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Is perpetual motion possible through the use of the sun?

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:01 PM
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What if you had a large array of solar cells that distributed high voltage and amperage to a secondary generator (motor) that also drove another motor to generate another generator and so on, would it be upping the the original source? Wouldn't this work as long as the sun generated solar energy?

Why not?

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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That isn't perpetual motion. That's just daisy-chaining solar. The further down the chain, the less you're going to gain.



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: proob4

This wouldn't be perpetual motion as it's powered by the sun which is itself emitting energy from fusion of hydrogen nuclei into helium.



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: proob4

Is that not how solar energy works anyway?



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: skunkape23

OK great way to put it, Can solar energy be daisy chained? And also Why not? The sun is at a constant power right?
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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:12 PM
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The motors are not 100% efficient you losing power every time you chain one up, you should just stick with solar directly.

If motors over 100% existed efficient we would not need the solar in the first place and you would be able to make over unity drives already. Simply spin them up to over 100% and off they all go making free power.

Sadly we have friction which always reduces motors and gears use of the power input - no exceptions.

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: Biigs Ok so it's friction right? What if this was done off world in space and used super conductors in the deep cold of space? Frictionless or zero gravity bearings?

Please keep in mind this is just a idea.
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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: proob4
a reply to: Biigs Ok so it's friction right? What if this was done off world in space and used super conductors in the deep cold of space?



It doesnt matter, its not gravity its friction that holds any moving device back - and even if it didnt you will would only be at 100% not 101%+.

Space stuff isnt perpetual anyway, they all use fuel, the point of this is the more energy you can get into (more importantly out of again) the less you need to carry. EDIT: or the more you can carry the further you can go!

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: proob4
a reply to: Biigs Ok so it's friction right? What if this was done off world in space and used super conductors in the deep cold of space?



It doesnt matter, its not gravity its friction that holds any moving device back - and even if it didnt you will would only be at 100% not 101%+.

Space stuff isnt perpetual anyway, they all use fuel, the point of this is the more energy you can get into (more importantly out of again) the less you need to carry. EDIT: or the more you can carry the further you can go!

What about my edited update about frictionless bearings in space? Would that help in the process?



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: proob4

originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: proob4
a reply to: Biigs Ok so it's friction right? What if this was done off world in space and used super conductors in the deep cold of space?



It doesnt matter, its not gravity its friction that holds any moving device back - and even if it didnt you will would only be at 100% not 101%+.

Space stuff isnt perpetual anyway, they all use fuel, the point of this is the more energy you can get into (more importantly out of again) the less you need to carry. EDIT: or the more you can carry the further you can go!

What about my edited update about frictionless bearings in space? Would that help in the process?
I am really just wondering here, that's all.



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: proob4

Im talking about generating energy and motion from a device, the ship actually moving through space has very little friction if any.

Now if you could produce an exponential amount of energy from a drive or fuel - you will have to move, an ion drive would be slow and steady.

There are no devices to generate more energy over time than they take to "spin up" - but technically yes, if could control the amount of energy you produce while using no less than 100% production - and ion drive would get anywhere eventually (as a poor example).

But if it stopped and you no had "starter device" using a fuel to get it to spin up again, you would be stuck in space.



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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A wheel turning is subject to the amount of weight it has to lift at the 6 to 12 o'clock. If you used stationary focused magnets at positions to offset the gravity pull then you could be harnessing the magnetic force in a way that seems perpetual. It is not because magnets don't last forever.



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
A wheel turning is subject to the amount of weight it has to lift at the 6 to 12 o'clock. If you used stationary focused magnets at positions to offset the gravity pull then you could be harnessing the magnetic force in a way that seems perpetual. It is not because magnets don't last forever.

But in space would't the poles be different? Is there magnetic poles in space if not deep space? Would electric motors even work in space?



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: Biigs

That's very interesting and thanks.



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: proob4

originally posted by: deadeyedick
A wheel turning is subject to the amount of weight it has to lift at the 6 to 12 o'clock. If you used stationary focused magnets at positions to offset the gravity pull then you could be harnessing the magnetic force in a way that seems perpetual. It is not because magnets don't last forever.

But in space would't the poles be different? Is there magnetic poles in space if not deep space? Would electric motors even work in space?


Poles on magnetic (fixed or electromagnet) electric motor will work regardless of the earths magnetic field - they are not related - only compass cares.

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: proob4

originally posted by: deadeyedick
A wheel turning is subject to the amount of weight it has to lift at the 6 to 12 o'clock. If you used stationary focused magnets at positions to offset the gravity pull then you could be harnessing the magnetic force in a way that seems perpetual. It is not because magnets don't last forever.

But in space would't the poles be different? Is there magnetic poles in space if not deep space? Would electric motors even work in space?


Poles on magnetic (fixed or electromagnet) motor will work regardless of the earths magnetic field - they are not related - only compass cares.
Oops that's right.



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: proob4 I'm not sure cause i never remember much when i go to space.




posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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Ok so can a laser be possibly be magnetized? If so well could you not polarize the beam and create a engine that could draw the properly charged pole towards a beam set forth far far away?
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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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Think it this way: electric motors use permanent magnets wrapped in wire to make them electromagnets, and than have them go N S N S N S and so on round a a spindle with just normal magnets fixed to it - the motor works by switching the poles constantly to make a perm attraction and so off it goes.

Generators work the same just backwards essentially, you spin the spindle manually and get current out of the wires. So even if it was a perfect conversion - its a game of tug of war between to equal sides.

Believe me they tryed super cooling the magnets, using all kinda of metals known to man, floating baring to reduce friction - it wont happen here or in space.

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: Biigs

I worked in electrical motors for years. Did some prototype work for Williams international in michigan. I know a little about electric motors. Just had this idea.





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