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At the moment, it seems like the goal is to repeat the same things over and over, as often as possible, under the theory that a lie told often enough must be true.
Yes, I do. But that makes no difference.
Despite the fact that you're trying hard to look neutral, it's obvious, at least for me, that you lean towards Israel.
I'm not going to argue for Israel
In time this insanity shall too become part of history ... propaganda has long been a part of warfare .. only thing new is with social media its more in your face than it has been in past .. the battle for hearts and minds gets ugly ..
Meh .. would still sit and have a drink with everyone - even those whose views differ ..
But then you throw at us a diatribe about how bad it is to defend Hamas and "how good for the debate" it would be if people stopped to criticize Israel. Care to explain ?
Unless we live there and see it first hand, there is I way to know for certain what is propaganda and what isn't. We are being spoon fed the small nuggets of information that we do have, and since the press has been caught a million times with their pants down... Where does That really leave us?
originally posted by: charles1952
Dear ATSers,
I've been in a few Gaza threads, and have intentionally stayed out of a few more. I'm not going to argue for Israel, Hamas, Jews, Palestinians, the UN, or anybody else. But I would like us to look at ourselves.
The majority (vast?) of these threads follow an identical pattern. An interview, tweet, photograph, UN pronouncement, a press report by Hamas, whether it's true, false, wildly exaggerated, or taken out of context (yes, some false things have been used in OPs), anything which might put Israel in a bad light is used as the subject of an OP.
Within 15 minutes several other posters have written comments supporting the OP, and you can count on seeing "war crimes" and "Genocide" in the first few posts.
Sometimes they'll throw in "targeting innocent civilians," or, if really trying to impress, they'll make it "Intentionally targeting innocent civilians." The pattern has changed a little bit recently, the facts now force pro-(Gazans?) to say somewhere, "I don't like Hamas, but ...." and off they go.
Then a few posters will jump in and say, "But your facts are wrong," "You left out ...," or "Would you explain clearly how to get a long-term peace without destroying Israel." The OP and supporters will either ignore those interjections or reply with irrelevancies, or keep repeating things that are palpably false.
At the moment, it seems like the goal is to repeat the same things over and over, as often as possible, under the theory that a lie told often enough must be true.
My question is, is it possible for ATS to have a discussion on this issue, or has it been taken over fanatics? ATS can make up it's own mind, just let me know, please.
(Oh, I'm supposed to offer my opinion, that's right. I'm leaning heavily toward the belief that the issue has been taken over by a few fanatics, maybe 20 or fewer, and real discussion is highly unlikely.)