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originally posted by: Wanderer777
a reply to: flammadraco
If you don't like preachy sermon posts then don't read them. By this statement you made we should take the politics forums away because no one agrees on politics either. So what if people want to express their religious beliefs. Or we could take away the first amendment so it suits people here that aren't religious.
originally posted by: Wanderer777
originally posted by: flammadraco
Slightly off topic, but Jesuslives4u may I draw your attention to your previous thread;
GOOD NEWS ATS - No longer will I make religious threads.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
What happened?
Also you said you came across this thread on the live feed and wanted to share your opinions, but the first thing you did was attack Jesuslives4u. Then jump on the wagon of calling religion is a hoax. You didn't have a single care about sharing your opinions on reincarnation from what it seems.
I personally do not believe in reincarnation. But I'm not going to stop someone who does.
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
originally posted by: Jefferton
Religion is a hoax!
Carry on.
Maybe ...... but God is not a hoax.
originally posted by: flammadraco
originally posted by: Wanderer777
originally posted by: flammadraco
Slightly off topic, but Jesuslives4u may I draw your attention to your previous thread;
GOOD NEWS ATS - No longer will I make religious threads.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
What happened?
Also you said you came across this thread on the live feed and wanted to share your opinions, but the first thing you did was attack Jesuslives4u. Then jump on the wagon of calling religion is a hoax. You didn't have a single care about sharing your opinions on reincarnation from what it seems.
I personally do not believe in reincarnation. But I'm not going to stop someone who does.
You must be tired, as you now seem to be getting a little "bolshie".
First off I wanted to see what other threads the OP had posted as I found the title of this thread offensive and low and behold I noted that the OP had made several other silly threads, one of which ended up as a "Hoax". Tells me a lot about the person. This was not an attack, this was an observation that the OP had informed other ATS members that he would no longer create "Religious Threads" and yet continued to do so. As a good Christian surely the commandment "thou shalt not lie" would be appropriate here???
Secondly I was not the first person to call religion a hoax, I did however agree with the User that did. And discussing reincarnation on here was not the issue with me, the issue was he called it a hoax and as such belittled other peoples beliefs including my own as he believed his religious dogma superseded everyone else's belief systems.
Seems to me that when the tables are turned some folk don't like being challenged. Pretty sure theirs a line in your holy book that says "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Perhaps if a little more credence was given to more of the bibles scriptures, we would not be having this conversation.
If both you and the OP have been upset by people saying relgion is a hoax, then perhaps the OP should not have thrown stones in glass houses!
originally posted by: Wanderer777
a reply to: flammadraco
Ya never said why you think he's wrong. Or discussed it. You attacked all religion. You can try all you want to defend yourself but you just keep contradicting yourself.
Yes politics change all the time but why do we still hear stuff about leaders 50 to 60 years ago and have arguments about them? There's really not much of a difference between religion discussions and politics discussions.
originally posted by: Wanderer777
a reply to: flammadraco
Ya never said why you think he's wrong. Or discussed it. You attacked all religion. You can try all you want to defend yourself but you just keep contradicting yourself.
Yes politics change all the time but why do we still hear stuff about leaders 50 to 60 years ago and have arguments about them? There's really not much of a difference between religion discussions and politics discussions.
originally posted by: flammadraco
originally posted by: Wanderer777
a reply to: flammadraco
Ya never said why you think he's wrong. Or discussed it. You attacked all religion. You can try all you want to defend yourself but you just keep contradicting yourself.
Where have I contradicted myself? do you know what Deism is? Whilst I do not believe in organised religion due to the fact that there are so many beliefs, does not mean that I approve when the OP is attacking the central belief system of other peoples religious beliefs, BTW most of these other religions have been around a lot longer than Christianity
Yes politics change all the time but why do we still hear stuff about leaders 50 to 60 years ago and have arguments about them? There's really not much of a difference between religion discussions and politics discussions.
No idea but perhaps next time you see a thread discussing leaders from 50 years ago, you can ask the poster. There's a huge difference between politics and religion and if you cannot see that then I do not have the time to give you the differences.
originally posted by: Wanderer777
For one I used to be Deist. Enough said.
Two. I said not much differences between religion DISCUSSIONS and political DISCUSSIONS.
You must be tired.
originally posted by: SyxPak
a reply to: Jesuslives4u
"- two people (two separate beings) who allegedly had the same spirit. This is impossible."
I know I am not fully awake yet, but help me here. How can you state this as Fact?
The two beings of which You mentioned were not alive Physically at the same time. Why could they NOT share the same Spirit?
Just seeking some clarification. Syx.
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
To those of us that believe in a physical resurrection....... which one comes back at the resurrection?
So tell me why do you believe in reincarnation?
originally posted by: daaskapital
a reply to: Jesuslives4u
It seems to me that you are trying to disprove the existence of reincarnation, through relying on Abrahamic religions and your own personal opinion on the matter.
Sorry, but just because your religion doesn't espouse reincarnation, doesn't mean that it is a hoax.
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
originally posted by: solargeddon
a reply to: Jesuslives4u
You have this all round your ankles...it is neither David nor Sally, but the soul who has come back, the name is just a name, an assigned identity in order to differentiate between people within a given lifetime, it is still the same soul.
I personally take umbridge with you using the term "hoax" as this implies something is proven to be false, it is not.
You may not agree with the premise of reincarnation, but that doesn't mean it isn't real, it just means it makes no sense to you.
Equally there is no definitive proof of reincarnation, but your reasoning is flawed as, you are saying only one of those names could come back, forgetting that in reincarnation terms, it is the soul, not the name.
In conclusion reincarnation is like belief in God and religion....you either believe or you don't.
Thank you for your reply. A very well thought out reply! But I don't think you understood me thought - I put names to the individuals as a point to make - two people (two separate beings) who allegedly had the same spirit. This is impossible.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
I don't believe in the physical resurrection myself, but I think it's possible that we each have one "main" soul that splinters off into multiple souls, all of which could come back in different separate identities. I once read about the woman who channeled someone called Seth, and Seth explained that each of our separate identities that reincarnated were part of one larger, "higher soul", that is our main identity. He said that the separate identities retain all the knowledge of their separate lives and personalities, even as they return to the higher soul (after they die). Each time the higher soul wants to come back and experience more, it just splinters off another piece of itself to come back as a new identity.
So, if this were true, and IF the physical resurrection was also true, couldn't it be possible that both David AND Sally would come back?
originally posted by: Jennyfrenzy
a reply to: Jesuslives4u
Reincarnation is not a hoax just because you don't believe in it. Reincarnation is one of the many afterlife beliefs in different metaphysical models. Another example of a metaphysical model of an afterlife would be heaven.
I had a Near Death Experience in 2003, there was no contradictions about it. Nor was my Near Death Experience meant to confuse anybody about "the truth." It was a personal event that happened to me that has no impact on other people's spiritual, religious or afterlife beliefs.
I believe in reincarnation as a 49 day process.
49 (days) being the estimated time it takes for the spirit to be reborn again into a new life. Some spirits are reborn 3 days, 21 days, 49 days or 100 days after death, and in some cases even 7 years.
The 49 day process of reincarnation would make your argument of NDE being a contradiction that is meant to confuse the truth invalid.
Everyone is entitled to the own views on the afterlife.
originally posted by: SyxPak
a reply to: Jesuslives4u
"- two people (two separate beings) who allegedly had the same spirit. This is impossible."
I know I am not fully awake yet, but help me here. How can you state this as Fact?
The two beings of which You mentioned were not alive Physically at the same time. Why could they NOT share the same Spirit?
Just seeking some clarification. Syx.