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Israel has broken my heart: I’m a rabbi in mourning for a Judaism being murdered by Israel

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posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

i have lived in Israel and there has NEVER BEEN a non-violent Palestinian Authority! THAT IS A LIE! I also now do not believe that you are a Rabbi. Probably some paid government shill to pass along DISINFORMATION. During the years I lived there, Arafat CONTINUALLY stated that he would drive the Jews into the Sea. Until he died of AIDS. There were a CONSTANT STREAM of incursions that ended up in murderous mayhem at the hands of MERCILESS terrorists who blew up cars, who blew up themselves, who blew up entire busloads of innocent citizens of Israel. I don't know what PLANET you're living on buddy, but you are WAY off the mark.

I had friends on all sides of the fence, Christians, Bedouins, and Palestinians. Some of them are very warm and kind and good hearted. Certainly not ALL of them. But I saw some cruelties on both sides. My eyes were clearly opened.

But this HAMAS led government in Philistia, cares not for the lives of the Palestinians, nor their very lives... Their ideologies are to just to die, and in doing so will bring praise to their god.

SIGH... such a warped and twisted way of thinking and living. Where is there to be found ANY joy, ANY happiness, ANY peace... When you're steeped in animosity towards ALL races,ALL creeds, and just wish to plunder and murder everyone in your path??? It makes no sense to me. After hearing the diatribe from the Hamas Leader's son who defected and became a Christian, he paints a very stark picture of the darkness that leads their lives.

I was saddened a number of times watching people be unkind to one another. I just didn't get it. Better to at least try to get along, and there are numbers of Jewish people who get along wonderfully with the Greek/Arab Palestinians. For that is their true heritage. They originally came from Greece.

The Romans named them Palestine after the failed revolt that drove us out of our land into the Great Diaspora.

But I suppose there was a plan that G-d had for us all in this...




posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: palmalBlue2

Now you reference that wicked Anti-semitic Jimmy Carter??? WOW!!! It grows CLEARER AND CLEARER TO ME that you are NOT who you say you are...

You are no Jew!



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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U.S. Jewish Leader Henry Siegman to Israel: Stop Killing Palestinians and End the Occupation


Henry Siegman: Israel’s offensive in Gaza ‘a slaughter of innocents’
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posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: old_god

Sorry old god, but if you don't believe Hamas has stored weapons in mosques and schools, then perhaps you need to brush up on your god skills.


edit on 8/6/2014 by angeldoll because: should use proper spelling when addressing an alleged god.



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 10:45 AM
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Not All Jews Support Israel

There is hope for peace with fair minded people on both sides.

Many Jews reject the violent occupation of Palestine by the Zionist Israeli government.

Many of them denounce the settlement building by Israel on Palestinian land.

The mass murder of Palestinian civilians

The false peace efforts by the Government of Israel, who every time there is a peace conference ISRAEL APPROVES NEW SETTLEMENTS!



To both Jews and non-Jews the idea of an anti-Zionist Jew can sound like a contradiction in terms—an abuse of Rabbi Hillel’s most famous ethical aphorism, “If I am not for myself, who will be for me." But for Sam Weinstein, and for around 30 others, me included, tucked together in a small Jewish bloc at Saturday’s Gaza demo in London, standing against Israel is precisely what our background demands.




“I come from a Jewish tradition that has always fought for the underdog,” Sam told me as he unfurled a banner of the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in the sticky heat. “One that has fought for social justice because historically we were the ones getting killed by the state.”




On the 8th of July, Israel began Operation Protective Edge, a military offensive which used the kidnapping and murder of three boys in Kfar Etzion, a settlement in the occupied West Bank, as a pretext for the bombardment and invasion of the Gaza strip. Since then, over 80,000 Gazans have fled their homes and more than 500 have died, the majority of them civilians.




For British Jews and other diaspora communities that oppose this, the added tragedy is that it is done in our name, in the expectation of our full, unflinching support. Before the Second World War, there were many Jews that refused to accept political Zionism as an ideology. But since 1948, when the State of Israel was established, support for it has slowly become almost unanimous.




“The Israeli state identifies Israel with all Jews,” Naomi Winborne Idrissi, a co-founder of Jews for Boycotting Israel Goods said to me as we passed Downing Street. “It aims to speak for all of us. But we say Israel and Zionism does not represent us.” Refusing to be wrapped up in a cause that is blindly and destructively nationalistic is why we were demonstrating in our capacity as Jews—both expressing our solidarity with Palestine and reclaiming ownership of our Jewish identity.
www.vice.com...

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posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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Here the real facts of this issue that the American MSM hide from the US population.



Here about the blockade. Here about the injustice of OCCUPATION!



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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Palestinians are not alone. Also Bedouins are now at shorter end of stick. And Ashkenazi are something more compared to Sephardi or East Africa Jews ... At least such reports I hear. In mean time lot of people emigrate from Israel. Often to Germany. Historical paradox?



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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President Carter: Israel – Not Hamas – Is to Blame for War


Carter wrote yesterday



This tragedy results from the deliberate obstruction of a promising move toward peace in the region, when a reconciliation agreement among the Palestinian factions was announced in April. This was a major concession by Hamas, in opening Gaza to joint control under a technocratic government that did not include any Hamas members. The new government also pledged to adopt the three basic principles demanded by the Middle East Quartet comprised of the United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia: nonviolence, recognition of Israel, and adherence to past agreements. Tragically, Israel rejected this opportunity for peace and has succeeded in preventing the new government’s deployment in Gaza.


Carter says Israel committed war crimes



There is no humane or legal justification for the way the Israeli Defense Forces are conducting this war. Israeli bombs, missiles, and artillery have pulverized large parts of Gaza, including thousands of homes, schools, and hospitals. More than 250,000 people have been displaced from their homes in Gaza. Hundreds of Palestinian noncombatants have been killed. Much of Gaza has lost access to water and electricity completely. This is a humanitarian catastrophe. There is never an excuse for deliberate attacks on civilians in conflict. These are war crimes. This is true for both sides. Hamas’s indiscriminate targeting of Israeli civilians is equally unacceptable. However, three Israeli civilians have been killed by Palestinian rockets, while an overwhelming majority of the 1,600 Palestinians killed have been civilians, including more than 330 children. The need for international judicial proceedings to investigate and end these violations of international law should be taken very seriously.


Now we see that Israel feared the move to peace when the HAMAS and moderate Palestinians were ready to move to peace as Jimmy Carter relates.

The Israelis went berserk and started this slaughter in order to wreck this movement towards peace.

This is transparent to anyone who knows anything about the Mideast politics.





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posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: johndeere2020

I don't think Israel is violating the teachings of Judaism.

I have cross referenced verses in Talmud relating to the treatment of Gentiles and they are doing exactly what is told in their religion regarding the treatment of Gentiles.

Talmud is the most authoritative book in Judaism and its teachings have existed in the times of Jesus through the Pharisees.

It is believed in Talmud that Gentiles are sub-humans and can be exploited/harmed without consequences to their religion. An act that would be sin against a Jew is not a sin against a Gentile.


Talmud is not the most authoritative book in the bible, nor is it part of the bible. It is a man made commentary on the bible, and is man made interpretation of the commands given in the bible. Jesus castigated the Pharisees for putting greater credence on the traditions of men rather than GOD's word. Talmud is the traditions and teachings of men.

The Bible (Torah/Tanakh) teaches very clearly to honour the alien/stranger in the land.
Not every jew/religious Jew holds to the teachings of Talmud. Not every Talmud says the same thing.



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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This thread is nothing but pushing "Jewish Guilt" just as others on the left like to push "White Guilt" around so you have to feel ashamed for defending yourself, your family, your right to equality if you are white or Jewish in this case. Look it's very simple. As long as there are Arabs hating Jews there will be a conflict. As long as those Arabs attack Israel, then Israel will defend themselves, and as long as Arabs want to play the victim card by changing history and using innocent civilians as human shields there will be shills on the left to push their line and throw monkey poo at Israel.

Sort of reminds me of how in America dozens of blacks are killed nightly in Chicago and no one gives a damn, but let one white person defend themselves when a black attacks them and suddenly you have TV full of the race baiters. They don't care about the black community and Arabs don't care about the innocent civilians dying. It's all fodder for their hate games.



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020
I don't think Israel is violating the teachings of Judaism.

I have cross referenced verses in Talmud relating to the treatment of Gentiles and they are doing exactly what is told in their religion regarding the treatment of Gentiles.

Talmud is the most authoritative book in Judaism and its teachings have existed in the times of Jesus through the Pharisees.

It is believed in Talmud that Gentiles are sub-humans and can be exploited/harmed without consequences to their religion. An act that would be sin against a Jew is not a sin against a Gentile.



Pure BS.



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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Sir,you are to be applauded for you views n bringing this to the publics attention.How often had I felt like saying exactly the same as you!but would have been labelled an sematic/racist etc.How a people with a history of been perscuted,can be so cruel,they are behaving almost like the Nazi's a reply to: Willtell



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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religion is destroying this planet



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 06:05 PM
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I plead with people to watch this youtube

I rarely call people great but this man is fabulous.

His ideas have cost him greatly.



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

That anti-semite, Jimmy Carter, who has ALWAYS demonstrated a severe hatred of the Jews, whom I remember quite fervently as a child, gave the Egyptians enough diabolical weaponry to choke a camel, and who STILL just can't seem to put the brakes on the hate bombs, and lambasts Israel at EVERY opportunity. I wish that he would profess love for Israel, for he is cursed, according to scripture if he curses Israel. For they shall prosper that love thee! I pray for the Peace of Jerusalem each and every day. I wish that she were not at war, but has HAD to defend herself. I'm hoping and praying for her. But she will NOT know TRUE PEACE until the PRINCE OF PEACE returns to the Earth....



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: maceov

Though the other group of speakers, who strongly condemn (the actions and deeds of Israel) can’t be anti-Semites since they are Jews.

Also Carter is no anti-semite, he merely condemns what he sees as evil by the state of Israel.


Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


I imagine if God curses those who curse Israel then he has cursed himself.

28 :15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

28:15-68 If you don't obey all of the laws in the Old Testament, God shower you with the curses that are listed in the the next 52 verses.

28:16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
"Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field." (I guess you'll be cursed just about wherever you go.)

28:17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
"Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body."But other verses claim that children are not to be punished for the sins of their parents. Are we punished for the sins of others?

28:19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. "Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out."

28:20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed,

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day. (Rom 11:7-8)


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posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Be great if these God(s) would have the courage to REVEAL themselves, chances are they will not, cause flat out they are CHICKEN !



posted on Aug, 6 2014 @ 11:40 PM
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originally posted by: adjensen


If Israel announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… the nation would be destroyed.



Really? By what?? those terrifying rockets that have killed TWENTY EIGHT people in 14years ????

Israel has killed that many CIVILIANS.... EVERY DAY for a month now!!




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