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Keystone emissions may be 4 times higher through lowering gas prices slightly,,,,

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 10:42 PM

Keystone....the pipeline for oilsands to the southern refineries, has been re assessed as having up to four times more green house gasses emissions.....but get the reasoning here.........its because the pipeline may provide enough fuel to lower gas prices,,, this will cause increased consumption......well....what did they think will happen if prices lower for ANY reason....
Twisted logic from twisted minds.....

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 12:28 AM
a reply to: stirling

All right, I have to ask. Does a 400% increase in polluting gases mean that we burn 400% more fuel? That's a pretty drastic increase. What would cause us to have such a dramatic response?

Lowering gas prices slightly? Do you use four times as much gas when the price goes from $3.50 to $3.00? I don't believe anyone else does either.

How long has this approval been up in the air? Five years? Six? Regardless, it won't happen until the 2014 elections are over. This decision requires some courage, therefore it will not happen, or it will be blamed on some one else.

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 03:11 AM
At least they could come up with better sure they are counting on nobody really even paying attention to the assessments guts....just believe what we tell you.....

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 09:53 PM
This is beyond ridiculous. Are we dropping to 5c a gallon? Even then I could not fathom using 4x more gas.

posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 12:58 AM
The Koch Bros own 1.5 million acres of Tar Sands oil. They don't want to ship any of that oil via the several already existing pipelines to midwestern refineries for domestic production, they want to bypass those refineries and take the oil straight to their Houston refinery for sales overseas. The KeystoneXL pipeline will drive prices up in America, not lower it. And, as an added kicker for them, they get to increase greenhouse gas production by 400%!

posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 01:08 AM
Well don't they now ship the oil via Warren Buffet's Railroad instead of Keystone- an Obama butt buddy...those Diesel Locomotives are emission neutral...right?

posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 01:14 AM

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
And, as an added kicker for them, they get to increase greenhouse gas production by 400%!

According to the source that would lower greenhouse gas production.

posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 09:48 AM
How many pipelines are needed? Kochs have become a new player, wanting their own pipeline to cut oil flowing to midwestern refineries, with the results being higher domestic prices, and more profit to them from overseas sales.

Existing Tar Sands and Associated Pipelines - 2009(link to LARGE image)

Keystone XL Gas Price Myth Busted

NRDC, Oil Change International and ForestEthics Advocacy released a report today, “Keystone XL: A Tar Sands Pipeline to Increase Oil Prices,” that blows apart the tar sands industry’s claims that building the Keystone XL pipeline would lower gasoline prices in America. The report lays out how Keystone XL would reduce gasoline supplies in America by diverting Canadian tar sands crude from the Midwest to the Gulf Coast.

So put simply, Keystone XL moves existing crude oil supply from refineries that have been producing gasoline predominately for the US market to refineries that are predominately producing diesel for the export market. This will lower the amount of gasoline produced in America, raise the price Midwest refineries pay for crude oil and lead to higher gasoline prices.

None of this should be a surprise. The industry has no interest in lowering gas prices, why should it? It has for a long time enjoyed a monopoly on transportation fuel. Today, as demand trends shift slowly towards greater efficiency and alternatives, the prospects of raising American demand for oil are fading. The response is to export in order to maintain revenues and maintain prices. The industry is doing its fiduciary duty to its shareholders to maintain and grow profits in a changing global market. It has no such duty to consumers and citizens.

Koch brothers' quiet play: Oil sands

The biggest lease owner in Canada's oil sands isn't one of the well-known international oil giants. It's a subsidiary of Koch Industries, the privately owned cornerstone of the fortune of conservative Koch brothers Charles and David.

Billionaires’ Carbon Bomb
(Koch Cas$ - tracking the single largest source of private money corrupting democracy)

Building Keystone XL Pipeline Could Mean Roughly $100 Billion in Profits for the Koch Brothers, New Report Reveals.

  • The Kochs could earn 1 million times more than the average worker of the pipeline.
  • Evidence suggests The Kochs alone be responsible for over 19 billion metric tons of carbon emissions in their tar sands holdings.
  • Think tanks funded by the Kochs have released nearly 1000 pro-KXL reports or statements.
  • Kochs have already made billions from insider trading and stand to do that again with tar sands.
  • Koch Industries has a history of violence against people and the environment.
  • The Koch Brothers seek to alter the public debate and control the policy debates in Washington.

“The Kochs have repeatedly claimed that they have no interest in the Keystone XL Pipeline, this report shows that is false.” Said Nathalie Lowenthal-Savy , a researcher with IFG. “We noticed Koch Funded Tea Party members and think tanks pushing for the pipeline. We dug deeper and found $100 billion in potential profit, $50 million sent to organizations supporting the pipeline, and perhaps 2 million acres of land. That sounds like an interest to me.” Nathalie continued, “We all know they will use that money to fund and expand their influence network, subvert democracy, crush unions like in Wisconsin, and get more extremists elected to congress.

posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 02:51 AM
The propaganda war goes on......everywhere.....
I find it disgusting that false statements and false data, false claims and laughable science get the front page headlines while the facts seldom make the papers.....

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