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Rioting, looting reported in Ferguson (Missouri)

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posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Oh yah, you're not big on stereotyping are ya




posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You mind showing me exactly what you're talking about or would you rather I guess???



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I totally agree with you.
If you didn't understand what I meant, I was stating that we, the entire USA, need to put our differences aside for the moment and come together as a people. We need to start from the bottom up, not the top down, people need to change and come together. We are the majority, it's time we start acting like it! Tolerance and acceptance do not have to be dirty words all the time. And not for religious or political reasons, for the sake of survival and this illusion of freedom America has to offer to continue, until that can be fixed also.
I cannot help but feel things are at a turning point and soon this experiment will be over if we continue to fight among ourselves. Each and every issue that comes to the surface, chips away to the point of diversifying us into groups such as white/black, republican/democrat, atheist/religious, etc., etc., etc.. Soon we will be all so compartmentalized, it will be impossible to achieve any cause of a common goal.

..... but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 06:11 PM
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As a longtime browser, I joined so that I could give some input on this situation. I have lived in St. Louis my entire life, most of it only 10 minutes from Ferguson. While this city is VERY segregated in some parts (Ferguson being one), the civilian outlook on police is the same in the black areas as it is in the white. The only difference is that the police in the black areas are more prone to violence, while in the white areas it is planting evidence and such. I could go on for hours with 1st and 2nd hand accounts in both white and black areas.

The riots on Sunday night were nothing more than local thieves and opportunists. Yesterday I spoke with a Ferguson resident who said that most of the people he knew did not see this as a race issue, but rather a police issue. Many other interactions of mine have given me the same view. The local media are the main ones fueling the race issue.

Last night there was a gathering of peaceful protesters, which the police responded with tear gas, rubber bullets, and wooden bullets. The only violence/rioting that has occurred was the unfortunately events on Sunday. Everything since has been peaceful.

In my opinion, this event could be something to help bring a change in police militarization/brutality. The media spin on the race issue doesn't help, neither did the looters. While most of the protesters have been black, I am currently working on how to organize a protest that isn't. If a city-wide protest could occur of all races to speak out against the police issue, I firmly believe it would overcome the racial issue and take advantage of the national media attention to bring about real police reform.



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Well if option one is what we have now and option two is the Crazy Conservatives and option 3 is the even more crazy Radical Tea Party then I'll hold out to see what option four might be.

You think this is bad??? We're gearing up for another election soon and what have we got on the table so far??? We've go the Conservatives who either give us some Religious nut job and/or Corporate lapdog. Or you have the Liberals who give us Hillary, which so damn frightening I don't know where to begin. She'll do anything to get in and payback whoever can get her in there with whatever they want. Meaning, once again, another Corporate Lapdog among other things. Then there is the Tea Party and they're crazier than sh*t house rats. Beyond that are some other people which we'll never hear from anyway so why bother. Basically all players will be bought and sold before they start warming up for the race anyway. So as bad as you may think it is now, not too far in the future you'll look back and think these were the glory days!!

I couldn't agree with you more. We are on a bad path and need to tear it all down and start over. But in the mean time...sometimes that bad choice you have to make, is still the best of the choices available. There isn't always a good choice, just ones that aren't as bad...or at least ones we haven't tried.



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I totally agree with you.
If you didn't understand what I meant, I was stating that we, the entire USA, need to put our differences aside for the moment and come together as a people. We need to start from the bottom up, not the top down, people need to change and come together. We are the majority, it's time we start acting like it! Tolerance and acceptance do not have to be dirty words all the time. And not for religious or political reasons, for the sake of survival and this illusion of freedom America has to offer to continue, until that can be fixed also.
I cannot help but feel things are at a turning point and soon this experiment will be over if we continue to fight among ourselves. Each and every issue that comes to the surface, chips away to the point of diversifying us into groups such as white/black, republican/democrat, atheist/religious, etc., etc., etc.. Soon we will be all so compartmentalized, it will be impossible to achieve any cause of a common goal.

..... but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.


Nothing personal, but I really disagree. We are animals and like all animals we do best in groups with others of like beliefs, goals, needs and personalities. In short...we prefer to be with people like ourselves. Fighting nature and pretending that we can change what we are made of, never works. Its like a gay person trying to be straight. It isn't possible, and it is against their nature. All it ever leads to is failure. I would suggest we embrace what we are and understand that we are different and accept that. It is a lot easier to say "dogs don't like cats" than to force them to live together and fight all the time. We have a fictitious dream of what we could be...but it is not who or what we are. We are animals built by nature. You can't just turn that off.



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I am not asking anyone to change their personal beliefs, just accept that others have them also.
The rest of what you wrote, in short, is exactly what I'm talking about, just with different words.



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

the whole bible thumping nonsense (spew in my opinion)



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: AnteBellum

Oh I don't disagree with you actually, if it sounded that way. I am just noting that it is more of a challenge when so many different kinds of people come from so many cultures and countries. Actually, there is a term for what is happening, and it's called "balkanization:. Teddy Roosevelt supposedly warned about it.... and Senator Ted Kennedy introduced the Immigration Reform Act which accelerated that.... just saying, it is what it is...
www.rense.com...




Tolerance and acceptance do not have to be dirty words all the time.


Yes, if only the people who scream and yell for tolerance the most actually embodied the actual tolerance they demand of others... ergo:liberal/Progressives demand tolerance for alternative lifestyles then demand to have Christian values removed from the public square, you know that type of thing.... practice what we preach and all that.


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posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: mOjOm

the whole bible thumping nonsense (spew in my opinion)



Uh huh. Thanks for clearing that up so well.


I take it you're a very Religious person yourself which is why the slightest mention of Religion and how it might not be the Divine Universal Truth upsets you. That was hardly the point of anything I was saying and just added for better context but no matter. What can I say but oh well, we don't all see things the same way. At this point I don't even remember what I was talking about anyway, so there is no need to worry about me saying anything else to upset you anymore.(EDIT: The next part kinda goes against what I just said here BTW.)

On topic however. It's too bad all Truth and Love and Power of Faith that you believe in so much never seems to help situations like these too much. It never seems to stop those bullets from killing the innocent. It never seems to stop the insanity from getting more and more out of control. Cops still kill unarmed citizens, vandals still run wild in the streets, the innocent end up the victims and brutality just keeps getting more systematic and efficient in it's actions. Anyway, I won't turn this into more of a rant than it is already. See ya on the battle field I guess....
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posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

That was the most obvious part....conservatives must be bible thumpers in your mind apparently. I could play that game too....liberal/Progressives believe in the Nanny State, any religion but Christian, or alternatively believe in Christian socialism and declare Jesus to be socialist, etc, secular humanism alternatively....that is no religion but that of relative human, demand that Christian values removed from the public square because they find it offensive, and oh yes I very nearly forgot, along with the Statism, believe in radical environmentalism because human parasites have overpopulated and the only way to get it under control is to restrict humans use of the land and resources(with themselves of course deciding all the particulars).

but on TOPIC this thread is not about your dreaded bible thumpers but about possible power abuse by Leo's which could actually be instituted by the very Progressives who push Nanny Statism, as our CIC has shown that Progressives have no problem with the Police State mentality and commandeering all the nation's resources at a whim.


And for the record, I may or may not be a religious person, as I did not say in my posts here, but you obviously have a problem with both conservatives and religious persons.



It's too bad all Truth and Love and Power of Faith that you believe in so much never seems to help situations like these too much.


I didn't say what I believe in, but it's not secular humanism, and it's not fundamentalism of any kind, and it's not radical GAIAN environmentalism. You on the other hand, seem he&& bent on insulting me without knowing a thing about me, and for what reason? Am I not speaking Progressive Speak?
And so, also, you think that a Creator to whom I supposedly must pray has to automatically answer according to your preconceived notion of what God wants for this world?




Cops still kill unarmed citizens, vandals still run wild in the streets, the innocent end up the victims and brutality


Yes, and I never said it DIDN'T happen that way, did I? I happened to have lived in St. Louis, which is the main reason I'm posting here, because I still love the city I grew up in, and even stated it saddened me to see this happen. But thanks for showing me what I already know about certain people.
My final point here is that I talked about respect for the LAW, not a particular religious outlook. For whatever reason, you seemed to have taken my mention of the Constitution in some odd way.....all in all I guess I'm not all that surprised, for Progressives do tend to view the Constitution as a constraint for their nanny state.
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posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
That was the most obvious part....conservatives must be bible thumpers in your mind apparently.


As far as those in the Political Theater, Yes, they are. Not that any one of them is probably acting Faithfully within it, but they call themselves whatever title suits them so as not to lose their voter support.


but on TOPIC this thread is not about your dreaded bible thumpers but about possible power abuse by Leo's which could actually be instituted by the very Progressives who push Nanny Statism, as our CIC has shown that Progressives have no problem with the Police State mentality and commandeering all the nation's resources at a whim.


Yeah, everyone loves a good ol' Police State don't they. Especially them Progressives, right. Looks like you're not too bad at Generalizing and Stereotyping yourself. But in all honestly I don't think anyone wants a Police State, not even those evil Atheist, Progressives.

That reminds me however of why I started in with you to begin with. It was this statement here:


If there were, would you know it? What makes you think the biased liberal media would ever report that?

At first I just wanted to remind you that all media is biased, both right and left and that's all. But you kept insisting that while that may be true, "everyone knows it's more liberal" or something similar. Your constant push to always be just a little better or whatever got to me, I admit. Although, I honestly forgot about it until right now.


And for the record, I may or may not be a religious person, as I did not say in my posts here, but you obviously have a problem with both conservatives and religious persons.


I have a problem with lots of people. LEO's, Government, Multinational Corps., Military, Radical Religious Zealots, Extremists both Right or Left, Terrorists...Basically anyone who's got a Superior Attitude that they like to throw around and abuse other people with, just because they can or because they have some agenda to push. So what....So does 99% of the people on this planet, it's not like it makes any of us special, so who cares.

I honestly don't know and don't care if you're religious or not. I don't even recall why we progressed into such a conversation other than you seemed to be pissed at something I said and by the time I found out what it was, there we were in the middle of it. I don't have anything against you though, I don't even know you.

But it looks like we may be in the same sinking boat together, friends or not, as the Police State with all it's brutality just keeps on coming huh. Hopefully we can both agree that blaming one side or the other isn't gonna help either side. Plus, the truth is, there are no sides. That's all just BS anyway. There is just people. Those with power and those without it and the one's who have it obviously like to destroy other with it. So I don't know if you have any ideas on what to do about it, but we could certainly use it before both of us end up as a gooey stain in the street in the future.



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 11:27 PM
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will be over if we continue to fight among ourselves
a reply to: AnteBellum

Yes, I think I understand what you are saying, that the Elites are in power and it's up to the rest of us to band together in protest rather than let them continue to walk all over us. I totally agree.



posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 11:30 PM
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far as those in the Political Theater, Yes, they are. Not that any one of them is probably acting Faithfully within it, but they call themselves whatever title suits them



No, it's whatever YOU are calling them. But whatever, I can see that you have a fatally flawed opinion of anyone with conservative values, and you cannot conceive that a conservative person might have any other belief than bible thumping Christian fundamentalist. But if you want to be sure everyone here knows that about your belief, that is certainly fine with me.

But if you would look at the avatar I currently have, you will see the word "Liberty", and I definitely do believe in that, as our FOUNDERS did. I believe in the Constitution, as our FOUNDERS did. Now, what problem do you have with that?
The looters are not using the means with which our Founders envisioned as a method for redressing grievances, in fact they are making innocent business owners pay for their anger and frustration.
Anyway, good day to you sir and hope you find more philosophical enjoyment in your life
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posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I just said "Those in the Political Theater". As in Politicians, Conservative Media, etc. NOT "anyone with conservative values". I tried to be clear about that. I'm not talking about the man on the street or even most people who make up either or any party. I'm talking about the "talking heads" and "puppets" that represent the heads of them. Is that clear now??? If not then just forget it, let's drop it, it's not even important.

I don't suppose you read anything past that point did ya?



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 12:14 AM
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I also live in St. Louis, South Side at the moment, and I agree with all that you have said.

The vast majority of St. Louis and the surrounding communities do see this whole unfortunate event as a police brutality issue. Personally I think that the media along with law enforcement need it to be a race issue, easy, sensational news gathering for the media and total cover for the Ferguson Police department.

I am slightly alarmed at the military hardware that I am seeing displayed up there.



posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Bingo!


The only problem I'm still having is factually finding out who really is in control!
There are many groups named, obviously you know them all too. 'Elites' at this time would be the most accurate way to describe them for their is nothing on the table as to their motives or agenda, its all been speculation. Unfortunately, I'm also starting to believe their is NO absolute concrete evidence of their parties existence, then there can never be a chance of a leak.
There is no way to launch an effective revolution against a group without knowing of its existence first(which will never happen). This petty racism, sexism, religious/sexual bias, political stance BS is showing anyone who is in control, we are nothing more then a group of kindergardeners that need it.
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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: Wiz4769
The fact all this happened instantly before any investigation could even be done says it all. Taking advantage of a situation for their own gain. The actual peaceful protesters do care that a person was shot, everyone else is looking at it from the angle of "Im getting mine" and do not care why this opportunity presented itself. You cant justify acting this way and doing what they are doing. You can justify being angry for sure, you can justify protesting the actually police station, etc. But no matter what you say, you know deep down burning and looting businesses that had nothing at all to do with this is very wrong. And civilized people know 2 wrongs dont make a right.

I keep seeing people claim that witnesses are saying he was shot in cold blood, yet one of the first reports from a witness, who actually was there and knew Brown, said that he did in fact assault the police officer. But this is not being brought up. Also the fact that this person has a rap sheet including assault, yet everyone wants to state he was a quiet kid that just wanted to go to college and do better. And Im not saying just because he got in trouble before means hes guilty and deserved to be shot. But to act like the guy never did anything violent before and was shot just because he was trying to better his life to escape the hood and happened to be black is just pulling the heartstrings to cloud the issue.

The point is, if after an in depth investigation is done and they find the cop did indeed shoot him for no reason while on his knees giving up, I will be one to shout for his immediate arrest and prosecution. I have seen the heavy handed actions of the police and know it needs to be stopped, but will any of you ever change your view if they find that he did attack the officer and he was justified in the shooting?? No you wont, you will say its the MAN keeping you down and that they changed the story to keep this from getting out of hand.

Hopefully this gets sorted out and the people there calm down and stop acting like animals before something else bad happens.


And now another person has been shot...that is exactly what I figured would happen if people kept up the violent behavior. I hope this doesnt start spreading , there is going to be alot more getting shot and killed and will have nobody but themselves to blame, but they will still try to blame Im sure. Protest and morn all you want, but stop the violence or you are no different than the ones you are protesting against....



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 07:39 AM
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Teen gets killed by cop for no reason whatsoever.

ATS posters start talking about 'Black Culture'.

Stay classy ATS



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: spacedog1973
Tens of people killed in Chicago numerous weekends in black on black violence.

Looting ensues when a black adult is shot by a policeman and it happens before any investigation into the incident can be done.

How dare anyone talk about black culture.
We should be talking about 'GHETTO CULTURE'. IDGAF what color the people are (because they come in all shades), that culture is spreading and ruining our country




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