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originally posted by: SonoftheSun
a reply to: FlyersFan
So strange to read your story. I've written about past life recollections before on ATS but one that I have never shared was a death, not exactly sure which country, WW2, in Europe. By mortar. I saw friends fall first, then I. The big difference with this one compared to other ones was that through the horror of it all, my body lying there, missing limbs, about to die, I felt complete silence and serenity. No fear.
Sorry for the off topic post, Jesuslives4u. Just had to let this one out of my system..
Back to the regular programming..
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
So tell me why do you believe in reincarnation?
I don't necessarily believe in reincarnation. But I think just about anything is possible. We don't fully understand the natural world, or even what life is all about. So for us to try and quantify and qualify "life" using the particular subset or paradigm (the "Abrahamic" religions) is asinine and displays backwards thinking.
Your thread's premise is based entirely upon your interpretation of your beliefs which are based upon written words from stories of a "god" that were passed on through oral tradition before being written down years later by men. Whilst I can understand the steadfast and literal beliefs you may have, I cannot, in MY opinion, assign any validity to them as the basis of your argument.
Further, can you please supply a link to the story/article referenced?
So my question is very simple. To those of us that believe in a physical resurrection....... which one comes back at the resurrection? Does Sally come back or David? Only one person can come back so which one is it? Sally or David? Two bodies claiming to have the same spirit... over two life times however both bodies can not be resurrected with the same spirit.
I understand there are many who believe that at time of death it is all over. Silence, .....sleeping whatever. BUT then Sally says something like above. So without getting religious ...... Sally has proved (like thousands of others who have had similar experiences) have and did DEBUNK those who believe at time of death there is nothing. So for those hard liners out there Sally has basically proven that there is life after death otherwise where did the memories come from? Right. HOWEVER Sally thinks she lived those past experiences when in reality she was shown these memories. I will expand on this a little in this thread however it is a different topic I will discuss in an upcoming thread.
So the human spirit is unique to each human - individually made for that person - otherwise we would all feel the same, think the same, speak the same language possibly (we did at one time) and react the same to each situation.
Nowhere within the Abrahamic religions does it show us that our spirits are recycled as some believe and it does not make sense does it? We are all held accountable for our actions both in this world and in the spiritual world. Most of us know right from wrong - thou there are those who refuse or better yet know but do not accept what is right or wrong - mans pride and arrogance.
To make things worse there are those who do not believe in NDE'S but yet believe the human spirits are recycled for new experiences etc....
So tell me why do you believe in reincarnation?
Have any idea how this could come about, Klassified?
John 8:58 "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: Wanderer777
a reply to: ArtemisE
Actually I was faith healed. So a bit more than warm and fuzzies.
The placebo effect much???
I think the faith healing parents who have watched their children die rather then give them antibiotics would disagree.
For something to be proof it has to be repeatable. I doubt your willing to shoot yourself in the stomach and try faith healing again...
Funny how no one try's faith healing instead of stitches or a skull fracture. Has prayer ever reset a broken arm? Nope.
People only try it when your immune system is the real hero.
Like you said - everyone is entitled their own views and I agree. Butwhen peoples view consist of buddhism practices which is nothing more than a single man's point of view and not spiritual.
A rich man is one with knowledge, happiness and his health
My mind had dealt with the books of Zen, Tao the lessons
Koran and the Bible, to me they all vital
And got truth within 'em, gotta read them boys
You just can't skim 'em, different branches of belief
But one root that stem 'em, but people of the venom try to trim 'em
And use religion as an emblem
When it should be a natural way of life
Who am I or they to say to whom you pray ain't right
That's who got you doin right and got you this far
Whether you say "in Jesus name" or Hum do Allah
Long as you know it's a bein' that's supreme to you
You let that show towards others in the things you do
You're making an assumption based on "abrahamic" beliefs. Their is no multiple personality disorder among reincarnationists. The lives lived in each shell(human body) are not the essence of the spirit. An actor is not the roles he/she plays. Neither is your spirit an exact copy of the life you are living now.
Sally hasn't really proven anything, has she? She has given strong evidence that something is going on, but the immediate leap to reincarnation, and/or familiar spirits(demons) whispering in her ear, are both assumptions. Though reincarnation definitely has an edge over demons.
originally posted by: Mister_Bit
a reply to: Jesuslives4u
I think you would enjoy reading books by Michael Newton called "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls".
In a nutshell, over many years of past life regression therapy and getting similar stories from tens of thousands of people from different races, countries, backgrounds, sexes, religions.. they all esentially give the same description of their "spirit lives"
As for your question about which soul comes back, is it Sally or David? The answer is neither... Lets, for arguments sake call the spirit of Sally and David, "Spirit A"
Spirit A will come back to learn different spiritual lessons whilst inhabiting the physical body of Sally, David, William, Helen, Mark... They are all the one spirit, in different physical bodies.