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Ebola: Facts, Opinions, and Speculations.

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posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 09:34 AM
Ebola-hit Liberia cancels nationwide election

No surprise considering it is estimated that 1 in 500 has it now in Liberia.
And it is killing more than the malaria and lower respiratory infections combined per week now.
The 2 previous biggest killers in Liberia.

posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 11:15 AM
a reply to: joho99

I admit I did not go through and read all 30 pages of this thread so please ignore if this has already been shared.

I found the following while tooling around at CDC.GOV

Estimating the Future Number of Cases in the Ebola Epidemic - Liberia and Sierra Leone

If trends continue without additional interventions, the model estimates that Liberia and Sierra Leone will have approximately 8,000 total Ebola cases (21,000 total cases when corrected for underreporting) by September 30, 2014 (Figure 1). Liberia will account for approximately 6,000 cases (16,000 corrected for underreporting) (Appendix [Figure 1]). Total cases in the two countries combined are doubling approximately every 20 days (Figure 1). Cases in Liberia are doubling every 15–20 days, and those in Sierra Leone are doubling every 30–40 days (Appendix [Figure 1]).

By September 30, 2014, without additional interventions and using the described likelihood of going to an ETU, approximately 670 daily beds in use (1,700 corrected for underreporting) will be needed in Liberia and Sierra Leone (Figure 2). Extrapolating trends to January 20, 2015, without additional interventions or changes in community behavior (e.g., notable reductions in unsafe burial practices), the model also estimates that Liberia and Sierra Leone will have approximately 550,000 Ebola cases (1.4 million when corrected for underreporting) (Appendix [Figure 2]).

In light of this report's predicitions, our sending troops over to Liberia makes perfect sense. Seems like someone is finally understanding that this at the point where we can't drag our feet in the sand any longer.

posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 11:16 AM
a reply to: joho99

I posted a link in another thread that if it is not contained by external sources (E.G. UN Forces control population movement) they will see a 60-70% population reduction in West African nations.

Even though I have been a firm non alarmist about it spreading in modernized countries, and still am not very worried even though some cases have made it out of West Africa, my heart tugs for those in these poor countries. The world is failing. They have been failing for decades on all things related to these 3rd world countries, but now they are SERIOUSLY failing.

posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 11:52 AM
a reply to: raymundoko

I have always thought we could slow it down in modern country's till sheer numbers from Africa overwhelmed us or we developed a vaccine.
But Spain has made me reconsider this.
Austerity seems to have made it a weak link for Europe.
And Italy and Greece will be far weaker links than Spain.
We need to reinforce the chinks in the armor so it can not get a foothold.

edit on 9-10-2014 by joho99 because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 12:03 PM
a reply to: QuietSpeech

It probably is but it never hurts because new people join and they do not want to read 30 pages to

posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 05:11 PM
Ebola Death Toll Rises to 4,033: World Health Organization

The number of people known to have died amid the worst Ebola outbreak on record has topped 4,000, the World Health Organization said Friday. The Geneva-based United Nations agency said the virus had killed 4,033 people out of 8,399 cases over seven months in seven countries by Oct. 8.

The death toll includes 2,316 in Liberia, 930 in Sierra Leone, 778 in Guinea, eight in Nigeria — and one in the United States. A separate Ebola outbreak in Democratic Republic of Congo has killed 43 people out of 71 cases. Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, died Wednesday in Dallas.

posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 08:33 PM
a reply to: ~Lucidity

I've updated the Ebola charts with this latest data from WHO:

Latest Ebola Charts Update

posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 08:36 PM
a reply to: ~Lucidity

And yet, the director of the CDC doesn't want to close off international flights from Africa.

Controlling this will take drastic measures. We are acting a bit too late. The latest reports are RO 1.5-2.0, aren't they?

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 07:57 AM
a reply to: ikonoklast

You might be interested in this if you haven't already seen it...even though there's probably nothing in it you don't already know.

The ominous math of the Ebola epidemic

The number of Ebola cases in West Africa has been doubling about every three weeks. There is little evidence so far that the epidemic is losing momentum.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 08:15 AM
I'm furious with the non action to restrict travel to/from those nations.

a reply to: Druid42

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 08:42 AM
NYC is sending actors in to hospitals claiming to have Ebola to gauge response.
NYC actors

There are actors going to other hospitals around the US that we don't know about. They're never going to name or announce the actors. The news will still report them as if they're real cases. That way they can make no mention of the actual suspected/confirmed cases and people won't question it. Everyone will just think we're actually doing a good job of keeping it out of the US and believe they're all negitive.

They lied about Duncan's time of death to make it seem like they tried to save him but really, they let him die on purpose. As a way to deter other people who have come in contact with the virus from coming to the US for treatment.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 09:18 AM
I just posted tis on a new Ebola thread but it's appropriate here as well.

Airbourne, not aibourne, direct contact, non direct contact, asymptomatic, symptomatic, mutated, unmutated. At this point, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE (appropriate now?)? We know CDC doesn't know a heck of a lot and WHO not much more. We know it's damn contagious and no one is safe. At this point, people need to make up their own minds based on what has happened, not only by what we've been told by MSM and their cohorts. After all, we are the DENY IGNORANCE people!
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posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 12:53 AM
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Thanks. Yes, this is where it is headed if it continues to grow at it's current rate with nothing changing that:

More on this in this post in the Ebola Charts thread...

Two weeks ago, I was much more optimistic that wouldn't happen. After what I've seen happening in Dallas, Madrid, and other places, I thought I should finally run the projections out further and see how much time we really have if this continues at the current rate until it becomes a worst case scenario. And the answer is: not very much time at all.

posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 02:13 AM
We've been hearing lots of things from health authorities along the lines of someone not being tested for Ebola and instead being sent home because they did not have certain symptoms of Ebola and therefore Ebola was ruled out.

I think this is dangerous! It can result in people being sent home with Ebola because they didn't have some common symptom, and that can result in an epidemic spreading.

I saw this table of symptoms in the New England Journal of Medicine and thought it was worth repeating. This was published by the WHO Ebola Response Team and the percentages are from the current outbreak in Africa. I did flip all of the percentages except for one from what percentage of people do have a certain symptom to what percentage don't. I think it makes it more obvious how many cases might be missed because someone doesn't have a particular symptom.

12.9% did not have a fever (11.8% of those who died did not) - About 1 in 8 do NOT have a fever!

23.6% did not feel fatigue (23.6% of those who died did not) - About 1 out of 4 do NOT feel fatigue!

32.4% did not vomit (30.6% of those who died did not) - About 1 out of 3 do NOT vomit!

34.4% did not have diarrhea (31.7% of those who died did not) - Anout 1 out of 3 do NOT have diarrhea!

In addition:

35.5% did not have loss of appetite (36% of those who died did not)

46.6% did not have a headache (46.2% of those who died did not)

55.7% did not have abdominal pain (56.5% of those who died did not)

60.6% did not have joint pain (59.3% of those who died did not

61.1% did not have muscle pain (59.8% of those who died did not)

63.0% did not have chest pain (59.8% of those who died did not

79.2% did not have conjunctivitis (red Ebola eyes) (76.4% of those who died did not)

82.0% did not have unexplained bleeding (79.8% of those who died did not)

92.3% did not have eye pain (91.1% of those who died did not)

This is the one percentage I didn't flip. When someone tells you that Ebola patients do not cough or sneeze so you won't catch it from droplets aerosolized in the air from an Ebola patient coughing, you can now cite this statistic:

29.6% of Ebola patients DO cough. And 32.5% of people who died from Ebola did cough. So about 1 out of 3 cough.

There is much more, including an expanded table of these symptoms here:

SOURCE: NEJM - Ebola Virus Disease in West Africa — The First 9 Months of the Epidemic and Forward Projections

posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 08:28 AM
a reply to: ikonoklast

Whoever said they don't cough or sneeze? Even the CDC says they can cough or sneeze. Everyone coughs and sneezes every now and then...

The coughing/sneezing however is not caused by ebola as Ebola does not effect the respiratory system. It's a secondary infection that usually brings on those symptoms, caused by a weakened immune system.

That is why there is a recommended 6 foot safe zone around a patient, to prevent droplet transmission.

posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 04:48 PM

I would like to request that any further discussion relative to pre-symptomatic transmission to the Ebola: Facts, Opinions, and Speculations. thread; I will post there and link sourced documents supportive of my stance.

As per the ,above post:

Yet the largest study of the current outbreak found that in nearly 13% of "confirmed and probable" cases in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and elsewhere, those infected did not have fevers.

The study, sponsored by the World Health Organization and published online late last month by the New England Journal of Medicine, analyzed data on 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola.

Ebola research: Fever not a surefire sign of infection

There has been a quite heated discussion on my thread, Ebola, inside information, regarding the possibility of Ebola being transmissible prior to onset of symptoms. Everything the CDC and all other wold health authorities says that the ONLY time Ebola is transmissible is once symptoms appear.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is helping to shape the U.S. response to Ebola as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked by a CNN interviewer on Oct. 4 whether a person could be "contagious without having a fever."

Fauci replied that "the answer to that is no."

He continued: "You never say 100% but it's essentially 100%. … In biology nothing is 100%, but that's quite a reasonable conclusion to make."

The 'official story' is that Ebola is not transmissible prior to onset of symptoms.

Source is a relative who is a nurse (has been for a long time, and is well versed in this virus in particular) and is a patient in one of the few hospitals in the country that does have the facilities to deal with this virus.

As one can imagine, this topic is on many lips in the hospital.

It is this person's opinion that the virus is, and has been, transmissible prior to onset of symptoms.

That is the bigges lie we are being told.

This post

More from the linked article:

The official assumptions about the frequency of fever in Ebola patients have not been challenged publicly. But Dr. Paul D. Stolley, former chairman of the University of Maryland's Department of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine, said the matter "requires further investigation."

Given the stakes, he said, the "absolute" assumption that Ebola can be spread only when an infected person displays fever should be reevaluated.

"It may be true," said Stolley, a member of the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academies. "It just doesn't sound very plausible to me."

Is the idea that Ebola can be transmitted prior to symptoms worth considering as having merit?

Dr. Nick Zwinkels, a Dutch physician, last month closed a hospital he had been running with a colleague in central Sierra Leone after five nursing aides contracted Ebola — possibly from unprotected contact with three patients who were not promptly diagnosed with the virus.

Based on what his staff observed, Zwinkels wrote, "it seems that only measuring the temperature as a form of triage is insufficient."

He added: "It seems that Ebola can present without fever especially in the first phase."

What say you, ATS?


I posted this before I read ikonoklast's post, so the study mentioned in my news article is the one ikon linked.
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posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 05:49 PM
a reply to: ripcontrol

I am adding the ling here

Firestone Did What Governments Have Not: Stopped Ebola In Its Tracks

The classic slogan for Firestone tires was "where the rubber meets the road."

When it comes to Ebola, the rubber met the road at the Firestone rubber plantation in Harbel, Liberia.

Harbel is a company town not far from the capital city of Monrovia. It was named in 1926 after the founder of the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company, Harvey and his wife, Idabelle. Today, Firestone workers and their families make up a community of 80,000 people across the plantation.

Firestone detected its first Ebola case on March 30, when an employee's wife arrived from northern Liberia. She'd been caring for a disease-stricken woman and was herself diagnosed with the disease. Since then Firestone has done a remarkable job of keeping the virus at bay. It built its own treatment center and set up a comprehensive response that's managed to quickly stop transmission. Dr. Brendan Flannery, the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's team in Liberia, has hailed Firestone's efforts as resourceful, innovative and effective.

The reason is that is it not odd that the company has stopped it to a degree in its area...

Now my GF also found this but did not want to repeat a post she said was her..

I am posting it

Executive Order 13295: Revised List Of Quarantinable Communicable Diseasesl

Executive Order 13295 was amendedExternal Web Site Icon on July 31, 2014. Subsection (b) was replaced with the following:
"(b) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza."

Also to keep in mind from the same page

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release
April 4, 2003
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 264(b)), it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the "Secretary"), in consultation with the Surgeon General, and for the purpose of specifying certain communicable diseases for regulations providing for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of suspected communicable diseases, the following communicable diseases are hereby specified pursuant to section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act:

(a) Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers (Lassa, Marburg, Ebola, Crimean-Congo, South American, and others not yet isolated or named).

(b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public health consequences.

Sec. 2. The Secretary, in the Secretary's discretion, shall determine whether a particular condition constitutes a communicable disease of the type specified in section 1 of this order.

Sec. 3. The functions of the President under sections 362 and 364(a) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 265 and 267(a)) are assigned to the Secretary.

Sec. 4. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit enforceable at law or equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 5. Executive Order 12452 of December 22, 1983, is hereby revoked.

George W. Bush
The White House,
April 4, 2003.

I bolded the part

It makes the issue very interesting...

posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 05:53 PM
something on the news about boston patient showing signs


I am sure a thread is already being created here

Patient with Ebola symptoms transferred to Boston hospital

its the baintree one
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Man with Ebola-like symptoms isolated outside Braintree hospital - Massachusetts

Again it seems from Liberia
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posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 06:26 PM
a reply to: ikonoklast

No warm fuzzies there.

Thanks for the information.

posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 06:33 PM
Terrorists and serial killers have been presented with a unique opportunity:
To spread a disease where the vector is still unknown and there is no treatment. This chance can be abused by anyone who has an agenda against the Western people. It just takes a madman who, after reaching for his gun - thinks - "maybe I'll pay a visit to Liberia first".

I cannot be the only one to acknowledge this possibility can I?

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