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Topic started on 4-12-2004 @ 04:10 PM by Horus_Re
How the Gun Industry Armed Osama bin Laden, Other Foreign and Domestic Terrorists, and Common Criminals with 50 Caliber Sniper Rifles

The 50 caliber sniper rifles proliferating on today's civilian market are coveted by Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda and other international terrorist organizations because the cartridge they fire offers a devastating combination of range and power. This section explains why the .50BMG round can slice through body armor like a knife through warm butter, knock down hovering helicopters, rip up armored limousines, destroy radar dishes, and ignite bulk fuel tanks—all at the length of 10 football fields.

This is a matter where size really matters...

The Violence Policy Center is a national non-profit educational foundation that conducts research on violence in America and works to develop violence-reduction policies and proposals. The Center examines the role of firearms in America, conducts research on firearms violence, and explores new ways to decrease firearm-related death and injury

www.vpc.org...

The Sniper rifle is truly a military weapon,fielded by armies in conflicts around the globe.U.S. armed forces,for example,used 50 cal.sniper rifles during the 91' Gulf War to destroy Iraqi light armored vehicls,and artillery pieces at very long ranges....
For at least the last two decades,the firearms industry in the U.S. has repeatedly introduced progressively more lethal weapons in the civilian marketplace.This response to stagnation in gun sales has been apparent as each new deadly innovation has become more widely available....


reply posted on 4-12-2004 @ 06:31 PM by Simulacra
Originally posted by weirdo
So if these terrorist have been given these weapons can you post info on any terrorist actions that have been attributed to this firearm.


Here is an interesting
link that might answer some of your questions. It gives possibly terrorist scenarios in which 50 caliber ammunition can be a severe civil threat. But we already know that any weapon can be a severe civil thread. Nothing really new here, but check it out if you absolutely have nothing else to do with your time.


reply posted on 4-12-2004 @ 06:39 PM by ADVISOR
This is about the only reference a quick search came up with in regards to;
Terrorist and Criminal Use of .50 Caliber Sniper Rifles

Good luck getting the actual report from the BATF, everyone knows how they are. Besides, they probably conducted the study CIA style. By just giving the stuff to them and see what they do.

Personally I'm not worried, do a search on body armor here on ATS, you will see what I mean. (I don't think the guy tested his home made armor against the .50, but the explosives were good enough of a test for me)


reply posted on 4-12-2004 @ 08:26 PM by ShadowXIX
Originally posted by ADVISOR
This is about the only reference a quick search came up with in regards to;
Terrorist and Criminal Use of .50 Caliber Sniper Rifles



from the Brady Campaign they are a unbaised group with no agenda.

About the high capacity mags they were never hard to get even during the ban. There has not even been a price drop since the ban expired. We can buy bayonet lugs now though, look for a increase in drive by bayonetings in the near future.


[edit on 4-12-2004 by ShadowXIX]


reply posted on 5-12-2004 @ 01:59 PM by astral_ice
First off there is not much that can stop a .50 caliber bullet from a 3,000 dollar sniper rifle (add at least $800 for a 1 mile range scope, now in night vision for only lots haha). And each round costs almost 2.50 usd. Hell a .50 caliber rifle will punch a hole through anyplace on a bradley fighting vehicle except the front and parts of the cupola, but there are mitigating facts.
1. for the price of the rifle minus scope and no ammo you can illegally buy 5 full auto ak-47's with 10 30 round mags of armor piercing each for less.
2. Yes in theory a .50 bmg rifle is pinpoint accurate to 1 mile plus but you combine the cost of just supplying the basic ammunition, gun, and scope to where you are capable of being accurate (plus the punishment those mutha's deal out every time you fire them! that is a big freaking round after all... I've fired one I won't do it again)
3. As far as being a military rifle you are absolute correct, as a matter of a fact it isn't even a common military weapon Here is why: Even the small .50 rifles carry enormous price tags as well as enormous weight (50 rounds rifle and scope alone would be well over 50 lbs. in most cases). Second they are not sniper rifles they are anti-materiel/psy-ops rifles used by special forces troops, their sole purpose is to cause what is normally considered token damage i.e a radar aerial or other equipment in a rear area of the enemy is hit and then the sniper team moves out accomplishing their mission of scaring the crap out of the opposing sides leadership.
4. Even a good rifle with all of the bells and whistles is not what you would call a subtle weapon they are amazingly loud and all of them put out a tongue of flame at least a couple feet long, which is why noone commits murder with them.
5. Body armor 101: Ok class here is how it works in the real world your average police officer and/or soldier wears level 3 a or l. 3 kevlar vests with a trauma plate system. You can realistically expect this to stop 99% of all handgun shots even at point blank range, with the exception of specialized rounds and .22 cal and other small bullets. You cannot expect however body armor to:
a: stop a rifle bullet: Even with the steel plates some rangers wear it will not stop a 7.62, 5.56mm, or .223 cal bullet or any other true rifle cartridge.
b: Assuming you survive the first shot even with a pistol because of a vest, YOU ARE STILL MOST LIKELLY GRIEVOUSLY INJURED.
6. I am very disappointed to see someone in ATS mouthing the Brady/UN party line of guns are bad. Of course they are bad! Are you stupid noone who is slightly sane wants to kill someone, but there is only one reason why governments want to take weapons from civilians and it isn't good. PERIOD. THERE IS NO ACCEPTABLE REASON TO PROHIBIT CIVILIAN GUN OWNERSHIP.
7. If you had done your research you would understand that noone kills people with $4,000 weapons, they are rare and easilly traceable. You would also understand that the brady bill and others like it were designed to erode the 2nd ammendment slowly and it has worked
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