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Scottish Independance & Possible Huge Oil Discovery

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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: midicon

I see the front page of The Scottish Sun today says 'frack to the future'. Inside there is a two page spread detailing a think tanks report on viable oil reserves and possible revenue.

The collumnist Bill Leckie. an ardent no supporter has now switched his views and will support the yes campaign. Giving reasons similar to my own for his stance. That is...for the children of today.

They also carry a story on the betting that has been going on up and down the country and the odds given. If we were to go by that then independence is a goer. However bearing in mind that there is some risk involved then perhaps gamblers are not the best guide to popular opiniion. In Scotland 89% of all bets were for a yes result. Odds are yes 11/4...no 1/4.

I have no interest in gambling...just thought I'd throw that stuff in.


They obviously knew this "Enchantment under the sea" dance was going to come along sometime and Scotland would get to chose their destiny (or not). Big oil has probably known for 50 years exactly where all the global oil reserves are and the exact cost of recovering them. Something tells me this is too important a global interest plan for them to allow a vote.

Is that information still even classified?




posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: Cauliflower

originally posted by: midicon

I see the front page of The Scottish Sun today says 'frack to the future'. Inside there is a two page spread detailing a think tanks report on viable oil reserves and possible revenue.

The collumnist Bill Leckie. an ardent no supporter has now switched his views and will support the yes campaign. Giving reasons similar to my own for his stance. That is...for the children of today.

They also carry a story on the betting that has been going on up and down the country and the odds given. If we were to go by that then independence is a goer. However bearing in mind that there is some risk involved then perhaps gamblers are not the best guide to popular opiniion. In Scotland 89% of all bets were for a yes result. Odds are yes 11/4...no 1/4.

I have no interest in gambling...just thought I'd throw that stuff in.


They obviously knew this "Enchantment under the sea" dance was going to come along sometime and Scotland would get to chose their destiny (or not). Big oil has probably known for 50 years exactly where all the global oil reserves are and the exact cost of recovering them. Something tells me this is too important a global interest plan for them to allow a vote.

Is that information still even classified?

We will still be dragging out Oil from the north sea in 50 years time. but it aint infinite. like everywhere else. we know this, but better we get the next 50 years of what's left than just give it away like we have the past 40 years.
you have to ask...@ £1.4 trillion in debt, where the F@#% did all that profit/bonus money go.??

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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I know a guy in America who was in a car crash with his son...His sons bill is sitting at $8 Million so far and that's not even a year past. That's $8 Million a insurance company has to pay for one child that at the end of the day we all have to pay for.
Yeah, sounds like privatisation is the way to go.


Why do you conveniently keep missing the point? I would have liked to have thought that was below you. This is not about adopting the American pattern and if you really have the insight you sometimes claim to have, you would know it.

Most of the 6% of private company work in the NHS (as of now, 5% in 2010 - if I have the percentages 1 higher than they should be, apologies, it's late) is not to introduce charging in that way and if you really have more head than heart in this debate you should know that, but somehow it pains you to admit it doesn't it? If in some circumstances using private companies is actually better financial policy meaning that the customer (us) gets a better service at a better cost, don't you think in some circumstances that makes sense? I could talk about the seriously ridiculously outdated patient record system that meant if you had an accident 50 miles away from your GP surgery, the hospital you were being treated in would have to wait until your notes could be faxed to them - that was how/is how the system worked/works depending on where you live. Do you not think a private enterprise should be able to do that better seeing as that is their bread and butter work?

Sol, you seem to be looking for someone to argue with but precious few people are - you keep saying everyone is against the Scots getting their say - look to this thread, where are people saying that? Yet you keep coming up with rhetoric with nothing to back it up with.

Whatever Scotland decides to do, good luck to Scotland, and of course the rest of us.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:05 PM
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London Saturday 07/09/14 in case you missed it ...must be just me that's talking utter Bollocks then.

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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Cauliflower

originally posted by: midicon

I see the front page of The Scottish Sun today says 'frack to the future'. Inside there is a two page spread detailing a think tanks report on viable oil reserves and possible revenue.

The collumnist Bill Leckie. an ardent no supporter has now switched his views and will support the yes campaign. Giving reasons similar to my own for his stance. That is...for the children of today.

They also carry a story on the betting that has been going on up and down the country and the odds given. If we were to go by that then independence is a goer. However bearing in mind that there is some risk involved then perhaps gamblers are not the best guide to popular opiniion. In Scotland 89% of all bets were for a yes result. Odds are yes 11/4...no 1/4.

I have no interest in gambling...just thought I'd throw that stuff in.


They obviously knew this "Enchantment under the sea" dance was going to come along sometime and Scotland would get to chose their destiny (or not). Big oil has probably known for 50 years exactly where all the global oil reserves are and the exact cost of recovering them. Something tells me this is too important a global interest plan for them to allow a vote.

Is that information still even classified?

We will still be dragging out Oil from the north sea in 50 years time. but it aint infinite. like everywhere else. we know this, but better we get the next 50 years of what's left than just give it away like we have the past 40 years.
you have to ask...@ £1.4 trillion in debt, where the F@#% did all that profit/bonus money go.??


It is where all the debt came from we should be asking £700 million debt when the torie's came to power and did all the cutbacks



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
London Saturday 07/09/14 in case you missed it ...must be just me that's talking utter Bollocks then.


No, not really, quote the percentage that was attributed to private companies against what looks like a poster that is something so cheap even the Socialist Worker magazine didn't put their name to it. Now, if you really think you want to debate it, then please, I'm all for it. Facts please where the NHS could offer better, cheaper for any services that a private company is providing a service?

Independence or not, that we will know in a couple of weeks time. That will be the will of the people registered to vote in Scotland at the time of the election and if those are the rules then fair play, but please don't show me a populist poster who someone like Salmon keeps shouting the headlines without giving the facts behind it............. I would have thought that would have been the point to discuss.

You know that was a yes campaign event, were you expecting anything different? I'm sorry, you keep doing this - can't you give any actual data to match it up? And again, I really don't care which way the vote goes, just annoying for some people to make their decisions based on rhetoric because they can't be bothered to check out the facts themselves - nothing personal, you understand, just that 'deny ignorance' thing, you know, the supposed motto of this site.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
London Saturday 07/09/14 in case you missed it ...must be just me that's talking utter Bollocks then.



You know that was a yes campaign event, were you expecting anything different? I'm sorry, you keep doing this - can't you give any actual data to match it up? And again, I really don't care which way the vote goes, just annoying for some people to make their decisions based on rhetoric because they can't be bothered to check out the facts themselves - nothing personal, you understand, just that 'deny ignorance' thing, you know, the supposed motto of this site.

Really. A Yes Campaign event....in what way, and by who, nothing to do with the YES camp. Maybe some people South of the border have still got a back bone to challenge TPTB..???
Thousands March against the privatisation of the NHS
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:32 PM
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And just in case you missed this wee snippet..What in the hell does this have to do with the YES Campaign. Please enlighten me.
www.independent.co.uk...
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
London Saturday 07/09/14 in case you missed it ...must be just me that's talking utter Bollocks then.



You know that was a yes campaign event, were you expecting anything different? I'm sorry, you keep doing this - can't you give any actual data to match it up? And again, I really don't care which way the vote goes, just annoying for some people to make their decisions based on rhetoric because they can't be bothered to check out the facts themselves - nothing personal, you understand, just that 'deny ignorance' thing, you know, the supposed motto of this site.

Really. A Yes Campaign event....in what way, and by who, nothing to do with the YES camp. Maybe some people South of the border have still got a back bone to challenge TPTB..???
Thousands March against the privatisation of the NHS


Yes, if you looked at the media it was certainly focussing on a Yes vote, although I take you point, it was just a basic anti government march based on the fact that there is less money to spend right now and it was taken up by the left wing - hey, that is really the case, show me otherwise. Please, if the Yes vote does its thing and wins, come back in a couple of years and tell me that wonder of wonders there is no PTB in Holyrood. Sorry, but I think you will find wherever there is a government some people will find a way of showing how they are conspiring against them, rightly or wrongly, regardless of political colour or creed, everyone always needs someone to blame, don't they?



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
And just in case you missed this wee snippet..What in the hell does this have to do with the YES Campaign. Please enlighten me.
www.independent.co.uk...


Because it plays into Salmonds hands that the NHS in Scotland shouldn't be part of the UK? You don't think for a second that the timing is significant? Why?



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:39 PM
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6% today...100% tomorrow...rocky road man. we are playing with fire here. we already see a difference between private and public health care. It's about not noticing a difference whatsoever or dont you get that. Fairer society for all. Alba Soar. Alba Gu Brath.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
6% today...100% tomorrow...rocky road man. we are playing with fire here. we already see a difference between private and public health care. It's about not noticing a difference whatsoever or dont you get that. Fairer society for all. Alba Soar. Alba Gu Brath.


Crap and you know it. You are talking rhetoric with nothing behind it. Of course there is a difference between public and private - the same as legal aid and non legal aid. Stop talking rubbish and I will respect your view a lot more. Don't tell me that private health is for the elite only before you start, good friends of mine have taken the private health option for their own reasons, others (including me and my other half) have stayed NHS with no complaints and in other half's case save their life. Please, you are doing it again, wind, hot air, no facts.

Just so you can't bend what I say, this isn't about the vote for Scottish independence, it's about rhetoric v facts, you sound a little slim on that.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
And just in case you missed this wee snippet..What in the hell does this have to do with the YES Campaign. Please enlighten me.
www.independent.co.uk...


Because it plays into Salmonds hands that the NHS in Scotland shouldn't be part of the UK? You don't think for a second that the timing is significant? Why?

Well we could say the same about the Tories false Terror threat last week, Ed millipede talking about Boarder patrols yesterday or the new powers that Gideon has promised us today..
I'm old enough to remember the promises of 79, fool me once...all BS as far as i'm concerned and funny it all fell on the day that the polls showed a turn to the YES side.

The difference i see is that yesterdays protest in London had nothing to do with the Yes campaign or the SNP. What The Tories, Labour did in collusion with the BBC was nothing short of embarrassing to say the least and they are fooling no-one up here with their dangly Carrot style of Politics and BS.

The Games a Bogey, Westminster needs a plan B. but i'm afraid they have just shot themselves in the foot with their new call for a 9% pay rise...expect Scotland to be Independent on the 19th....

It's not a done deal by any manner of means, but we have the momentum and no-one from the YES side is sleeping.
We will keep this going until the end..The No Camp have not and never will have our Passion or commitment to a cause because they have nothing but negativity, no belief, no hope, no faith in themselves.

Scotland has led the World in just about every discipline imaginable, we will do it again without the need for Westminster. something they will never understand.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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Holyrood is nothing like Westminster and never will be...if they pull the same Sheeeeit that Westminster has for ever and a day we will rip them from their seats mid sentence and they will be sentenced without trial. something lacking as far as i can see in London or Blair/Thatcher would be strung up by now.
And if you think i'm being a bit harsh well, it's like this, as long as they know they cant get away with whatever and as long as they know they are touchable then we the people will always be in control of the situation.

Scotland is about to change British Politics for the better...get on board Man.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Sounds good. I'm looking forward to you dealing with the organised masonic/'elite' child rape culture in Scotland's posh schools. Or is that where you all suddenly chicken out?

stolenkids-dunblane.blogspot.co.uk...:00:00Z&updated-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=1

"For the avoidance of doubt, I do have a high regard for some members of the police,
which is soured by those bad apples who bring the service into disrepute.
I do not doubt that the Family Unit is served by many fine people and it is well known
that between 1991 and 1993 the Family Unit (then called the Force Child Protection
Unit) in the person of Detective Sergeant Paul Hughes produced recommendations
and a report on Thomas Hamilton the Dunblane mass murderer, which, if acted on
would have resulted in Thomas Hamilton being charged with 10 criminal offences
and his gun licence being revoked.
Another upstanding member of the Central Scotland Police force with responsibility
for the Child Protection Unit who comes shining through from the Transcript of the
Dunblane Inquiry is Detective Chief Inspector Joseph Holden, who supported
Detective Sergeant Hughes in his attempts to bring charges and revoke Hamilton’s
firearms licence.
Again from the Official Transcript of the Dunblane Inquiry it is apparent that
someone also meriting praise is Detective Constable Ann Anderson of the Firearms
Licensing Department, who after interviewing Hamilton as part of his firearms licence
renewal tried to revoke his licence.
The commendable actions of the above police officers are in marked contrast to the
officious actions of Depute Chief Constable Douglas McMurdo who overruled
Detective Sergeant Hughes’ recommendations in his report, and Detective Inspector
John Anderson who dissuaded Detective Constable Ann Anderson from
recommending refusal of Hamilton’s licence renewal, despite the strong negative
feelings that Ann Anderson had about Hamilton.
Contrasts such as the upstanding actions of the former group of police officers with
the questionable actions of the latter group are notable throughout the Dunblane
Inquiry and have caused some people, including myself, to conclude that Hamilton’s
Freemasonry protected him in life and in death. This would explain the inexplicable.
At a much earlier date (1989-1991) the ex-housemaster who related his experiences at
Queen Victoria School to me also concluded that Freemasonry was the common
denominator in the abuse of power that allowed a privileged clique including Sheriffs,
Fiscals, and Thomas Hamilton to visit and in some cases abuse pupils at that school.
It is noticeable that you have not sought to address my genuine concerns with regard
to Masonic membership. This is not unusual in Scotland and in fact Lord Cullen
failed to respond to a submission to the Dunblane Inquiry regarding his Masonic
membership and a request that police witnesses be required to state their Masonic
status.
It is not strictly accurate to say that he ignored it as he concluded that it should be
buried from the public for 100 years. A subject you are familiar with, as you have
refused my lawyers request for me to view the 100-year closure documents."

Dunblane was carried out to create conditions for the handgun ban. The handgun ban creates conditions for slavery. Independence isn't slavery.

Trying to get back on topic. The oil stories are just manipulation of the masses. You have an elite of traumatised and mind controlled posh twits to contend with. Oil or not your road to freedom stretches far before you.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 06:55 AM
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a reply to: Kester
Well done, a post containing not a single point of merit whatever. Back in reality...



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

You haven't got a chance at Independence as long as you chicken out from the real issues. Land ownership, 'elite' control and the mass manipulation carried out through the media are your big problems.



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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Oh My...100 years of Oil left...

youtu.be...
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posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Kester
If you mean that reform of land ownership, decentralisation of power and dealing with corporate controlled media are issues that need addressed then you are correct and the best way to start is by voting yes on the 18th.
What that has to do with tin foil havering about Dunblane is beyond me.



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I'm with you on the YES bit. If only because my best informed source tells me that's what's right.



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