stalingrad."

I think Russia knows Crimea will be next in line if the "Separatists" lose Eastern Ukraine.

About the ICRC, I read they are already at the convoy South group according to some reporters over there, but not speaking to them.

Exactly what you told me was NOT happening and was Western propaganda because Putin would not do that. Now that it's proven true you no longer care, awesome goalpost change.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: buntalanlucu
but why US and it's allies can send aid , weapons and military personel into iraq to help the disaster there , and no one in the western world criticize them ? and yet when russia sending Aid convoy to disaster in ukraine they are branded as agressor ?
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i mean shouldnt the MainStream Media treat these move by both sides as equal agression ? or is it ok if US did it but it is not ok if Russia did it ?
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im confused.. whats wrong with the world today ?

The two situations are not at all the same. One is the ENTIRE WORLD including Russia saying ISIS is a problem. the other is an illegal invasion of Ukraine started by Russia.

The people of Iraq are asking for help defending against an invasion. The US is helping. The people of Ukraine are asking for help against an invasion. Russia is helping the invaders .. because they ARE the invaders. It would be like the US helping ISIS.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
I would not be surprised...

Also from reports, there are now 200 vehicles in Donetsk ready to defend. Russia could well be wanting to make Donetsk some kind of "Stalingrad."

I think Russia knows Crimea will be next in line if the "Separatists" lose Eastern Ukraine.

About the ICRC, I read they are already at the convoy South group according to some reporters over there, but not speaking to them.

Exactly what you told me was NOT happening and was Western propaganda because Putin would not do that. Now that it's proven true you no longer care, awesome goalpost change.


I feel for someone who is only capable of seeing thing black and white...

If someone doesn`t post anti-Russian news "He must be pro-Russian," right ?

So to clear things up for you, I`m not pro-Russian, I`m just interested in what really going on...

...and yeah, I`m anti US/EU politics.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 10:30 PM
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As you can see there is some disagreement on who started this conflict. At the risk of thread drift I'll just say this. Fact is Russia did not annex Crimea until after the overthrow of the previous lawful Ukraine government. So who was behind the overthrow? Follow the money.

The International Renaissance Foundation (IRF) (Ukrainian: Міжнародний фонд "Відродження") is a Ukrainian NGO founded by George Soros. It was founded in April 1990.

IRF has been largely responsible for recent overthrow of Ukrainian government and funding the Maidan revolution with goals of exploiting the region for western energy interests.
Wikipedia: George Soros, International Renaissance Foundation NGO

Follow the money.

And that's why the US/EU won't help eastern Ukraine. It's pretty much all about the control of Ukraine's natural resources.




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