Oh... Finally NY Times Discovers Neo-Nazis In Ukraine

a reply to: Bassago

This is about the US and EU supporting Neo-Nazis. That's a bad thing.

People like him dont want to hear that truth.I do find it ironic how quickly deflect once the fact comes out and say that the far right parties have support of Putin and the Kremlin well using the same news sources that prolonged and begged an military intervention into Libya and Syria.

Just like this point of his.

So Russia making the claim of fascists is laughable as you can see.

Russia claims the claims of fascists is a laughable yet he/she ignores the fascists protest rally that was on in Kiev a while ago demanding Ukraine's government to end the ceasefire.

I love how these people keep denying the truth and the reported truth while ignoring facts they really should be getting a job at a news outlet.

Still waiting for ACTUAL evidence that Russia was behind the downing of the Malaysian airliner.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

I love how these people keep denying the truth and the reported truth while ignoring facts they really should be getting a job at a news outlet.

Yep, which is why I'm keeping this thread focused on the topic. Ukraine, Kiev, EU, US support of Nazis in east Ukraine. And that's a bad thing. Not seeing many of the pro-US/EU supporters of Kiev/IMF/NATO/Nazi folks here though.

Still hoping for folks from the EU to weigh in on this as well as it effects them more.

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: Thisbseth

Well I don't see the Euro Neo-Nazis banding together with Muslim jihadist groups anytime in the near future regardless of perceived enemies. The Ukrainian Nazis seem to have one focus at this point, anyone who disagrees with the "newly elected" Kiev government.

I dont know apparently the far right in Ukraine arent happy at the moment in fact Kiev started a crackdown and started arresting them. They just had a blow up in maiden were police had to get in a gun fight over them taking over a building. There is little tolerance for the far right at the moment in Ukraine. But there is a danger they will have to deal with just like in Europe far right movement are gaining in popularity. A large part of it is the influx of Muslims from other countries. Bottom line fear is always the first response when a new population is added to another. And this fear can be used and will be. Even see it in Russia its no different they dont want immigrants for fear they will lose the Russian culture.

There are good and bad people fighting on both sides, just like every other conflict in human history. Of course it is the media's job to boil every conflict down to good guys vs bad guys, but us consumers eat that crud up - makes everything easier for us, Who do we root for? Oh, old Dan Rather's knows. I remember watching a Vice news report on the Ukraine conflict that clearly showed a Ukrainian soldier wearing a swastika - but, of course there are scumbags in the Ukrainian army, there are plenty of scumbags in the US army (I know, I know, disparaging the US military is a taboo, but anyone who has enlisted can confirm my sentiments. There are bad people in every strata in society, from the downtrodden, to the most exalted. I'm sure you can find many a national socialist in many armies around the world, I'm sure military service is quite an ideal to those of that philosophy, does that mean all those armies are nazi armies? Of course not.)

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

I'll tell you one thing. The Nazi's make one helluva better villain than the Russians do.

a reply to: dragonridr

This response is rather not surprising. And its clear with this reply here alone you clearer dont know anything about Ukraine either its current politics, history, people expect the news you heard from your westren news outlets, whatever its BBC, CBC, FOX News, CNN, AJ.

This post just further suggests it.

There is little tolerance for the far right at the moment in Ukraine.

The far right at the moment in Ukraine are far well tolerated and enhanced by the wealth of the support which it gained which they were the ones behind the maiden protests from the start.

They bused in supporters from the west of Ukraine. West Ukraine disputes East Ukraine the same the eastern Ukrainians disputes the western Ukrainians for there ties in both WWs and the Ukrainian civil war with the cossacks.

Your this post shows me that you lack a clear understanding of whats actual occurring in Ukraine. You dont want admit that America and her puppet allies with the likes of Poland, Germany started this maiden movement.


They knew the Ukrainians were stupid so they would be easily bought which they did. The maiden protesters were nothing but clowns and fools whom waited for hours and a month to see there beloved McCain the hero come to Kiev.

A large part of it is the influx of Muslims from other countries.

No the large part because of the Fascism a rise in popularity is not mainly due because of the influx of Muslims from other countries.

There are other factors which contributor to there spread and which the Fascist movements whom underground to gain support.

in Russia its no different they dont want immigrants for fear they will lose the Russian culture.

Don't talk about Russian Politics it seems you lack a clear understanding of them.

a reply to: Syyth007

Perhaps but the issue i see here is that Kiev is actually utilizing these Nazi militias as shock troops in east Ukraine, the EU and US are aware of it and they are supporting this.

Yes there are extremists all over the globe. Actively using them to achieve specific goals and turning a blind eye to what they really are is simply wrong. I mean come on, Europeans supporting Nazis? How far have they fallen? The US as well for that matter.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Find that kind of hard since i am Russian but i guess you clearly understand them better than me. Wow your a piece of work arent you.

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: Syyth007
Yes there are extremists all over the globe. Actively using them to achieve specific goals and turning a blind eye to what they really are is simply wrong. I mean come on, Europeans supporting Nazis? How far have they fallen? The US as well for that matter.

I couldn't have said it better myself when describing the radical Cossack extremists that are in the east Ukraine.

Yes, both sides are doing it..

a reply to: Bassago

Dear Bassago,

May I appeal to our brief but sincere friendship to ask you to consider another point of view?

We won't be able to find someone who is pure and spotless enough to win the support of The Huffington Post or The New York Times. We can support neither side, or we can support one or the other.

Russia has shown that it is willing to invade, and has the military strength to do it. Ukraine hasn't really threatened anybody and have a very feeble military. Further, the US pledged "Security Assurances" (Whatever that may mean) to Ukraine in exchange for that country surrendering it's many nukes. (It was the number three nuclear power at the time.)

Throw in the Malaysian flight, and I can see where Moscow was looking pretty bad in general. Helping Russia would have been completely insane. Was there any reason not to help Ukraine except for the "Neo-Nazis?"

Doesn't that word bother you a little? It's vagueness bothers me. It seems more emotional than descriptive. But regardless of that, both sides have that distinctive political philosophy. If we are prohibited from aiding countries that have a minority of "Neo-Nazis," aren't we also prohibited from aiding countries with a minority of Islamic fanatics?

Can we help countries that have made homosexuality a criminal offense? Adultery? Criticism of the State? Is there anyone to whom we can offer support to who is not stained in some way? Canada, perhaps, but look what they did to First Nation. Or Australia and their Aborigines.

It does look like we are aiding a country in which there may be found a minority of citizens who are similar in some ways to the Nazis. In this situation I would ask, "So what?"

With respect,
Charles1952

one warlord of right sector has sworn Odessa rabbiT to protect j*ws youtu.be... in the sense killing of goyims

A pro-Russian militia leader with an almost mythical status in lawless eastern Ukraine is now threatening to go after U.S. President Barack Obama and his so-called “Jewish-masonic lodge.” In a wildly racist online video, that uses the “N-word” to describe President Obama

Mozhaev is a symbol of the anarchy that exists in eastern Ukraine since the Russians took over Crimea. The 36-year-old is a proud Cossack—an ethnic minority long known as ruthless mercenaries who did what could delicately be called “police work” for Russia over the centuries, some of which included the persecution of Jews.

Babai disclosed to a reporter that he and his friends were bored and “sitting around” after the annexation of Crimea, so they decided to go where they were needed: eastern Ukraine. There, while making incoherent statements, talking about “freemasons” and “Jews,” he now leads a force 2,500 strong.

In his latest video, which was possibly posted to deny rumors that he was seriously injured, Mozhaev gives a short interview, threatening the U.S. in general and Obama in particular.

“We have evidence for American presence here,” he says. “When we arrive to Kiev and we find out that you didn’t evacuate your people yet, we’ll gather a group of Cossacks and come to the U.S. to *** your *** Judeo-masonic lodge.”

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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Find that kind of hard since i am Russian but i guess you clearly understand them better than me. Wow your a piece of work arent you.

Your Russian? really? if you are an actual Russian an actual Russian wouldn't be talking like this as it makes you look as if your newish to history on the matters of Ukraine.

Find that kind of hard since i am Russian

if you were you wouldn't be claiming that Fascists are being paid or are working with Kremlin because the Fascist agenda in Russia isn't the one to be with working along side Kremlin but rather opposite of it.

I have Russian friends and my Grandfather was an True Ukrainian Eastern Cossack. Yeah i am sure your Russian thats what they claim after being debated.


If your RUSSIAN you wouldn't attack on what happened in Odessa. You wouldn't be siding the noses with an Westren oligarch whom thus far has done nothing for the Ukrainian people.

Do comeback when your not watching Westren news outlets.

a reply to: charles1952

Can we help countries that have made homosexuality a criminal offense?

Oh you mean countries whom which America's gov is allied with like Qatar and Saudi Arabia? why not asking them first to cut down the homosexuality as a criminal offense?

a reply to: charles1952

Hello Charles,

I'd logged out to go to bed when i saw your post, so I logged back in. I will look at each of your points carefully and try to respond as best I can.

Russia has shown that it is willing to invade, and has the military strength to do it.

Indeed they do and have in the past. I don't accept Crimea as one of those instances though. I see remarkable restraint in Russia's reaction to Kiev's actions. I know if I was running things I'd have overrun Ukraine already. Guess I'm just a hothead.

the US pledged "Security Assurances"

I get that and it's probably one of the reasons Russia hasn't overrun Ukraine. That and I believe Putin really only wanted Crimea anyway. The east Ukraine pro-Russian separatists have messed things up for Russia IMO.

Throw in the Malaysian flight, and I can see where Moscow was looking pretty bad in general. Helping Russia would have been completely insane. Was there any reason not to help Ukraine except for the "Neo-Nazis?"

I've yet to see one single piece of evidence that Russia is responsible for this atrocity. They have no reason to shoot this plane down and every reason not to. While the west has poured on the blame about Russia for this there is simply nothing to persuade anyone looking at actual evidence they did this.

All I've seen is western propaganda and unsubstantiated accusations. If there is any proof of Russia's involvement I'd really like to know because this was a horrendous act. To me though this has the stench of a desperate Kiev government that would do anything to achieve their goals. I will look any anything that proves who did this.

Was there any reason not to help Ukraine except for the "Neo-Nazis?"

Charles, there are many reasons to help Ukraine. There are simply no reasons to help Nazis. I will no longer refer to them as Neo-Nazis, in my mind they are simply Nazis. They admit it, so should we.

If WWII wasn't enough reason to stand against them then I don't know what to tell you. These people are evil, they were then and they are now. Isn't that enough reason to say "Stop!" and reassess what we are doing and who we are doing it with? I believe so.

If we are prohibited from aiding countries that have a minority of "Neo-Nazis," aren't we also prohibited from aiding countries with a minority of Islamic fanatics?

If we are supporting the active slaughter of innocents and civilians then the answer is yes. We absolutely need to stop. Good and evil are not relative, when we support a devil we become the same. I've never been one to waffle on the choice between what's right or wrong. I wish America was the same.

Can we help countries that have made homosexuality a criminal offense? Adultery? Criticism of the State? Is there anyone to whom we can offer support to who is not stained in some way? Canada, perhaps, but look what they did to First Nation. Or Australia and their Aborigines.

A good question and worthy of another thread. In this case I am stating that western support of Ukrainian Nazis is a bad thing. I think it is an easy decision if people don't get bogged by the details. Just remember WWII and Hitler. Nazis are bad, pretty easy conclusion.

It does look like we are aiding a country in which there may be found a minority of citizens who are similar in some ways to the Nazis. In this situation I would ask, "So what?"

I'm thinking you must have asked me that as a test. The Nazis were bad Charles, our forefathers died to stop them. We should not support them in any way, remember the Waffen SS. That's my opinion. Peace.

US foreign policy is a party of idiots.....who like beating own heads with sticks.

In Afghanistan they supported Mujahideen and they turned against the Masters

US backed Pakistan all along and most of the Taliban have shelter in North Pakistan to fight the US

In Iraq the US toppled the Sunni Saddam and now Iraqi people are more aligned with Iran

In Libya the US helped the Al-Queda backed rebels and now they are making Libya a Sharia state.

In Syria, US backed the FSA and it's offshoot named ISIS is making mess by OVERKILLING anyone non muslim

In Ukraine, US is supporting the Nazi Sectors and soon these snakes will start to bite the hand that is coddling them

If these Nazi types create more problems then Global Jews will sink the US/EU ships in a hurry.

No respect for the Idiot Politicians of the USA !!

a reply to: clay2 baraka did not you tell bogeyman killed and captured American mercenaries including blacks

originally posted by: victor7

As far as US supporting Nazis yeah heard it before as has been pointed out most of Europe is filled with Nazis including Russia but they are a minority for now. But are really gaining ground in some countries. Nazis do well in countries where there is severe economic problems thats why we see them in Greece, eastern Europe and Russia. They feed off nationalism and hatred kind of like your apparent hatred of jews. Russia is heading down a dangerous path if Putin continues his trends of supporting Nazis in Europe and Russia. I sincerely hope he doesnt create the very monster he supposedly is trying to prevent. Now as far as Nazis in Ukraine indeed they have nationalists but for now at least they still are a minority. If Ukrainian economy tanks who knows where this could lead. Problem is trying to for see the future doesnt work. Just like in other locations presidents make a judgement call on foreign policy right or wrong its there call. In this situation the US is required to respond we cant have a country using military force to take territory. In Crimea Russia just moved troops into Ukraine secured it and than said its ours now. No matter what country this happens to is wrong.

As far as supporting Ukraine Obama has tried to keep US support to a minimum despite alot of congressional support hes taking a lot of heat actually. So lets be honest Ukraine wasnt receiving serious support if it did this conflict would be over already. Though this is changing now that the separatists messed up and shot down the airliner with russian equipment Russias involvement could no longer be ignored really. Before that they were playing the game of well some Russians are going to help fight with this it showed it wasnt just Russian citizens but Russian military was supplying arms. Will Ukrainian Nazis ever pose a thret to Europe highly unlikely they will be rebuilding for the next decade at least.Im more fearful of a takeover in Russia with there economy collapsing this is a breeding ground for the nationalist parties they have made considerable gains in Russia.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Sure sure

And this must mean that the Russian government and all it's people are nazis too right?

Nobody's denying there are neo nazis in Ukraine, they're all over the world, but in a very very very tiny minority

Hope this helps

I don't see russian neo nazis in russian government, while kiev neo nazis are the ukrainian government...