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Janet Audio July 2014

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posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 03:02 PM
Since ATS has many forums and some readers that don't follow Area 51 (but post here anyway), "Janet" is the callsign of planes that go to Groom Lake and the Tonopah Test Range. If you need more info, search the internet. (This should prevent thread hijacking.)

I got a new scanner that records audio directly to an internal SDHC card. Previously I set up a "Zoom" SDHC recorder on an audio tap to a scanner. The new scanner makes a number of short wav files, one for each received transmission, so I need to set up a scheme to make them easier to play. That is TBD, and the linked audio will go in this thread. [I can do this with a m3u playlist, but I need to hide the meta data that reveals the frequencies.]

For this particular "recording session", I scanned the unpublished Groom Lake frequencies plus a few standard aviation frequencies such as 121.5MHz. The frequency 121.5MHz is supposed to be for emergencies, but it is not uncommon for pilots to do a quick chat on it. This clip is of a Janet on 121.5MHz.


This is my interpretation of the audio:

"Reno radio Janet 435 dot five thirty

The transmission sounds as if the pilot were doing it in the blind. [Transmissions in the blind are made without establishing contract with the intended listener. Basically, you announce that here I am and these are my intentions.] Since the transmission starts with "Reno radio", possibly the pilot wanted to transmit on 122.1, not 121.5. [Hey, people make mistakes, and this one isn't a fatal pilot error.]

The file naming format of the scanner is date_time, so this recording was made on 7/24/2014 (US nomenclature) at 7:09:42AM. If you are a subscriber to flightaware, you can go back and see that Janet 435 was a flight to the Tonopah Test Range, and was in the air at the time. You need to search for WWW435. Here is the flight track log:

Time Position Orientation Groundspeed Altitude Reporting Facility
01:56PM 36.0703 -115.1808 275° West 149 171 3,200 Level Los Angeles Center
01:57PM 36.0747 -115.2486 275° West 198 228 5,100 2,160 Climbing Los Angeles Center
01:58PM 36.0836 -115.3403 277° West 276 318 7,800 2,580 Climbing Los Angeles Center
01:59PM 36.1528 -115.4025 324° Northwest 309 356 10,500 2,220 Climbing Los Angeles Center
02:00PM 36.2453 -115.4792 326° Northwest 381 438 12,400 2,220 Climbing Los Angeles Center
02:01PM 36.3078 -115.5661 312° West 372 428 15,100 2,700 Climbing Los Angeles Center
02:02PM 36.3764 -115.6881 305° West 391 450 18,000 2,340 Climbing Los Angeles Center
02:03PM 36.4417 -115.8042 305° West 404 465 20,000 960 Climbing Los Angeles Center
02:04PM 36.5172 -115.9406 305° West 414 476 20,000 Level Los Angeles Center
02:05PM 36.5842 -116.0442 309° West 415 478 20,000 Level Los Angeles Center
02:06PM 36.6900 -116.1128 333° Northwest 425 489 20,000 Level Los Angeles Center
02:07PM 36.7950 -116.1781 334° Northwest 425 489 20,000 Level Los Angeles Center
02:08PM 36.9219 -116.2533 335° Northwest 422 486 20,000 -300 Level Los Angeles Center
02:09PM 37.0239 -116.3189 333° Northwest 413 475 19,500 -1,200 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:10PM 37.1189 -116.3794 333° Northwest 387 445 17,500 -2,700 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:11PM 37.2153 -116.4442 332° Northwest 388 447 13,900 -3,360 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:12PM 37.3175 -116.5072 334° Northwest 402 463 10,600 -2,040 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:13PM 37.4117 -116.5675 333° Northwest 381 438 9,800 -540 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:14PM 37.5050 -116.6264 333° Northwest 316 364 9,600 -540 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:15PM 37.5822 -116.6689 336° Northwest 307 353 8,800 -780 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:16PM 37.6519 -116.7078 336° Northwest 286 329 8,100 -840 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:17PM 37.7103 -116.7358 339° North 245 282 7,100 -960 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:18PM 37.7561 -116.7597 338° Northwest 206 237 6,100 -900 Descending Los Angeles Center
02:19PM 37.7931 -116.7803 336° Northwest 171 197 5,300 -780 Descending Los Angeles Center

The time is listed at UTC (with a PM!), so add 12 to make it the usual 24 hour UTC format then subject 7 to get local time, and thus the time corresponding to 7:09AM local is 2:09PM UTC. That puts the plane at 37.0239 -116.3189 and it has begun descent.

This flight, given the early hour, goes over the Nevada Test Site and the Nevada Test and Training Range, rather than flying normal civilian routes. Thus this transmission in the blind may be intended as an announcement to other aircraft on the range that a large 737 is flying around.

Here is the flight route. Note all Janet (i.e. WWW) flights list KTNX (Tonopah Test Range) as their destination, though about half the flights land at Groom Lake instead. But if the route includes KTPH (Tonopah Civilian Airport), it is a flight that actually goes to the Tonopah Test Range.

Flight route:
Name Latitude Longitude Distance from origin Distance from destination Type
KLAS 36.0800556 -115.1522500 0 149 Origin Airport MCCRN3.LAS 36.0800556 -115.1522500 0 149 Airport (NAVAID) FIDOE 36.2698444 -115.4991250 23 127 Waypoint (RNAV) JAYSN 36.5737444 -116.0407278 60 94 Waypoint (RNAV) CENIT 36.6838889 -116.4419444 83 79 Waypoint (RNAV) LEAHI 37.4827778 -117.2491667 151 34 Waypoint (RNAV) KICHI 37.9666667 -117.1833333 172 25 Waypoint (RNAV) TPH 38.0305556 -117.0336111 170 21 VOR-TAC (NAVAID) KTNX 37.7988694 -116.7807333 149 0 Destination Airport

When I get the rest of the audio uploaded, you will hear not only a female air traffic controller, but also a female 737 pilot. Now it wasn't too hard to figure out who she is since there are not many women with this skill set living in the Vegas area, but please don't reveal her name on the internet.

posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 04:33 PM
a reply to: gariac

Everyone knows Groom Lake is still an active base being used to develop.
Did I miss something in the post or is this just about your ability to grab the transmissions they send?

Either way, it is a very lucrative skill to learn, especially if you are living in that general area and don't get caught.
One can only wonder what other transmissions one could reveal, if someone chose to dig around a little in the southwest area of the US. . .
edit on 8/10/2014 by AnteBellum because: add

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 02:39 AM
a reply to: AnteBellum

Everyone knows Groom Lake is still an active base being used to develop.

I wish everyone thought Groom Lake is still active.

What you missed is the operation on 121.5MHz, not a Groom or TTR frequency.

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 10:11 AM
a reply to: gariac

I'm sorry, most of this post went way over my head. I have very limited radio experience, though I do need to use it from time to time but not so much anymore.

What you missed is the operation on 121.5MHz, not a Groom or TTR frequency.

What does that mean to you?

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 10:34 AM
a reply to: AnteBellum

121.5 is known as GUARD (at least it was). It's used for emergency transmissions, like if a pilot crashes and has a survival radio, it will broadcast on that frequency.
edit on 8/11/2014 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 10:50 AM
a reply to: Zaphod58

My dad taught me how to fly years ago and I vaguely remember most of it. The hardest part to me at the time was understanding the radios and how to set everything up the right way. My interest level went to about 2% on that part, but I miss flying soooo much now, even if it's restricted heavily here in NJ.

ATS Link

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 10:56 AM
a reply to: AnteBellum

Great pictures. Cessna 172? Or one of the similar models anyway.

I miss it too, and am trying to get back into the industry at least if not actually flying.

posted on Aug, 11 2014 @ 11:09 AM
a reply to: Zaphod58

He had a 2 Cessna's (one was a 206) & a Piper.
It's so expensive of a hobby, I'll have to wait until my kids grow up before I consider getting into it again.

Sorry, got to scoot out!

posted on Aug, 12 2014 @ 12:23 AM
a reply to: Zaphod58

Guard has become a defacto CTAF (common traffic advisory frequency), mostly because the FSS are so remote control these days. Besides the other pilots in the area may not be on the Flight Service frequency, but they all monitor guard. Flight service monitors 121.5, so technically you can talk to them on the frequency, but I don't know if they will do much other than direct you to use the correct FSS frequency if you don't have an emergency.

I got a private email suggesting this might be JAM435 rather tan Janet. And when I reviewed the audio, it sounded more like Jan-ah. But these pilots speak so fast that without context (i.e. having the flight plans in front of you), it is often hard to tell what they are saying.

But the fact a Janet was in the air at the time with the right number leads me to believe this was WWW435. The only other callsign that is similar sounding is Jena, which the FBI uses.

posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 03:37 AM
Someone with better aviation ears than me believes the the last words are "radio check". There is a Reno Radio on 122.5, and the pilot entered 121.5. A one digit mistake. But 122.5 would be used further north than the location that corresponds to the time. And it really sounds like three one dot five. Since all VHF comms start with a "one", often pilots will skip saying the "one."

I now think the audio is "Reno Radio Janet four thirty-five three one dot five radio check."

But I don't see a 131.5 for Reno Radio.

posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 12:55 AM
Groom Lake July 2014 audio

This is the audio from the morning of 7/24/2014. On my phone, it plays fine, but doesn't display the meta-data. If you have VLC (videolan), input the file as a stream. VLC will display the meta-data and play the file.

posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 03:12 AM
a reply to: gariac

audio file zipped up

Save the file, unzip it, then play the groom.m3u file. This will get around having the browser interpret the m3u file.

posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:29 AM
a reply to: gariac

I've attempted to DL a few times a day for the past couple of days and I get a nice "No data received" error. Is it just me?

posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:26 PM

originally posted by: HumanOnEarth
a reply to: gariac

I've attempted to DL a few times a day for the past couple of days and I get a nice "No data received" error. Is it just me?

I downloaded the zip file and it works just fine. If you are trying to use the stream, do it with VLC if you expect to read the meta data. In fact, I had some players chop off the audio on the very short clips, of which there are many.

If you had choppy audio, I'd blame the server. It isn't like I pay for Akami distribution. [And in return, you have no adverts to endure.] But if you get no data at all, that sounds like a problem on your end.


BTW, I put some Red Flag audio on the server.
Red Flag playlist

Red Flag frequencies (pdf)

Everything on a zip file
edit on 16-9-2014 by gariac because: (no reason given)

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