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Russia pulls plug on 'last independent TV show'

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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 12:22 AM
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originally posted by: Dimithae


This wasn't a matter of banning them from speaking Russian,it was that they couldn't use it in official functions as they had been doing. Its like one day you go to DMV to renew your plates on your car,and you can only speak spanish now.


April 2014 - Moscow Times - Federation Council Approves Bill Requiring Russian Language for Residency


Russia's Federation Council on Wednesday gave its blessing to legal changes that would require foreign citizens to prove their ability to speak Russian.

Foreigners would be required to prove their knowledge with a certificate from an accredited institution proving that they had knowledge of the Russian language, Russian history and basics of Russian law in order to receive a work or residency permit, an explanation on the Federation Council's website said.

If the bill is signed by President Vladimir Putin, starting on Jan. 1, 2015, potential foreign residents without education documents from former Soviet countries will be required to pass an exam to receive the required certificate.

Federation Council member Lyudmila Bokova said that the bill would exempt those under 18 years old, over 60 and students at accredited institutions, as well as qualified foreign specialists and their families. The bill would "facilitate the cultural and linguistic adaptation of foreign citizens in Russia," Bokova said, RIA Novosti reported.


Another Law -

Another law approved by the Federation Council on Wednesday suggests that lawmakers have differing attitudes toward potential residents from parts of the former Soviet Union.

The upper house of parliament signed off on a bill that would simplify the citizenship procedure for native Russian speakers whose relatives at one point lived in Russia, the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire.

The bill, which passed the State Duma in its second reading earlier this month, has been viewed as a means for quickly granting citizenship to Russian-speaking residents in eastern Ukraine, who Russian government officials have said are under threat from the new central government in Kiev.

The law proposes that interviews be conducted with Russian speakers to determine whether their language abilities are at a suitable level for everyday life, and the subsequent citizenship process would then take no longer than three months, Interfax reported.

The normal procedure for obtaining citizenship requires foreign nationals to live in Russia for five years.


The argument on restricting the Russian language in Ukraine needs to stop since Russian outrage is nothing but BS. The second law is a direct threat to the national security of Ukraine and any other former soviet / Russian occupied republic.
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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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Double post

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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

More of a threat than bombing their own towns and cities in the east?
If was living in eastern ukraine i would hate Kiev right now.

Why do you see it as a direct threat? Its allowing Russian speakers easier access to live in Russia as Russians citizens. How is it a threat to those nations who accommodate them currently? Surely its more of a threat to have them living in large groups outside of Russia if you're that paranoid about Russias intentions.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: funkadeliaaaa

How is requiring the use of Ukrainian a direct threat to ethnic Russians living in South / East Ukraine?

As for Paranoia the only person exhibiting that like no other is Putin.

Please tell me you are not that naive when it comes to the Russian law on citizenship. When Russia can "claim" hundreds of thousands of people living in a country with that countries citizenship as Russians, it opens the door to an invasion to "protect" Russian "citizens".

That opens the door to every former soviet republic to a Russian invasion. Russian can try and force a puppet style setup with those countries in order to stave off a Russian invasion. Thank God the bulk are NATO members.
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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

First of all, its an insult because the majority of them dont speak Ukranian as a first language, they speak Russian!

Second of all, it is a direct threat because it will make their life more difficult / impossible as the majority only speak Russian. It would be like Israel forcing the Palestinians to only speak Hebrew.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 01:35 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

[Quote]When Russia can "claim" hundreds of thousands of people living in a country with that countries citizenship as Russians, it opens the door to an invasion to "protect" Russian "citizens".[Quote/]

This is baseless fear mongering. Russia is not indicating any desire to reclaim former soviet territory, it is simply making it easier for ethnic Russians to regain Russian citizenship, so they can live an work in their homeland without having to apply for a visa and be subject to restrictions.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: funkadeliaaaa

First of all, its an insult because the majority of them dont speak Ukranian as a first language, they speak Russian!

And they live in Ukraine, not Russia, who have their own language. Just as Russia passed a law requiring people to speak Russian in order to live in Russia.

Gee, no double standard there eh?




originally posted by: funkadeliaaaa
Second of all, it is a direct threat because it will make their life more difficult / impossible as the majority only speak Russian. It would be like Israel forcing the Palestinians to only speak Hebrew.

Your second point here is off base. If you are going to live in Ukraine as a Ukraine citizen, you adapt. You don't do what Russia does and invade while passing the very same law they accused Ukraine of having.
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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: funkadeliaaaa
This is baseless fear mongering. Russia is not indicating any desire to reclaim former soviet territory, it is simply making it easier for ethnic Russians to regain Russian citizenship, so they can live an work in their homeland without having to apply for a visa and be subject to restrictions.


Not fear mongering at all... It is fear mongering though when Russia uses the excuse to invade Ukraine because of a non existent bill requiring the use of Ukrainian for official government functions. Russia on the other hand just adopted the very bill they cited as justification for invading Ukraine.

Also, you really need to read Putin's speeches and what his plans are. Stating the collapse of the Soviet Union was illegal while stating the current borders of the former SSR's are illegal as well does not leave room for ambiguity. When one of Putin's justifications for invading Ukraine is to "protect ethnic Russians", one must take note of other "large Russian groups" residing in former SSR's. Russia invaded Ukraine, why would they not present a dangerous threat to any former SSR, or any country for that matter, with large Russian populations?

Putin is a hypocrite and liar and the sooner the Russian people come to that conclusi9on and elect a President who represents their interests and not that of the former Soviet Union and a nostalgia for the time period when the Soviet Union collapsed the better off the world will be.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 04:12 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't see how this is a direct threat,I'm sorry. They have taken in tens of thousands of refuges and want them to be able to speak the language in order to do business. This isn't saying they are taking over Ukraine.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 04:28 AM
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Where are you getting your information from? If its the msm it is all suspect just like RT, The Mirror and other sources people don't want to use on here. The propaganda flies on both sides of the ocean. We have been fed it for years now,and it has been used to make the masses believe we are justified in invading other countries FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.

" Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."
Vladimir Putin.

Though not perfect,Putin is more popular than our president. The Russian people 'as a whole' have respect for him. They felt that they were the laughing stock of the world when Yeltsin was president. He was a drunk and a fool and they were embarrassed by him. We may not like Putin,but his people feel he is a better representation of them than Yeltsin ever was. This is an alpha male society that puts great stock in their men being leaders and strong and unafraid. Putin has fit that bill for them,whether through propaganda or for real,and they respect him for that. They fear us because of our sometimes bi-polar foreign policies,and us running around finding any excuse to take out sovereign nations governments.

I would never want to live in Russia,but I say to each their own. WE need to stop meddling in other countries business for a change,instead of complaining when other countries do it. No one will take you seriously if you run around complaining about 'the other guy' when you are doing the same things and expect no one to say anything at all.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 05:46 AM
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originally posted by: Dimithae

" Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."
Vladimir Putin.


Because Putin never lies...

Putin acknowledges Russian military serviceman were in Crimea

* - Passports and Crimea - Putin lied

Putin is asked about how thousands of Russian passports were handed out to the citizens of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in the lead up to the 2008 war, and if Russia would take similar steps if a similar situation erupted in the Crimea.

Putin says there are no parallels between what happened in Abkhazia and South Ossetia and Crimea. Putin says the 2008 war was intended to protect Russian peacekeepers from being massacred, and no similar situation exists in Crimea. He says that the presence of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol is a stabilizing force in the region, and hopes it presence will continue.



Putin on Freedom of Press -

10:24 GMT: Putin notes how changes in the media landscape have made it difficult for print journalism to flourish. He also notes how its understandable that those working in print media would be unhappy with government cuts in subsidies to the industry, but such cuts reflect changes in consumer habits. Putin says he could reexamine those changes.



* - On Ukraine

10:00 GMT: Nationalist sentiment in Ukraine is part of the reason many younger people have negative attitudes towards Russia, Putin says. He notes that Russia has its own nationalist elements, but the majority of Russians are positively disposed towards Ukraine. Likewise, he says that among Ukraine's 45 million citizens, you will of course find elements that are anti-Russian, but their sentiments are likely caused by a lack of awareness.



* - One of Putins many many answers on Ukraine -

He repeats previous statements that while Russia will not discriminate against Ukrainian goods, Russia will have to remove trade preferences with Ukraine so as not to undermine Russia's economy. He reiterates his previous statement that Ukraine would devolve into an agricultural appendage of Europe. He understands that Ukrainian youths want to adopt certain EU standards, but they would also likely want to see their industrial production maintain their current markets in Russia.

He also notes that many of the Ukrainian political leaders involved in the euromaidan protests in Kiev are opposition leaders who had the opportunity to sign an association agreement with the EU when they were in government, but didn't. He concludes that ultimately, this is less about the EU, and more about internal Ukrainian politics.


* - On Georgia (his answers sounds awfully familiar)

09:38 GMT: Putin is asked what political steps Russia will take to normalize relations with Georgia following the 2008 war, and if Russia’s position has changed following Saakashvili’s lose in the October 27 presidential race.

Putin says his feelings towards the Georgian nation have always been warm, noting deep spiritual and cultural ties. Putin says that there are problems, and it is not Russia who started the 2008 conflict, which everyone has recognized. Putin believes that a visa free regime between Russia and Georgia could be worked out, which would create conditions for a full-fledged normalization of bilateral relations.



* - On Cossack patrols -

09:30 GMT: Putin says Cossack patrols are part of the Russian identity and are not archaic. Putin said in Soviet times there were milita units who were patrolling the streets and it is normal. He says that at times the Cossacks work much more efficiently than the police because they represent the majority of the people who live in their regions. He notes, however, that abuses can happen and the Cossack patrols must work within the framework of the law.



* - On Russian protests

09:20 GMT: Putin says that it is up to the courts to decide what kinds of violations were committed and who committed them. If people organized mass unrest which resulted in security forces being attacked, it would be dangerous for society to let this stand without punishment. Otherwise, people will be left to protect themselves, as there would be no one else to protect them. Putin says that in this light, the amnesty bill recently passed will not apply to those who committed violence against security forces or had been convicted of violent crimes.


The number of protesters the amnesty applied to?

09:17 GMT: Putin is asked why the recent amnesty bill will only apply to some of the 27 people arrested during the May 6 , 2012 protest on Bolotnaya Square. which turned violent.



* - On local elections -

09:07 GMT: Putin says that mayors should be elected, but those who lead municipal governments should be known to the people.



* - On Russian / Ukrainian economic ties -

Putin says that it is not just their fraternal relationship, but the interwoven nature of their economies which keeps Russian and Ukrainian ties close.


* - On Russian financial sector -

08:31 GMT: Putin says that eliminating unreliable players in the financial service is a means of safeguarding the economy.


* - On using gas to pressure Ukraine -

08:23 GMT: Putin also says that the Russian energy Giant Gazprom has twice agreed to sign documents allowing for Ukraine to postpone payments for gas in returning to his previous point that Russia is not trying to use gas as a means of pressuring Ukraine.


These are just some of the statements made by Putin over the last year. I cited them because the claims he has made in them have been anything but what has occurred. The second point is, while the article is from RT, the questions asked came from many other media outlets, including CNN.

At no point did any Russian media challenge / push Putin on what he stated and what the truth actually is. Like his comments on Crimea and the presence of the black sea fleet. His answer made it sound like no treaty / international law was broken. In reality the treaty / international law was broken because contrary to what Putin claimed, the actions of Russian military in Crimea are not even remotely close to be a part of the treaty. No reporters called him out on it. Just as there was no follow up when Putin kept lying by stating the troops in Crimea were not Russian.

RT carries a story where Putin admits the soldiers were in fact Russian (the ones with no insignias). Not one Russian media outlet took Putin to task for lying the first go around, and no one has questioned him on the recent Russian actions in Ukraine.

Those outlets that do not tow the party line have been shut down or personnel replaced with Kremlin allies.

So while I understand your post and point, I think History is being ignored. I think people are too willing to take Putin at his word when their is ample evidence to suggest Putin's claims should be followed up and he should be called out when he is caught lying.

Putin says he does not want to reconstitute the Old Soviet Union, however his actions thus far supports the opposite.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 05:49 AM
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Putin is a hypocrite and liar and the sooner the Russian people come to that conclusi9on and elect a President who represents their interests and not that of the former Soviet Union and a nostalgia for the time period when the Soviet Union collapsed the better off the world will be.


Obama is a hypocrite and a liar and the sooner the American people come to that conclusion and elect a president who represents their interests and not that of the corporations and global elitists and drop the absurd idea that they are somehow exceptional the better off the world will be.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 05:50 AM
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This is baseless fear mongering. Russia is not indicating any desire to reclaim former soviet territory, it is simply making it easier for ethnic Russians to regain Russian citizenship, so they can live an work in their homeland without having to apply for a visa and be subject to restrictions.


Are you saying that Putin has not made Crimea a part of Russia again? That certainly looks like he is reclaiming Soviet territory.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: midicon
Obama is a hypocrite and a liar and the sooner the American people come to that conclusion and elect a president who represents their interests and not that of the corporations and global elitists and drop the absurd idea that they are somehow exceptional the better off the world will be.


I cant stand Obama so the sooner he goes the better off we will be.

However, your obfuscation does not address my comment or the thread topic.

Got any feelings on that issue?



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 06:40 AM
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I have no doubt Putin is also a hypocrite and a liar. There was no obfuscation, just pointing out the pot and kettle thing. In reality I also have no doubt this crisis has been driven by the USA's global expansion plan and all that goes with it.

Russia is being pushed into a corner and the actions they have taken are understandable. Of course they will also use this crisis to further their own goals and agenda, it is natural. I wouldn't want to live in Russia but I wouldn't want to live in the USA either.

Perhaps you would have Putin just roll over and take it. Who is casting stones at Putin and calling for sanctions?
Who is calling for sanctions on the USA? No one of course...they must be the good guys...how many dead this decade? The USA should keep it's mouth shut on world affairs...they are a disgrace. My country is no better, we are the lap dogs of America.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 07:03 AM
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I have no doubt Putin is also a hypocrite and a liar. There was no obfuscation, just pointing out the pot and kettle thing. In reality I also have no doubt this crisis has been driven by the USA's global expansion plan and all that goes with it.


The United States has not annexed foreign territory as Russia is currently doing in over a hundred years. In fact, America's pattern of late has been to topple unfriendly governments and leave chaos behind as they withdraw. Putin, on the other hand, has been creating chaos to cover his imperialist moves.


Russia is being pushed into a corner and the actions they have taken are understandable. Of course they will also use this crisis to further their own goals and agenda, it is natural. I wouldn't want to live in Russia but I wouldn't want to live in the USA either.


In what way was Russia being pushed into a corner? It was allowed to join the G7, was trusted to deliver American astronauts to orbit, engaged in joint military maneuvers with western nations... until it invaded a neighboring state.

All this is completely off topic, of course. This thread is about Putin controlling all the media in Russia. President Obama, Prime Minister Cameron, Chancellor Merkel and most other western leaders do not control the media in their countries. Citizens have access to information which may call those leaders' actions, policies and personalities into question. The Russian people have been robbed of that ability, which is considered a right in truly civilized nations.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 07:22 AM
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The United States has not annexed foreign territory as Russia is currently doing in over a hundred years. In fact, America's pattern of late has been to topple unfriendly governments and leave chaos behind as they withdraw. Putin, on the other hand, has been creating chaos to cover his imperialist moves.


America doesn't have to annexe anything. We all know America's pattern of late...that was their intention in Ukraine...but that's okay. And let's forget all about the countries destroyed by them...and all the dead. Putin on the other hand, why he's the very devil...it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Putin creating chaos...his chaos is but a drop in an ocean of chaos created by the USA. If I was Putin I would have annexed Crimea too.

If Putin has restricted press freedom in Russia then we are to blame...we created the conflict. Never waste a good crisis is the political mantra.









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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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I can see your points and you make some good ones without a doubt. But to be honest CNN is as trustworthy as The Mirror as far as I'm concerned. They spin the government propaganda just like Fox and MSNBC. I could go on about why there is so much discord about Ukraine and Crimea but that is really going off topic and we need to better stay on it,which is about the censorship of the media in Russia.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 07:53 AM
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If Putin has restricted press freedom in Russia then we are to blame...we created the conflict. Never waste a good crisis is the political mantra.


Putin's control of the media pre-dated the situation in Ukraine by years. His rise to power left a trail of dead journalists in its wake. It has long been clear that not parroting Putin's propaganda can be hazardous to your health.



posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 08:08 AM
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Again fair points however I dont think the comparison is valid based on the topic.

Western media tows the party line and in the process, are checked and called out by media who doesn't share the party view. Secondly those media outlets that have been "screwed" by political party, certain politicians, etc are free to take that politician to task and call them out.

While, imo, MSNBC and CNN go easy on and report favorably on what Obama has been up to, Foxnews and some other outlets have not.

While some media interviewers give Obama softball questions, other media outlets have not. When Obama stated you could keep your health plans, he got called out for lying.

In comparison, you do not see that in the Russian media. As an example look at the number of reasons Putin has given to justify his invasion of Ukraine. If you look at Russian media reporting on it, they ignore the fact that they are constantly reporting on the same issue while using different sets of facts / spin to portray the Russian government position.

That is dangerous imo.

The Kremlin's grip on media and what is reported and the manner its reported would make Joseph Goebbels proud. There is no way to counter Russian media inside Russia.

A person has to ask the question - Why does the government of Russia need this type of absolute control over their media? What exactly is Russian media reporting and why? To control media in the manner we are seeing in Russia opens a floodgate of possibilities, with pretty much all possibilities leading into a very bad direction. The last time we saw Russian media controlled in this manner was at the height of the Soviet Union.

Control of media in this manner while engaging in a war in Ukraine begs the question of what is Putin hiding. If the Russian government is "right" in every situation thus far, there is no need to control the media is there?

Media is suppose to be adversarial in order to do its job. When media is controlled in the manner it is in Russia, its not media - Its a court stenographer.
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