Science Is Not Democratic

a reply to: Words

Believing something simply because "science says so" is actually pseudoscientific.

Actually it isn't. Please if you are going to use such terms learn how they apply.

pseu·do·sci·ence (sd-sns)
n.
A theory, methodology, or practice that is considered to be without scientific foundation.


pseudo·scien·tific (-n-tfk) adj.

pseudo·scien·tist n. www.thefreedictionary.com...

Pseudoscience is a claim, belief or practice which is presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.[1] Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, contradictory, exaggerated or unprovable claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories.en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Grimpachi
If science is democratic then please explain who gets to vote on it and why.

Science and the scientific method is the best way we have to understand/explore/categorize the known universe if someone came up with a better way they would need to use the scientific method to prove it was better.

So...do you have a better way?

Right now there is no better way. But that's not what the discussion is about. It's about experts, doctors, scientist or politicians telling you something is a fact without demonstrating it to you first, much like a doctor's office. According to Obama, a doctor's word is second to God.

Deep within a person's mind they will decide who is worth listening to and who is not. When a person of authority or someone they envy says something like "Gatorade is better than water, it has electrolytes", looks into their eyes and smiles, it tends to boost sales.

Politicians can use the same tactics to change the course of society using science and doctors can prescribe medication without performing the full 101 point inspection simply because he tells you it will help. (following a wink)

A lot of people still believe what politicians and news channels tell them and is an exact mirror image of what's actually going on in the world. Society has been spoon fed information for years and selling science works just like a Michael Jordan underwear commercial.

For example, most people don't care about how toxic it is to make yogurt, they just want their treat!

Toxic waste from Greek yogurt poses danger to waterways

The Modern Farmer report stated that for every 3 to 4 ounces of milk used, Chobani and other manufacturers can only make 1 ounce of Greek yogurt – the rest becoming acid whey. Chobani is so desperate to get rid of the whey, the report maintained, they pay nearby farmers to haul the whey somewhere else. They claim that 70 percent of their excess whey winds up in livestock feed.

"The largest producer of beef conducted their own study and some guy at a press release told me it was absolutely safe to eat."

But the yogurt industry has remained relatively secretive on the issue, as there are currently no industry-wide statistics regarding where all of this excess whey is going..

"I don't care where it goes, gimme yogurt. There is no data to show it is having a negative impact."

Who says it and how many times they repeat it may be entirely wrong, but it actually works. That's why the media is so effective in swaying a nations opinion on certain topics. Ignorant people will either believe their own scientific point of view or they will directly latch onto certain scientific points of view based off of their political point of view. Replace the scientist, with a politician and people care not about results and information, only the political ramification of agreeing with it or not. Any real science behind the idea has taken a back seat.

Would your doctor tell you all the best foods you can eat to achieve the same effect as SOME of your medications? Can you go to a conventional doctor to help you get off medication or will they try to convince you of another. Since when does a doctor have the authority to tell a parent to leave them room so they may ask the child some questions?

It's a fact that science is used to control, advance the human species. But are the correct people who get the privilege of funding and recognition really the ones worth listening to the most? The scientific method on how to rule the world seems to be working well. Obama told me himself.

originally posted by: Antigod
a reply to: Loveaduck

She began teaching special ed students, developmentally disabled and when she was able to get many of those students on a level surpassing normally developed children, children who were not handicapped, it made her question the entire system of education up until that point. What are they doing in schools to these normal children if I can get mentally disabled students to top them in exams? She asked herself.

Interesting claim. Source? As I read that her less able children were able to pass exams, they didn't outperform the normal children and she believed her methods would significantly improve the normal childrens learning ability to

I ask as I've seen work that shows Montessori kids don't do any better or have notably different personalities:
Lopata, Christopher; Wallace, Nancy V; Finn, Kristin V (2005). "Comparison of Academic Achievement Between Montessori and Traditional Education Programs"

That's one study. One study says nothing and like I said the 3rd Reich banned the Montessori education system from being taught because it prevents nations making soldiers out of it's people. This one study comparing these educations might easily be biased against it for the same reasons Hitler was...control.

Famous Montessori Alumni
Joshua Bell, violinist
Jeff Bezos, founder & CEO of Amazon.com
T. Berry Brazelton, noted pediatrician
Sergey Brin & Larry Page, founders of Google
Julia Child, chef and author
George Clooney, actor
Peter Drucker, management guru
Anne Frank, WWII diarist
Katherine Graham, past owner and editor, Washington Post
Helen Hunt, actress
Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Nobel Prize winner for Literature
Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, former first lady and book editor
Devi Sridhar, youngest-ever American Rhodes scholar
Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia

More Montessori students:
Sean "P. Diddy" Combs,
George Clooney,
Helen Keller, HM Queen Noor of Jordan,
Prince William and Prince Harry of Wales

Montessori parents:
Bill and Hillary Clinton;
Willie Nelson;
Steve Tyler,
Joe Perry and Brad Whitford of Aerosmith;
Yo Yo Ma

Montessori advocates:
Erik Erikson,
Sigmund Freud,
Buckminster Fuller,
Mahatma Gandhi,
the Dalai Lama,
Fred Rogers,
Bertrand Russell,
Leo Tolstoy and
Alice Waters

Did you know?

Alexander Graham Bell founded two of the first Montessori schools in the U.S. and Canada.
Thomas Edison founded a Montessori school in the U.S.
Jean Piaget, noted psychologist, was head of the Swiss Montessori Society.
Woodrow Wilson created a Montessori classroom in the basement of the White House for his daughter.

www.inlyschool.org...

edit on 18-8-2014 by Loveaduck because: (no reason given)

a reply to: eisegesis


I'll look for it.
I think Obamas take on it is to trust educated experts in the field. You can weed out people without credentials, hacks and charlatans but there remains a field of educated opinion and fact that is in fact WHAT WE KNOW THUS FAR....about any given topic. If we do not have that truth on record, we do not have a history, we do not have progress and we do not evolve.

a reply to: eisegesis

Science is great. Except it is just as fallible as any other human endeavor.. Or, like everything else, it's true nature is not understood even by those who claim to master it. The double slit experiment indeed tells what of the nature of reality? Why is this result glossed over by all but the most astute, and quantum physicists?..