War, won't matter any more when Ebola is at your door

Tracing Ebola's Outbreak

So I know the NY Times is not always the most reputable place to gather news (gasp!) but this article paints kind of a scary picture. The POTENTIAL amount of people infected is quite scary, considering the lack of aide these country's are receiving and there already depleted and underfunded medical programs. Unfortunately I do not have the words to articulate how this article makes me feel. I am not an expert in any medical field, yet still see a big problem for the U.S. Not just from inbound flights to our country now, but inbound to other North and South American countries that then can cross into our country. We have already proven our borders are not secure enough. Gota go to work, have at it ATS!

a reply to: Gothar
Your thread rhymes, kudos for that

In case there is any doubt then let me say I see absolutely no relationship between the title of the thread and reality.

A very big piece of propaganda for agenda 21 is how I see this NT Times piece. Let me point out what jumps out at me:

How, then, did this one spin so far out of control?
...partly a consequence of modernization in Africa...
...Unlike most previous outbreaks, which occurred in remote, localized spots, this one began in a border region where roads have been improved and people travel a lot.
....change funeral practices that involve touching corpses...
....The mobility, and now the sheer numbers...
....The only way to stop an outbreak is to isolate infected patients, trace all their contacts, isolate the ones who get sick and repeat the process until, finally, there are no more cases. But how do you do that when there can easily be 500 names on the list of contacts who are supposed to be tracked down and checked for fever every day for 21 days?
....Workers were failing to trace all patients’ contacts...

Look at the agenda 21 maps the agencies are using. They all show a clear pattern: Population centres grouped around the country with empty space in between. Now how can you gain public support for such a thing except through public pre-indoctrination of beliefs which would support such an outcome as those maps? Why all the focus on telling us how the Africans are running and hiding from the authorities, and that the current methods of  "tracing people" are woefully inadequate....gosh, what could be a solution but microchips and tracking of people?

How on earth could they create their 1984 and totalitarian state but through the purposeful spread of a disease by which they can hammer us with the "reasons for" said pandemic? In every article, they keep laying down the reasons for the pandemic. What does this do but set up beliefs in minds to be used at a later date? It's like the "casual eyewitness" on the morning of 9/11, as the towers fell, explaining the reason for the collapse to every single person watching the events unfold. And guess what...he gave the very reason that the agencies stuck with. From my viewpoint, I can see the same pre-staging being done now. Frighten the living daylights out of people, and by enslaving them through the dear of death, the controllers herd and implement their solutions. And the people will believe them.

Reality is all top stories seem to be about war recently on ats. I believe this should be taking front stage on the doom porn radar. Not sure about setting up chipping station for human beings. We have been waiting for a disease like this to pop up, not in the postive way either. If it continues at the pace this article suggests (and I suggest reading the whole thing) the outbreak may already be uncontrollable.

Seems this will get worse before it gets better. If it goes hyperbolic in Lagos, then good luck everybody.

a reply to: Gothar

These people are all seriously late to the game. A study in the New England Medical Journal offered that conclusion months ago, when Doctors Without Borders (MSF) was still begging for help.

Reported on ATS in March-April.

April 23, Washington Post

The African Ebola outbreak that shows no sign of slowing

....There are several theories explaining the outbreak, Africa’s worst in seven years and the first to kill in the continent’s west. One was published last week in the New England Journal that established “the emergence of a new EBOV strain in Guinea,” which had “evolved in parallel” to other disease veins.

It said the sickness first appeared in December — substantially earlier than other estimates. “The [virus] introduction seems to have happened in early December 2013 or even before,” the researchers said. “It is suspected that the virus was transmitted for months before the outbreak became apparent because of clusters of cases in the [Guinea] hospitals of Guéckédou and Macenta. This length of exposure appears to have allowed many transmission chains and thus increased the number of cases of Ebola virus disease.”

The scientists said data suggests “a single introduction of the virus into the human population. … Further investigation is ongoing to identify the presumed animal source of the outbreak.”

I agree that war won't matter if Ebola's at the door but recommend the following article:

Ebola May Pose Little Threat to U.S., but It Looms Large on Twitter

…Ebola is trending on Twitter. Even a cursory hashtag search turns up, among the news articles and official announcements, expressions of fear, gallows humor and bad information. The virus can spread through the air? OMG! (It cannot.) A possible Ebola case in New York City? Time to pack for Mars! (It was not Ebola.)

Why do people feel compelled to post and rebroadcast jokes, rumors and dread of a distant disease that public health officials say is extremely unlikely to pose serious risk on this side of the Atlantic Ocean?

The science behind how and why ideas spread on social media is a growing area of research. At the most basic level, marketing experts say, people tend to share stories that stir their deepest feelings, whether positive or negative. To wit, frightful shark attacks routinely top the trending charts alongside cheerful cat videos and inspirational quotes.

People have such a short memory these days.

Ebola has been around for decades, and here we still sit.
Just more end of the world drama that will fizzle. Then 20 years later we can do it again.

But you won't remember...

originally posted by: Jefferton
People have such a short memory these days.

Ebola has been around for decades, and here we still sit.
Just more end of the world drama that will fizzle. Then 20 years later we can do it again.

But you won't remember...

i remember,,



july 25 zero day.

I posted this before -

Some insight into why patients run away from hospitals:

I just read an article where a patient was diagnosed with Ebola like symptoms, but he chose not to stay in the hospital, and instead, went home and isolated himself in a room. He believed he did not have Ebola and refused to check in with the other patients suspected of having Ebola.

It turned out that he did not have Ebola and had Malaria instead. He acquired some medicine and treated himself. He said if he had checked into the hospital, he would have contracted Ebola from the other patients.

a reply to: BobAthome

Whats 0 day and what you counting down?

originally posted by: nOraKat
a reply to: BobAthome

Whats 0 day and what you counting down?

july 25th "Whats 0 day"

what you counting down? 21 days,,Dead or Alive. upon confirmed infection.

originally posted by: nOraKat
a reply to: BobAthome

Whats 0 day and what you counting down?

21 Days is the incubation period (actually 2 to 21 days) of the Ebola virus.

A thought....what if Ebola IS the war...weaponized I mean...or, at the very least, the vaccine they will surely roll out. Knowing that Monsanto is funding the latest "treatment" for it is troubling, because of their already shoddy reputation. That ZMapp experimental treatment that the 2 victims in Atlanta have received gives one pause for thought. It has only been used on primates. There is no way to know exactly what side effects will present other than that research so far has shown a very high rate of Cancer from this treatment...great, get rid of Ebola and get Cancer. The other problem is that Ebola survivors can still be carriers and spread the disease in the future.

Any fast tracked vaccine should be viewed with tremendous amounts of suspicion. I never like the words experimental and fast tracked relevant to vaccines. One article somewhere mentioned how a novel unusual strain of Ebola and/or a "new" vaccine could have the effect of causing people to act like they were on PCP...Zombie Apocalypse anyone? Maybe those silly Zombie "drills" done by certain factions of the military had some reasoning behind it. Spooky thought.

One vaccine idea being toyed with is the use of a rabies vaccine tweaked with some Ebola strain to fight the disease....that one sounds weird too.

Anyway, this entire Ebola situation makes one wonder...so much happening so soon, only certain information is being cherry picked and reported by MSM. Body counts are probably very inaccurate as many cases are not being reported and/or bodies may be burned/mass buried or whatever and we would have no way of knowing.

Rumors about possible forced vaccines....what would they actually contain. Actual vaccines for this dreaded disease are bound to be VERY expensive and made available for the elite...so, what would be in the vials that poor folks would be getting if they become mandatory...no money to be made there. All just speculation and thinking out loud. Seems like fear mongering to mention all of that but what the hey, isn't that what the media is doing already...reporting on it like crazy. Worst yet, news is constantly telling us conflicting and confusing statements coming from the CDC and WHO and other "experts". Now, the CDC says it is airborne...at first, it wasn't they said...which is it?

The actual strain of Ebola...there are more than one kind...the names relevant to that seem to be conflicting/confusing. Novel virus? Manmade virus? Just too much happening too soon.

World wide threat yet open borders, planes still flying and TSA handling crotches/bodily fluids probably on those filthy gloves...all of that and yet the media blitz doesn't add up. We may all have to try and connect the dots and figure this one out on our own.

originally posted by: BobAthome

originally posted by: Jefferton
People have such a short memory these days.

Ebola has been around for decades, and here we still sit.
Just more end of the world drama that will fizzle. Then 20 years later we can do it again.

But you won't remember...

i remember,,

july 25 zero day.

It's Aug 11dude. Your a bit late.
What does this have to do with Ebola?

The only place a vaccine is needed is where this disease originates. In western Africa. The whole world doesn't need a vaccine. But hey nice try at provoking a fear response. a reply to: shrevegal

On a more general note, war and disease go quite well together.

One thinks of the Influenza Pandemic of World One, which killed more people than the war (possibly 40 million).
virus.stanford.edu...

Yet, such pandemics don't cause as much outrage as much more contained sexually transmitted diseases, like Syphilis or AIDS.
Neither do quick deaths cause as much hysteria as diseases that slowly disfigure the body, and especially the face, like some cancers, AIDS or leprosy.
Susan Sontag discussed many of these points in AIDS And Its Metaphors (1989).

Significantly, military metaphors about a "war on cancer" (for example), physical "containment" and the social and individual bodies that can be somehow kept "fortified" against the "invasive" pathogen mirror and accompany military endeavors quite happily.

This makes Ebola quite interesting - there's the idea that one can keep out a foreign threat (from the body and society), as well as the horrific images of bleeding from the face.
However, infection is harder to pin on a stigmatized group, and a relatively quick death doesn't leave as much of an imprint on society as a slow lingering "hard death", even if such outbreaks do eventually kill more people than STDs or cancer.
Heck, heart diseases killed more people, but an instantaneous death didn't raise much stigma or metaphorical concern (until quite recently, perhaps).
That's not to say Ebola will kill as many as the Spanish Flu, but it certainly provides predictable and mixed metaphors.

And yet, there's no stigma about eating meat, even if most of our modern viral epidemics originate with that practice.
It seems our metaphors about new diseases have missed the actual root cause completely.

Max brooks wrote this great book called world war z. Not the crappy movie with brad Pitt either but the book. Remove the word zombie and replace it with....hell replace it with any name of a potential pandemic, and you have a future history book. The damn book is scary, gov'ment hidden knowledge to quell global panic, misinformation spilled out to protect big business and the economy. All the way to the end.

a reply to: halfoldman
U r right, they do not get nearly as much attention and outrage as say cancer or aids research. So what will people say if we want to divert funds from one of these major issues to study Ebola. They will be pissed and upset, of course. Yet cancer and aids are slow killers, years and sometimes decades. This little bugger gives u just 21 days, then kills your ass. This disease will spread quickly BECAUSE we are downplaying it, don't worry and be happy.

kickass.to...

Great documentary on ebola by nova on PBS