Doctors Begin To Refuse Obamacare Patients

a reply to: BritofTexas

So, now you want Obama to force Doctors to take patients? How? Executive Action?

WOW! You guys really need to make up your mind.

Obama and Company failed when they passed the laws and regulations.

Now explain why they haven't "addressed" this issue ??



And I believe some States (not many) actually do "force" all doctors and hospitals to take all insurance in their State.

That might be the States that actually regulate the insurance policies with better commissions.

Massachusetts maybe ? Not sure.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Now you are trying to put words in my mouth.

It was the OP who claimed "It doesn't matter"

originally posted by: xuenchen

Obama and Company failed when they passed the laws and regulations.
Now explain why they haven't "addressed" this issue ??

And I believe some States (not many) actually do "force" all doctors and hospitals to take all insurance in their State.
That might be the States that actually regulate the insurance policies with better commissions.
Massachusetts maybe ? Not sure.

Again, how do you expect Obama to "address" it? Executive Action?

If the current Cruz led congress actually did some work for a change, they could fix it in one afternoon.

a reply to: BritofTexas

I'm pretty sure you are taking that statement from the OP out of context. Though that doesn't change the fact that this is a real problem. So what do you think should be done? Just let all the doctors quit exacerbating an already dire situation? I certainly am not advocating forcing the doctors to be doctors, that's authoritarian. It reasons that -I- would want to give out incentives to retain doctors and get new ones, not cause they to leave the industry.

a reply to: peter_kandra

We know someone who is a doctor and the hospital he works at pays in the 6 figure range/year for his malpractice insurance.

originally posted by: BritofTexas
a reply to: peter_kandra

Even though I don't really disagree with you that much, I'll use the Right's argument for the minimum wage.

"Nobody is forcing him to be a Doctor".

There are plenty of Fast Food establishments hiring, where he would not have the burden of Payroll.

Yes, and when everyone opts out of being a doctor, then I guess the world will be fixed ...

originally posted by: BritofTexas

originally posted by: xuenchen

Obama and Company failed when they passed the laws and regulations.
Now explain why they haven't "addressed" this issue ??

And I believe some States (not many) actually do "force" all doctors and hospitals to take all insurance in their State.
That might be the States that actually regulate the insurance policies with better commissions.
Massachusetts maybe ? Not sure.

Again, how do you expect Obama to "address" it? Executive Action?

If the current Cruz led congress actually did some work for a change, they could fix it in one afternoon.

He won't be able to take "Executive" Action will he.

This is a State by State issue that was overlooked in the main ACA law.

Congress will have to dismantle the entire law and address each problem case by case as single legislations.

Good luck with that idea since Progressive Democrats won't play.

Democrats obviously are 100% in favor of the discriminating policies.

originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: xuenchen

Obamacare plans have shrunk payments to physicians so much that some doctors say they won’t be able to afford to accept Obamacare coverage

vs.

Narrow networks have become a hallmark of many Obamacare exchange plans, as one of few options left to insurance companies that allows them to save money by lowering reimbursement rates and covering fewer providers.

Sounds more like insurance companies are to blame, to me. Again. Like when they refused to cover people in the past because of "preexisting conditions."

Your thoughts are geared towards a socialist style country problem is the foundation of this country is in direct conflict with that ideal. Also it always fails. As handouts rise people grow more and more apathetic.


If we continue to undermine the foundation of this country it will eventually fall apart under the weight of the progressive lie.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I have had intimate experience of Healthcare on both sides of the Atlantic. Back home I knew several Doctors both professionally and socially. And one thing I can assure you of, is non of them have ever stood in line out side of a Soup Kitchen. (Although a couple did work in Homeless Shelters.)

So to my mind the best solution is Single Payer.

Now before you reach for your Pitchfork shouting "Commie" and "Socialist", the U.S. does not necessarily need to go full blown NHS. There are other versions to choose from. In fact cherry picking the bits that work the best in other countries would be a good idea. We have years of Data to draw from.

a reply to: BritofTexas

Single payer would never happen in this country because the insurance companies won't let it happen. For one it will put them out of business. Now some will look at that as a good thing, but the health insurance companies employ MANY MANY people so putting them out of business would probably trigger an economic recession. I'm not saying I like these companies (in fact I absolutely LOATH insurance companies, only companies I hate worse would be banks), but people who call for single-payer need to understand what that will mean for the economy and the businesses that inhabit it. Politicians realize this, that is why none will ever seriously push single-payer since it would be career suicide to be apart of crashing the US economy. So keep that in mind whenever you rally the "single-payer" battle cry.

If I were a doctor:

Okay so the majority of these patients have this specific insurance. I don't want to serve them cause pay isn't enough.
I am now left to serve the minority of patients. The majority of people who come in I will let down, while the minority I will serve. Wait, this looks more like a lost in profit to me. How about I serve the majority cause something is something?

originally posted by: xuenchen
He won't be able to take "Executive" Action will he.
This is a State by State issue that was overlooked in the main ACA law.

So now it's the States fault?

But at the beginning of the Thread you were blaming Obama!

Have you been drinking again?

a reply to: xuenchen

And if obama had put in the ACA that doctors had to accept the insurance then I bet you would have been up in arms about that too.
I guess it could have been foreseen that docs would do this based on how medicare and medicaid was going, but maybe they took a leap of faith and thought that there was still some docs in america that do it for the good of the people not for the good of their wallet. Or to make political statement, cause lets be real, that is part of this.
Before the flame, it is their right to do what they do for the money, they did the work. Just seems like a strange profession to get into if you are doing it just for the money.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Nobody is saying it would be easy. But this is the U.S.A. "The greatest country on Earth", so I'm told on a regular basis. Are you really saying that America would fail at something that even France could do?

A Public Option would be a good start.

originally posted by: BritofTexas

originally posted by: xuenchen
He won't be able to take "Executive" Action will he.
This is a State by State issue that was overlooked in the main ACA law.

So now it's the States fault?

But at the beginning of the Thread you were blaming Obama!

Have you been drinking again?

How soon we forget.

Remember the old "If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance" ?

Then remember when Obama said OK I *Lied* a little ?

Then Obama said OK keep it but only if and when the States say OK.

The ACA failed to address this from Day 1.

Yes Obama and Democrats who voted "AYE" are to blame for the entire failure of the ACA.

originally posted by: xuenchen
How soon we forget.
Remember the old "If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance" ?
Then remember when Obama said OK I *Lied* a little ?
Then Obama said OK keep it but only if and when the States say OK.
The ACA failed to address this from Day 1.
Yes Obama and Democrats who voted "AYE" are to blame for the entire failure of the ACA.

Again. What do you expect Obama to do?

Congress can pass a law regulating payments to Doctors any time they like. That is their JOB.

I would pass any suggestion you have to Canadian Cruz, the de facto Speaker and Whip of Congress, for you, but, of late, he hasn't been returning my calls.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BritofTexas

I'm pretty sure you are taking that statement from the OP out of context. Though that doesn't change the fact that this is a real problem. So what do you think should be done? Just let all the doctors quit exacerbating an already dire situation? I certainly am not advocating forcing the doctors to be doctors, that's authoritarian. It reasons that -I- would want to give out incentives to retain doctors and get new ones, not cause they to leave the industry.

I'm not a fan of the ACA as it stands since it's at its core, basically just subsidization of private health insurance companies. That said, this isn't looking very sustainable either:


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a reply to: BritofTexas

Did France start with insurance companies heavily entrenched into their health care system? I'd say that comparing France or any other country's system or challenges that they went through to our system and challenges is akin to comparing apples and oranges. That's like trying to compare gun laws and gun statistics in England to the ones here in the United States. Oh wait...

Yes you are correct, no fix would be easy. And the way I see it, all of them will cause the house of cards our economy is built on to come crumbling down since many of our social problems are tied to corrupt government intruding on certain businesses or favoring others. Whether the problem is businesses lobbying government so they can have preferential treatment or government stepping in an telling a business how to operate, both are indicative of a system that has gotten WAY out of hand and is doing more to impede growth and progress then inhibit it.

Thank god for the NHS! America is all about the money not the care of people

Don't know if this story is true but I can say in the small town I live in we have lost 3 doctors since it was enacted.

Before you could call and get an appointment the same say or the next and now it's a week to a couple of weeks before you can get into a doctor.